12 dead in Paris shooting

[Coligny]

Ok, it's not over, Hayat Boumedienne escapped and is armed. Considered dangerous.

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Shoot or shoot. Then call municipal street sweepers.

All the male perpetrators met in prison...

She's kind of cute. Her bikini pic is unfortunately low resolution.

Queutar...

You know se got at least 15 brothers and cousins ready to turn you into a pulp if you look at her sideway with yer pork eating infidel eyes...

[Wage Slave]

[Wage Slave]

Every time an extremist who is Muslim commits an act of terrorism, people ask where the moderate Muslim voices condemning violence are. (Interestingly, as a Jew, I don’t usually get asked to condemn extremism when it is perpetuated by Jewish fundamentalists like Baruch Goldstein, who shot 29 praying Muslims do death, and injured 125, at the Cave of the Patriarchs, or Yigal Amir, who killed Israeli Prime MinisterYitzhak Rabin.) And the same thing is happening following this week’s deplorable, pathetic, and tragic killing of 12 people at the offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo.

Not surprisingly, much of the “where is the Muslim outrage” outrage is coming from… Fox News, as Media Matters notes. Fox’s own Monica Crowley, for example, said that Muslims “should be condemning” the attack and that she hadn’t “heard any condemnation… from any groups.” Fox News’ America’s Newsroom guest Steve Emerson complained, “you don’t see denunciations of radical Islam, by name, by mainstream Islamic groups.” Bob Beckel, a host of Fox News’ The Five host said Muslims were “being quiet” about the shooting and accused the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) of keeping “their mouth shut when things happen.”

To be fair, it’s not all Fox News. Here’s CNN’s Don “why didn’t you just bite Bill Cosby’s penis” Lemon asking Arsalan Iftikhar, a Human Rights attorney and the founder of The Muslim Guy website, “Do you support ISIS?” on Wednesday.

So, allow me to do some of the legwork for the media… And present examples of Muslim outrage about the Paris shooting.

Let’s start with organizations, like CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which has, according to Fox, kept its mouth shut. Somehow they managed to get out this statement.

1. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations:

We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures. The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.

We offer sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed or injured in this attack. We also call for the swift apprehension of the perpetrators, who should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Read the other 45 here. Not sure how many count as "major Islamic leaders" but anyway ...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/46-examples-of-muslim-outrage-about-paris-shooting-that-fox-news-cant-seem-to-find/

[Wage Slave]

And then there's this..

Islamic extremists following a ‘takfiri’ ideology are more offensive to the Prophet Mohammed than Western satirical cartoons, chief of the Lebanese military faction Hezbollah, Hasan Nasrallah, said following the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack.

"The behavior of the takfiri groups that claim to follow Islam have distorted Islam, the Koran and the Muslim nation more than Islam’s enemies ... who insulted the prophet in films... or drew cartoons of the prophet," the Hezbollah leader said in a televised speech to mark the birthday of the Prophet Mohammed, according to Lebanon’s Daily Star.

Seems to me that it's ISIS and Al Qaeda out on limb. The other billion and a half Muslims aren't on side.

http://rt.com/news/221343-hezbollah-nasrallah-charlie-offends/

[kurogane]

Yeah, this is very heartening. Maybe Islam really is a religion of peace. And death to those who say otherwise!!!!!!!!

I noticed that a couple of the live wires in the UK and Australia condoned and/or celebrated the attacks, but this is quite a sea change from 9/11, etc. etc. It would be nice if the 2 I mentioned above were assasinated or at least beaten into Abu Hamza condition, but that probaby won't help.

BTW, I found that cartoon poignant but a touch pathetic in its Let's Stay Positive/ We're all Winners bravado. Or is that rifle barrel bent from overheating after shooting so many innocent people? This was an attack by Mohammedans acting as Mohammedans. The fact that they were crazy ones doesn't alter the fact that they shot people for breaking rules they know the victims rejected, and I read a few comments from Mohammedan dervishes noting that there might need to be an agreement about respecting their religious strictures in order to prevent this sort of tragedy.............which shows that for all their passing decency they still think like filthy barbarians. You do know why Sicilians are dark skinned, doncha!?

