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Indirect imports

Postby Russell » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:57 pm

Anyone experience with this?

Buying from US web sites via resellers

From cheap computers to half-price clothes and huge savings on cameras, we’re forever hearing how much less goods cost across the Atlantic.

Yet while few of us can afford to jet off to America for a Christmas shopping spree, there is a way to access those bargains and save huge sums — all from the comfort of your sofa.

For although online shopping overseas sounds daunting — and is not as simple as just redirecting yourself to U.S. websites — with a few nifty tricks you could save yourself thousands of pounds, especially on big-ticket electronic items. And that’s even when adding postage and tax costs.

Take a digital SLR camera, for example. One of the best and most popular on the market now is the Canon EOS 5D Mark III, which on the British version of Amazon costs a whopping £4,499 new, plus £6.15 postage.

But find yourself on the American site of Amazon and you can pick it up for £2,369 — nearly half the price. Even when you’ve added on taxes, shipping and duty — upping the total to £3,009.70 — you still pay £1,495.45 less.

Elsewhere, an Apple iPad Air 2 64GB from the U.S., with taxes and postage added, would cost £444.98 from Walmart.com, compared with £479 from Apple.com in the UK.

You can end up with a J. Crew cardigan and Levi’s jeans for half price.

Such are the savings — and the ever-easier buying process — more people are shopping and shipping abroad. And there is still time to order and receive goods in time for Christmas Day.

‘With online retail we’re seeing geographical boundaries breaking down,’ says Chris Morton, founder of fashion aggregation site Lyst.com.

‘It’s getting easier for the customer to ship things over, and cheaper, too — especially if you’re interested in designer brands like Ralph Lauren or Michael Kors or J.Crew. Those clothes items are often on sale for the same figure in dollars as in British pounds, making them around 50 per cent cheaper in the States.’

That is why most international companies make it difficult to shop from their U.S sites and automatically redirect visitors from the UK to a website specifically for the British market.

But there are ways round this. For some, such as Amazon.co.uk, it’s as simple as changing the ending of the web address to Amazon.com on the address bar. For others, such as Apple, the more complex web address will include the letters ‘en’, as in ‘England’ — try changing that to ‘US’ and you may find yourself on the American site.

In most cases though, it’s a question of looking at the top and bottom of the homepage for a tiny Union Jack flag or the words ‘United Kingdom’. Near these should be the option to change your territory to ‘United States’ or to click on an American flag.

Once you have found the correct site and currency, remember that operations abroad do not always work the same as in the UK. When calculating prices you should remember that in many states, sales tax is added at the checkout rather than marked on the selling price.

‘Even if you’re buying through an eBay seller that looks great, you’re often still going to have to pay duty, so be careful buying abroad unless the pricing is absolutely transparent,’ says consumer expert Sarah Willingham, who works with the Government’s online safety campaign Cyber Streetwise.

For goods sold within the U.S. tax varies from state to state and is generally calculated after you’ve added your delivery address, because it usually depends on which state the item is being delivered to. The highest is 9.4 per cent in Tennessee, while shipping to Oregon or Washington carries no sales tax at all.

While delivering direct to the UK might seem a better option, many U.S. companies will deliver only to a U.S. address and insist you use an American credit card.

But you can get around this by using a shopping and shipping site, which will handle the transaction and delivery on your behalf — then send the goods to the UK. This is when the U.S. state taxes become important.

One reputable service is MyUS.com, which is free to subscribe to after a $10 (£6) joining fee and gives you what is effectively a PO Box for your deliveries. This is in Florida, meaning a middle-ground 6 per cent sales tax.

It also provides a ‘personal shopper’ service, which can place orders on your behalf to avoid the need for an American credit card.

It will also check orders when they arrive to make sure they are undamaged, sort out the tax and UK customs payments, and deal with any paperwork, such as that needed to transport hazardous materials, which include the lithium batteries in laptops or flammable products such as nail polish.

