how do I *stay* in Japan??

by **ibiza** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:24 pm

I just got back from Japan. I was there for a year, going to school in Koriyama, fukushima-ken.

Pretty much, my entire trip was planned and executed for me. I didn't have to worry about visa's, alien registration cards or any of that stuff. My school took care of everything.

Well, I plan on moving to Tokyo in 3 or 4 years, and spending the rest of my life there. My question is, how do get a aquire a visa that allows me to stay there indefinitely?

I've been doing a lot of research online, and the only working visas that I'm seeing allow for a 1 to 3 year stay. Is it possible to just renew these every three years?

The thing is, I read somewhere that they have to review your employer and make sure that you bringing in a reasonable income. Well, I run my own business, which I plan on taking to Japan with me. So I don't know how that will work.

Anyways, is there a way for a US citizen to move to Japan, and live there for an indefinite period of time?

Thanks!

*just a note, I won't be marring a japanese women any time soon

by **AssKissinger** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:34 pm

Well, I run my own business, which I plan on taking to Japan with me

Be careful you don't wanna end-up like this guy. Nick Baker

He was arrested at Tokyo's Narita Airport when ecstasy pills and cocaine were found in the false bottom of a suitcase.

by **GomiGirl** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:34 pm

3-4 years is a long way away.. hard to make comments on the future as things have changed so much and will continue to change.

by **ibiza** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:00 pm

GomiGirl wrote:3-4 years is a long way away.. hard to make comments on the future as things have changed so much and will continue to change.

Hard to make comments based on MY future? or the future of the immigration process in Japan?

I understand that anything oculd change at anytime. But as for right now, what does the process entail?

Be careful you don't wanna end-up like this guy. Nick Baker

bah...I guess I need to find a new line of work. :doh:

by **NeoNecroNomiCron** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:54 pm

&quot wrote:
Be careful you don't wanna end-up like this guy. Nick Baker
He was arrested at Tokyo's Narita Airport when ecstasy pills and cocaine were found in the false bottom of a suitcase.

I thought he was an accountant ... " its not my case its my friends" His friend in is the lucrative business baker is just a cheap courier ha

by **GargoyleTS** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:25 pm

http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/index.html

There ya go. Straight(ish) from the gov't of J-land, all the visa info on one convenient page. If you need something is unclear, or you require further explanation/want to get started now, at the bottom of the page is a listing of Japanese embassies world-wide with phone numbers and addresses.

Looking at it though, getting hitched is the best option. May your marriage be a happy one!

by **Caustic Saint** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:09 pm

GargoyleTS wrote:Looking at it though, getting hitched is the best option. May your marriage be a happy one!

Hmmmm. But what are the odds of finding a J-wife who doesn't want kids?

by **AssKissinger** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:32 pm

Caustic Saint wrote:
GargoyleTS wrote:Looking at it though, getting hitched is the best option. May your marriage be a happy one!

Hmmmm. But what are the odds of finding a J-wife who doesn't want kids?

If I can do it anyone can. I like this quote from Pongi off another thread

I can't stand kids

Ha ha ha. That's one thing that never fails to piss people off, saying you can't stand kids. I used to say that but now it's more case-by-case. I think kids are just like adults; some are great, some are ok and some need their goddamned heads kicked in. Anyway, that's in the Bible and I quoted that verbatim.

by **maraboutslim** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 12:55 pm

I've got a slightly different view: I can't stand other people's kids.

When I was in Tokyo I had a working visa, then a few tourist visas, then the spouse visa. But I knew people who were there for 10 years, rented apartments (somehow) and yet never had more than the 90 day tourist visas. Every three months they'd spend a weekend in hong kong, seoul, taiwan, whereever and come back.

Is this still possible?

by **Taro Toporific** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:24 pm

maraboutslim wrote:... But I knew people who were there for 10 years, rented apartments (somehow) and yet never had more than the 90 day tourist visas. Every three months they'd spend a weekend in hong kong, seoul, taiwan, whereever and come back.

Is this still possible?

It seems possible for real journalists, especially those paid/based out of Hong Kong. Most big news bureaus have shut down in Tokyo and moved off-shore but their reporters remain here for years on 90 day visas. The Foreign Ministry has full knowledge of this and looks the other way.

On the other hand, English teachers doing "private lessons" have being thrown out after the 3rd or 4th renewal of a 90-day visa. This was not the case years ago.