Besides, without towelheads to bash, who's left? Dolphin hunters!!???? Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

PS I'll try and find the 2 nutbars. I thin the British guy was a Choudry or some such. I sure wish we could come up with a standard romanised system for demz.

Got the British one:
[url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anjem-choudary-paris-shooting-muslims-do-not-believe-concept-freedom-expression-1482438
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The other guy is a coverted Asstralian.

While this should no doubt be a good sharp nail in both their coffins, it will also attract new nutters.

How come none of the good guys go apepoo and dust these sorts?

[Samurai_Jerk]

And then there's this..

Islamic extremists following a ‘takfiri’ ideology are more offensive to the Prophet Mohammed than Western satirical cartoons, chief of the Lebanese military faction Hezbollah, Hasan Nasrallah, said following the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack.

"The behavior of the takfiri groups that claim to follow Islam have distorted Islam, the Koran and the Muslim nation more than Islam’s enemies ... who insulted the prophet in films... or drew cartoons of the prophet," the Hezbollah leader said in a televised speech to mark the birthday of the Prophet Mohammed, according to Lebanon’s Daily Star.

Seems to me that it's ISIS and Al Qaeda out on limb. The other billion and a half Muslims aren't on side.

http://rt.com/news/221343-hezbollah-nasrallah-charlie-offends/

Of course he condemns them. Hezbollah is Shiite. If he really wants to do something about Islamic extremism, he should suicide bomb their next get together.

[Yokohammer]

Perhaps this incident is the one that will spur the disparate voices of True Islam to come together and speak as one. I certainly hope so. But the "Examples of Muslim Outrage" article that Wage Slave posted doesn't quite convince me (and not only because close to half of the 46 examples posted are nothing more than tweets by individuals). Making statements right after the event is fine, but that outrage has to be continued and repeated again and again until it becomes louder and more established than the bile the terrorists are spewing, so that it becomes abundantly clear to Average Joe and Jane of any or no religious persuasion that the extremists are selling a grossly perverted self serving ideology that has little or nothing to do with Islam (whether Fox News says so or not). The broader worldwide support earned by that little tactic would be a huge advantage. I think that's what people mean when they wonder where the heck True Islam is when things like this happen.

But this time the reaction seems to be a little more widespread and pointed than usual. That is very encouraging. I hope it lasts.

[kurogane]

As I understand it, and as SJ noted, the internal diversity of Islam is greater than any differences between Islamic doctrine and say, Judaism or Christianity. It's sort of like the genetic difference within any given race being greater than between the races. Except that it's not genetic it's political, and theological for those who actually give much of a shiite about that stuff, though they are probably the type that would rather debate it until dawn rather than point a loaded weapon. From my limited understanding, the schisms are about which lineage has claim to the arbiters of the True Islam, which suggests that is not a useful idea from the get go.

But yes, heartening, and hopefully it will continue.

[Wage Slave]

Likewise, the extreme puritanism of ISIS and al Qaeda has not emanated smoothly and naturally from the cultures and religious practices of the Middle East (where it continues to be overwhelmingly rejected). In the modern era, it was originally imposed by force in the Arabian Peninsula when the House of Saud conquered the area in the early twentieth century. The Saudis have since promoted fundamentalism, often as a way of suppressing more secular forms of opposition, and have lost control of the results with disastrous consequences.

And as an American politician once memorably said, "Had we not done so The House of Saud would today be a villa on the French Riveria".

Also a cogent rebuttal of the simplistic notion that we are in a clash of civilisations here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/10/opinion/wearing-paris-attack/index.html

[wangta]

The Devil's bargain - the House of Saud propped up by the USA for oil. No amount of cover stories can get away from that fact. I used to have a copy of House of Bush, House of Saud by Craig somebody and it was a fascinating look at September 11th plus all the sleazy ties between the Bush family, others with the dictators running Saudi Arabia.