It then puts your packages into one parcel to send to you, potentially saving hundreds of pounds on shipping packages individually.

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If you have goods delivered to the UK you must also pay duty and import VAT on anything over £135. While this can be quite complicated and differs depending on the type of item and price range, services such as MyUS will work the charges out and some sites, such as Saks Fifth Avenue, calculate it at the checkout.

For example, on a Michael Kors handbag with a U.S. price of £142.57 (MichaelKors.com), sales tax at 6 per cent is around £8.55, shipping is £35.08, duty is 4 per cent, so £5.70, and import VAT is 20 per cent, around £28.51 — all told about £220, compared with £285 in the UK.

Further details of the duty on different items can be found at customs.hmrc.gov.uk.

Just remember to check these factors first, or you could pay more despite lower prices. The UK price for the 11in 256GB MacBook Air is £899, compared with £699.50 from the Apple store in the U.S.. Yet by the time you’ve added sales tax, shipping and UK duty, the actual cost is £925.30 — £26.30 more.

The only way round this is to wait for a sale or try a discount dealer such as Best Buy, which has MacBooks for $100 less.

And not all items will have guarantees. Apple has an international warranty on many products but not on iPhones, because they are bought with a service provider. The same applies to cellular iPads, which are not likely to be covered, while wifi iPads are.

You can get refunds, but this can be complicated and expensive. As services such as MyUS.com check products for damage, you can send products back before they leave the U.S., however.

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Re: Indirect imports

Postby Grumpy Gramps » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:26 am

I have used Expat Express several times in the past, tha last time being some years back though, so no actual experience. But the goods that I bought through them arrived with no problem at all. For instance electronics that Amazon.com or other dealers would not ship to Japan and even a bicycle trailer came right through via that service.

Never tried returns or other more complicated operations, so no experience with that.
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Re: Indirect imports

Postby Coligny » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:33 am

Grumpy Gramps wrote:I have used Expat Express several times in the past, tha last time being some years back though, so no actual experience. But the goods that I bought through them arrived with no problem at all. For instance electronics that Amazon.com or other dealers would not ship to Japan and even a bicycle trailer came right through via that service.

Never tried returns or other more complicated operations, so no experience with that.



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Re: Indirect imports

Postby Wibble » Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:01 am

Russell wrote:Anyone experience with this?



I've used myus.com a few times - only as a consolidator/reshipper, never the personal shopper service and I've not had any real problems. The pricing is ok and if you buy a few things can be cheaper than direct shipping with companies that offer it: since Amazon.com put their global shipping prices up a few years ago, myus has been cheaper for larger items/multiple things. Especially good value for bulky items as their volumetric weight calculation is more generous than other reshippers when I last looked (at the moment even cheaper as they've removed the dimensional weight and only ship on real weight). Their fee seems to be built into the shipping price, so lighter packages end up far too expensive. Membership is free plus 20% off shipping if you sign up with an Amex card, but there's probably others offer about. They repack items together to reduce shipping costs and that has been done well in my experience. Each time they have shipped the same day after instructing them.

The downsides:
They are based in Florida, so some stuff from the other coast takes a while to ground ship to them before they send it out. Longer than it then takes to come to Japan.
More recently they have been stricter in declaring the value; you need to send documents if the price isn't on the packing sheet (they send you scans of these) and if your declared value is significantly different to their estimate. They use FedEx or DHL, whose customs agents often open packages for customs inspection and charge a handling fee as well as the duty/tax (they always collect the tax, however small and however much is costs them to keep sending letters about it). These couriers, in Tokyo at least, sometimes deliver items themselves and have stupidly inconvenient delivery windows.
All the review threads I've seen on online fora about shipping consolidators are riddled with blatant shill reviews and most articles out there appear to be adverts disguised as journalism. Myus is no exception to these practices, so it's hard to find genuine information out there. I was worried the first time I used them, but it has worked out ok so far. I've not tried other companies and never had to do returns via this.
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Re: Indirect imports

Postby Grumpy Gramps » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:54 pm

Ah, shipping/handling fees. I don't remember them as being cheap, but since a dealer has tried to charge me with more than 30 USD shipping fees for a pack of 6$ guitar strings a few weeks ago, which I then decided not to buy, I might consider trying one of these agents again.
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Re: Indirect imports

Postby kurogane » Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:07 pm

A 65 string geetar!???????? That must Jimmy Page's 12 string to shame.