Bottom Line: Case-by-case, arrrrrrg. :evil:

by **maraboutslim** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:27 am

Ah yes. The infamous "case by case". How can I have forgotten so soon! Thanks Taro.

by **hanasims** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:16 am

On the other hand, English teachers doing "private lessons" have being thrown out after the 3rd or 4th renewal of a 90-day visa. This was not the case years ago.

Taro, do English teachers get kicked out of Japan because they are doing private English lessons, or because they do not have a full time job that will supply them a Visa?

by **Steve Bildermann** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:21 am

by **hanasims** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:06 pm

The "management" of foreigners in Japan, by the Japanese government takes some getting used to I assume. I am on my way to Japan in Dec. and I can't wait to get first hand experience on what it is like being in Japan. It must be hard not to feel superior to that way of thought. I think of it as "there must be a reason why they want to make sure I don't think I belong here". If you consider yourself someone else's equal, you are willing to compete against them. If you consider yourself inferior, you try to tie their hands, so they cannot compete against you. To be afraid of change is to be afraid of competition.

by **Video-Link Japan** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:12 pm

hanasims wrote:The "management" of foreigners in Japan, by the Japanese government takes some getting used to I assume. I am on my way to Japan in Dec. and I can't wait to get first hand experience on what it is like being in Japan. It must be hard not to feel superior to that way of thought. I think of it as "there must be a reason why they want to make sure I don't think I belong here". If you consider yourself someone else's equal, you are willing to compete against them. If you consider yourself inferior, you try to tie their hands, so they cannot compete against you. To be afraid of change is to be afraid of competition.

I wonder how Arabs going to the U.S. are 'managed' these days..?!?
Equal - Inferior has little to do with it, gate-keepers hold all the keys.

Maybe a little like apple vs. oranges to compare..
but then they are both round fruits found growing on trees..!!!

by **devicenull** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:56 pm

easy...

bring ALOT of drugs and weapons into the country, then attack the customs officer. you not only will get to stay in japan... you will get to stay in japan for FREE... and you will get to meet many interesting people.

by **jim katta** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:08 pm

Steve said,

Start from the basic premise that Japan does not like and does not in any way encourage non-Japanese to settle here.

This is without question the best advice posted here so far. Truly get what Steve said into your head. Chant it over and over like a mantra. Learn it on an instinctive level. After that, then you will have the right attitude for staying long term in japan. There are many ways to stay, but there is no one sure fire, lock solid, trump tight way to permanently stay forever and ever Amen.

Well, that is, unless you decide to, jihad like, devote your entire existence to learning even the most obscure kanji, become super fluent in speaking casual/pedestrian/business/honorific japanese, and acquire the stamina fortified superpowers to eventually pass the japanese citizenship test. That is, AFTER you've married a japanese person first. But if you truly are on a long term stay in japan jihad, then you'll mostly likely be uninterested in marrying anything 'but' a japanese person. In fact, if you intend on staying long term, and don't immediately marry a japanese person within your first six months there, well, I have to question your committment.

Basically, you must SUBMIT. Then, beg to SUBMIT. Then, continuously thank all around you for being allowed to SUBMIT. Then apologize profusely at every opportunity for having SUBMITTED and soiling the land with your filthy gaijin ass. All this SUBMITTING must be done resolutely with a smile, otherwise, it's all null and void.

Okay, I'm laying it on rather thick.

But actually, in a way, I'm really not. :bukkake:

by **GuyJean** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:58 pm

devicenull wrote:easy...

bring ALOT of drugs and weapons into the country, then attack the customs officer. you not only will get to stay in japan... you will get to stay in japan for FREE... and you will get to meet many interesting people.

Don't forget to bath in sticky green bud and shove coke up your ass.. :lol:

GJ

by **devicenull** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:35 am

GuyJean wrote:
devicenull wrote:easy...

bring ALOT of drugs and weapons into the country, then attack the customs officer. you not only will get to stay in japan... you will get to stay in japan for FREE... and you will get to meet many interesting people.

Don't forget to bath in sticky green bud and shove coke up your ass..

GJ

i'm waaaay ahead of ya

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how do I stay in Japan??

how do I stay in Japan??

Case-by-case, arrrrrrg

Re: Case-by-case, arrrrrrg

Thanks Steve

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