If the USA was going to invade somewhere after Sept 11 logically it should have been Saudi Arabia whose citizens flew the planes (even though some people don't believe that) and whose intelligence organisation had advance notice of what was likely to happen, Saudi Arabia the sponsor of so many terror groups in the ME and around the world, Saudi Arabia using oil money to build fundamentalist mosques in western countries, mosques that encourage and most likely fund extremism.

As for France in Algeria and Tunisia in the past - surely some real nation building efforts on France's part with injections of funds for resources, housing, education, infrastructure and support for religious groups as well as politicians that were committed to making a decent society could have meant that most Algerians and Tunisians stayed in their own countries. You cannot expect people to suddenly change their cultural habits and outlook because they arrive in a secular, first world country.

I personally don't believe the blanket argument that goes - our countries were in theirs, so they have the right to come to ours. If you are going to make that argument you have to be consistent. Italians and their descendants can have full residency rights in Austria because Italy was forced under the rule of the Austro Hungarian Empire. The descendants of the Irish who were forced by British colonial circumstances to go to Australia or wherever in the British Commonwealth can have full residency rights in the UK. Etc.

Re-build countries that were colonised and make it worthwhile for the former colonised people to have a future there. Giving people who mostly cannot compete in a different country because they lack skills even in their own the chance to be in a functioning society with opportunities in their own country is part of the answer to Musim extremism.

[kagemusha]

Perhaps this incident is the one that will spur the disparate voices of True Islam to come together and speak as one.

There is no true Islam same as there is no 'true' Christianity or 'true' Communism. There is moderate modern Islam which tries to find it's place in the modern civilized world.
This positive productive and sane Islam is very weak due to 2 big problems:

It was Stalin I think who came up with the term 'Useful Idiots' you can see one here bringing CAIR and Hizuballa condemnations as a sign of a peaceful Islam. CAIR is openly support Hammas ,an organisation who not only execute terror attacks against Israeli and recently Egyptian but also declared today the Paris terrorists as 'heroes' . Hizuballa is another organization who just in recent years has committed attacks on civilians around the globes. So to whitewash those organizations actions by what they say in English is a spit in the eye of 'sane' Islam they are losing their influence among young and easy to brainwash with radical ideas youngsters.
Basically, people without any real understanding of reality grasping at any honey words of radical fascists Muslims so the can keep bury their heads in the sand. It reminds me of a cartoon in a German paper about 10 years ago - 2 Islamist standing in a train car talking about Jihad, a German man standing next to them replying 'gesundheit'. Peaple don't talk their language, they don't share their mentality but they think that if they appease the terrorists by talking about the evil Netanyahu they will be left unharmed.

Unlike the rest of the world, the Arab/Muslim countries are falling backward into the dark age. Think about a civilization in a reverse gear. 500,000 child slaves in Egypt working the cotton, 70% of them die before the age of 16. 80,000 dead civilians in one month only in Iraq while thousands other are raped enslaved and mutilated. Everyone is the 'True Islam' and as such his enemies are the enemies of Islam itself may they be Jews, Sonna, Shiaa, Druze, Kurds, Yazids, Christians and so on - everything goes in the war against the enemies of god and everyone tries to set a new record for barbarity as a proof for his devotion.
Look at Iran in the 70's and today. All across the globe from Thailand to China,India, Bali, Middle East, Eastern Europe the Magreb and East/Central Afrika - militant Islam kills everyone else. It's never the Muslims fault, it's always the infidels or Muslims from the wrong group who are 'causing' and 'forcing' the Muslims to attack. The first casualties are moderate Muslims and by pseudo liberals apologizing for the fascists they don't have a chance.

[Russell]

Look at Iran in the 70's and today.

Yeah, look at the Iran of before 1953.

How come?

[Coligny]

Paris unity march starting now. Livestream available from france24.com

[Coligny]

The "je suis charlie" app for those who can't for the availability of the bumper sticker ribbon...

https://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/je-suis ... 41390?mt=8

Bonus point if you make it work...

[Coligny]

Exerpt from last friday editorial meeting held in Liberation's office:

one of the Charlie staff said "so, let's make this issue. What do we put in it?" to which another one answered "Dunno... what's in the news right now?" --

Still better than last wednesday's

ratatatatata....