Do you think that was developed in the 6 fingers part of Appalachia?

I always used Mom's Parcel Service to get my big shoes, but these services sound like they could be a good option, assuming Japanese Customs is not in one of their Luxury Tax moods. The Luxury Tax is incredibly complicated and wide ranging, so do your homework first. I once got walloped with something like 125% duty on a pair of size 29.5 leather work shoes. They refunded it when I appealed on grounds that necessities aren't luxuries but it took a trip to the Osaka Customs office, which is a major half day trip.
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Re: Indirect imports

Postby Grumpy Gramps » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:29 pm

kurogane wrote:A 65 string geetar!???????? That must Jimmy Page's 12 string to shame.

"John Pearse 310NM", 6 simple strings that cost USD 6.49 across the puddle, but are slightly steeply priced at Amazon's, even considering the free shipping :lol:
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Re: Indirect imports

Postby Russell » Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:38 pm

kurogane wrote:A 65 string geetar!???????? That must Jimmy Page's 12 string to shame.

Do you think that was developed in the 6 fingers part of Appalachia?

I always used Mom's Parcel Service to get my big shoes, but these services sound like they could be a good option, assuming Japanese Customs is not in one of their Luxury Tax moods. The Luxury Tax is incredibly complicated and wide ranging, so do your homework first. I once got walloped with something like 125% duty on a pair of size 29.5 leather work shoes. They refunded it when I appealed on grounds that necessities aren't luxuries but it took a trip to the Osaka Customs office, which is a major half day trip.

Is there any rule they follow to establish whether imported goods are subject to duties?

And what kind of tax is this exactly, and when does it apply?
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Re: Indirect imports

Postby kurogane » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:00 pm

In short, and in my experience the answer to both those questions are Yes.

The answer to the what, when and why are much, much murkier. As with most things Official it seems to be very much hit and miss. Keeping in mind the last shipment was probably 7 years ago, virtually any leather good can be subject to this anachronistic Luxury Tax, as were several pairs of shoes over the course of 15 or so years. All but the first pair were then exempted and the duty and tax refunded on appeal, but I do think it had something to do with sympathy or pity and The Personal Touch. Also, I had to travel all the way across Osaka to the harbourfront office to do it.

I can't offer much more information than that. :oops:
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Postby Grumpy Gramps » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:55 pm

Tariff, though there is always that TIJ-factor to factor in...
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Postby Coligny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:07 am

Grumpy Gramps wrote:Tariff, though there is always that TIJ-factor to factor in...


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Re: Indirect imports

Postby wagyl » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:09 am

Well at least foreign nuclear reactors are free from tariff.
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Postby Coligny » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:25 am

Grumpy Gramps wrote:Tariff, though there is always that TIJ-factor to factor in...


Also, tariff are not the vat (is it ?)... And on my side of the shaky rock, they really don't give a flying fuck aboot it. Unless it's a fedex delivery, who is more than happy to colkect and pocket it, as well as some other really a creative as imaginary processing fees.

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Re: Indirect imports

Postby inflames » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:04 pm

The leather goods duty.... christ I hate that. 4,000 yen for leather shoes or a belt (Amazon seems to extend it to all shoes, not just leather).

Gift wrapping is a friend.... customs has always let things slide when they're wrapped up.
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Postby kurogane » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:07 pm

I think that's the one I mentioned above. I also seem to remember something actually called a Luxury Tax (Zeitaku zei???) on top of that, but I don't remember the exact term. I had to look it up at the time. Apparently it's a leftover from the postwar days they've never bothered to repeal. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

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