[kagemusha]

Look at Iran in the 70's and today.

Yeah, look at the Iran of before 1953.

How come?

Maybe I miss your point but if you're talking about the American involvement in Iran it's a whole different matter. The 50's and 60's were full of the west and the communists raising puppets all over the world.
I was referring to the kind of Islam which regard education and science as a priority, accepting women much better than today and doesn't give a shit about what outsiders think of Muhammad.

[Yokohammer]

Perhaps this incident is the one that will spur the disparate voices of True Islam to come together and speak as one.

There is no true Islam same as there is no 'true' Christianity or 'true' Communism. There is moderate modern Islam which tries to find it's place in the modern civilized world. ...

Was this an honest attempt to correct what you perceived to be a misconception on my part, or were you simply appropriating part of my post to use as a launchpad for your own?

If it's the latter, no problem, go for it. But if the former, you are misconceived about my misconception.

[Russell]

Look at Iran in the 70's and today.

Yeah, look at the Iran of before 1953.

How come?

Maybe I miss your point but if you're talking about the American involvement in Iran it's a whole different matter. The 50's and 60's were full of the west and the communists raising puppets all over the world.
I was referring to the kind of Islam which regard education and science as a priority, accepting women much better than today and doesn't give a shit about what outsiders think of Muhammad.

My point is that western involvement in those geographical areas has been profoundly unhelpful in preventing the rise of militant Islam. This involvement started early on, and has been ongoing up to this day.

Iran's case is particularly clear: if there would not have been a US/UK-orchestrated coup in 1953, there would have been a democratic government rather than the Shah, and it would have been very unlikely that Khomeini would have come to power. Khomeini's rise was basically the forerunner of a more militant inflexible Islam. The rest is history.

[Russell]

Paris unity march starting now. Livestream available from france24.com

America snubs historic Paris rally: Holder was there but skipped out early, Kerry was in India, Obama and Biden just stayed home

[Samurai_Jerk]

Paris unity march starting now. Livestream available from france24.com

America snubs historic Paris rally: Holder was there but skipped out early, Kerry was in India, Obama and Biden just stayed home

That's the first thing I noticed when watching the coverage last night.

[Yokohammer]

Total lack of paragraph breaks, but interesting anyway.

In The Observer, titled "Islamist Cunts":

Congratulations Islamists of the world, you cunts just handed the Élysée Palace keys to the neo-Nazi Front National leader, Marine Le Pen, in the 2016 French presidential election. The Front National founder, Marine’s father Jean Marie, an ex butcher who fought in the French military for French colony Algeria to stay in the dominion in the 60s, once said that the Holocaust was a detail in the history of the world replete with massacres. His daughter’s platform is the new Islamophobia bible. She dreams of the day she will finally ascend to the French throne of the Fifth Republic and rid France of its Muslims who dared to invade France’s soil after it lost its colonies to independence in Northern Africa.

http://observer.com/2015/01/islamist-cunts/


And Robert Crumb, one of my heroes from the wayback machine ... (didn't know he'd been living in France for the past 25 years).

Charlie Hebdo, they print so many insulting cartoons about Muslim extremists, you know, geez, they just kept at it, you know…but that wasn’t the only people they insulted, they insulted everybody. The Pope, the President of the country, everybody! They were merciless, to everybody. It was a really funny magazine. They just didn’t hold back towards anybody. You know, they didn’t let anybody off the hook, which was good.

Legendary Cartoonist Robert Crumb on the Massacre in Paris

[legion]

Paris unity march starting now. Livestream available from france24.com

America snubs historic Paris rally: Holder was there but skipped out early, Kerry was in India, Obama and Biden just stayed home

That's the first thing I noticed when watching the coverage last night.

Worried about lack of preparation time to ensure 100% personal safety perhaps?



Above, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (center) leaves the Elysee Palace to participate in the march

[Coligny]

Security ?!
The leaders met at l'Elysee palace, went all by rental coach busses to place de la Republique and walked the way with everyone else. There seems to have been a forward 5m empty zone. To allow for camera and photographs.

I think Taylor Swift's birthday party have tighter security...

Worried about lack of preparation time to ensure 100% personal safety perhaps?

They could have sacrificed an ambassador, it's not like if they are hard to replace or anyone knew their name...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Security ?!
The leaders met at l'Elysee palace, went all by rental coach busses to place de la Republique and walked the way with everyone else. There seems to have been a forward 5m empty zone. To allow for camera and photographs.

I think Taylor Swift's birthday party have tighter security...

Worried about lack of preparation time to ensure 100% personal safety perhaps?

They could have sacrificed an ambassador, it's not like if they are hard to replace or anyone knew their name...

Read the article. The ambassador did go. Eric Holder went but left early to do some TV appearances.

[Coligny]

That what I thought at first then assumed to be wrong after not reading the article but just the outramaged title...

Because, as far as I know, Vlad P and that schoolboy who got his homework eaten by his dog (Medvedev serving as prime minister, desk ornament) sat on this one too...

[wangta]

Paris unity march starting now. Livestream available from france24.com

America snubs historic Paris rally: Holder was there but skipped out early, Kerry was in India, Obama and Biden just stayed home

Why is anybody surprised? This current American regime is the one where the President of the USA publicly begged Muslims for forgiveness and apologised for some anti Muslim video put on youtube that most of us had neither seen nor heard of and that 99.9 percent of the non Muslim world's population had absolutely jackshit to do with.

Obama then went on to link the disgraceful Bengazi tragedy in which the US Ambassador to Libya was murdered by a jihadist mob to the very same obscure video. It was a very convenient way to cover up the blatant lack of security for the Ambassador and various forms of subterfuge being engaged in by the US authorities with certain Muslim extremists in Libya. The same nice guys who plunged a sword up Gaddafi's anus and sent the pics/video around the world newspapers to show.

You really wonder why a US President who has knelt (when US President) to a Saudi Arabian Prince in very public photos and has made speeches to the UN saying there is no future for those who insult 'the Prophet Muhammed' hides his craven self in the White House and watches football games instead of travelling to Paris himself?

I don't care that he is most likely a Muslim - he wears a Muslim ring that is called a wedding ring but it is not and he was raised as a Muslim whether people like that or not. I don't mind but it has influenced moments such as his appeasing attitude towards Muslim extremism and he was not and never has been honest about his affiliation to the American people.

The French have every right to return the American 'compliment' of 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' re Obama, Biden, Holder, Kerry and the similarly useless people who run the USA at the moment. In their case it would be hamburger eating surrender monkeys.

The USA has not advanced much from the George Bush days of father and son. The Democrats have been too damaged under Obama and Jeb Bush awaits unfortunately.

[Wage Slave]

Meanwhile Fox on News ....

An American terrorism commentator has apologised for describing Birmingham as a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go in" during an interview on Fox News.

Steven Emerson told the channel that in London "Muslim religious police" beat "anyone who doesn't dress according to Muslim, religious Muslim attire".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30773297

[wangta]

Meanwhile anti Jewish comedian Dieudonne (who apparently is Muslim) posted sarcastic comments on his facebook page saying he was 'Charlie Coudelay' or whatever the name of one of the terrorists was. You can see the article if you look at www.independent.co.uk

He took it down because of the public response including reports to the police. I think that given the issue here is the right to express yourself even if it offends other people, he should have been argued with, disagreed with but not been told to take it down.

[Russell]

Meanwhile Fox on News ....

An American terrorism commentator has apologised for describing Birmingham as a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go in" during an interview on Fox News.

Steven Emerson told the channel that in London "Muslim religious police" beat "anyone who doesn't dress according to Muslim, religious Muslim attire".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30773297

I've once been on a bus in Birmingham right through those neighborhoods that are Muslim. Quite surprising a lot of people (especially males) wore those typical Muslim attires (or should I call them dresses). I really thought I was in a non-western country, but I was not harassed due to my clothes and I did not feel unsafe for one moment.

[Coligny]

Dieudonne is actually catholic with mixed cameroun/french Brittany roots.
label himself as antizioniste, not antisemite.