All Raw Beef In Restaurants Not Fit to be Eaten Raw

[matsuki]

If they try to ban basashi, I will riot.

Isn't 100% of basashi deemed fit for raw consumption? I love that stuff too but I wouldn't be too worried about it

Honestly, If I had the $$, I'd introduce buffalo meat to the Japanese market...it's right up their ally in just about every imaginable way.

[yanpa]

Beware the death pickles...

Tainted pickles kill six in Japan

At least six people have died in Japan and about 100 others have become ill after eating contaminated pickles, health officials say.

Most of the victims were elderly women in nursing homes on the island of Hokkaido, but one was a girl of four.

The local government blamed locally produced pickled Chinese cabbage which got contaminated with E. Coli bacteria.

It is believed to be the deadliest mass outbreak of food poisoning in the country for 10 years.

Pickled Chinese cabbage is a popular side-dish in Japan, and the deaths have caused shock, correspondents say.

Past cases of food poisoning have generally involved meat or seafood.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19311579

[Samurai_Jerk]

I'm not sure when it's taking effect but the Japanese government has decided to ban all raw pork dishes as well. There are a lot of unhappy shitamachi oyaji right now. I guess chicken will be next.

I know one place that got around the beef liver sashimi ban by serving it with a small hotplate that most customers choose not to use.

[matsuki]

Yuck...seeing how the emphasis is on cheap and quick when it comes to handling of the meat that's not "fit for raw consumption" and the tendency to leave things out at room temperature, I'll take mine cooked.

[kurogane]

Yes, not to even mention that it's meat that's raw. Feckin heathens, eh!???

I laughed at that raw pork one. Even Japanese peasants know you cook pork, and those guys will eat anything with legs that isn't wood and try very hard to convince you that it's all safe until it's not. I actually find their blithe stupidity refreshing, but not when it comes to food. They can even make Englishers look careful.

PS I just read the article SJ linked. Whadda bunch of maroons: Ttey started eating raw pork organs AFTER the ban on raw beef organs. I wonder if pork from Fukushima is labelled as Special Enriched Pork? What a feel good way to watch them stumble into the 20th century................................ I wonder if any biological anthropologists are studying the effect of contaminated raw meat and mercury saturation on the infamous Japanese longevity. The mercury levels should ensure some very docile old people, if nothing else.

[IparryU]

Yes, not to even mention that it's meat that's raw. Feckin heathens, eh!???

I laughed at that raw pork one. Even Japanese peasants know you cook pork, and those guys will eat anything with legs that isn't wood and try very hard to convince you that it's all safe until it's not. I actually find their blithe stupidity refreshing, but not when it comes to food. They can even make Englishers look careful.

PS I just read the article SJ linked. Whadda bunch of maroons: Ttey started eating raw pork organs AFTER the ban on raw beef organs. I wonder if pork from Fukushima is labelled as Special Enriched Pork? What a feel good way to watch them stumble into the 20th century................................ I wonder if any biological anthropologists are studying the effect of contaminated raw meat and mercury saturation on the infamous Japanese longevity. The mercury levels should ensure some very docile old people, if nothing else.

I think it is common sense not to eat meat raw... Even eating raw fish can fuck you up despite this being a sushi cuntry. But hey, its their "culture" so whatev.

[kurogane]

Yeah, you and me both. Have you ever seen those videos of people with the Sushi Worms? Blech. Mind, those are people eating badly kept raw fish 3 times a day, but still. The very idea of raw meat just makes me want to upchuck.

Raw is for vegetables and spastic Hollywood types like Woody Harrelson.

PS Just realised that Japanese hardly eat any vegetables raw. Or is my recall failing me? Cabbage, sliced carrot...........so, salad aside....... Now that is nice irony.

[IparryU]

Yeah, you and me both. Have you ever seen those videos of people with the Sushi Worms? Blech. Mind, those are people eating badly kept raw fish 3 times a day, but still. The very idea of raw meat just makes me want to upchuck.

Raw is for vegetables and spastic Hollywood types like Woody Harrelson.

PS Just realised that Japanese hardly eat any vegetables raw. Or is my recall failing me? Cabbage, sliced carrot...........so, salad aside....... Now that is nice irony.

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).
http://vimeo.com/54606626

I know that in the country side they eat vegetables raw here... I did too when I was a kid, just had to go in the back garden and pick what I wanted to munch on. But you still have to be careful for the bugs and what not that may be hidden in the produce.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I just read the article SJ linked. Whadda bunch of maroons: Ttey started eating raw pork organs AFTER the ban on raw beef organs.

The article did kind of imply that but that's not the case. Pork liver sashimi has always been around. It's just that some places specializing in beef switched to pork after the ban. These bans are fucking ridiculous. Very few people get sick from this stuff. If they want to eat it, it should be allowed. I'm not a big fan of raw pork liver but I do like chicken sashimi which I imagine they'll go after next. The fact is that raw fruits and vegetables are responsible for a large percentage of food poisoning cases but you're not going to see anyone pushing to ban those anytime soon because it doesn't gross to most people.

[kurogane]

Aaaah, the article fooled me, then. I also oppose any such bans. One of the most lovely things I have always admired about Japan was the relative lack of onerous regulations in certain areas, esp. bars and food service. They have a weird ironclad Zone of Respect for certain individual freedoms that shall not be trampled upon; personal hobbies are one of the mst obvious. As a Canucklehead I don't find Japan overly regulated anyhoos, but those surprise zones always make me smile in affectionate admiration. As an example, this new trend towards non-smoking at restaraunts and bars; it seems purely owner/operator driven, which is the way freedumb is supposed to work.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Aaaah, the article fooled me, then. I also oppose any such bans. One of the most lovely things I have always admired about Japan was the relative lack of onerous regulations in certain areas, esp. bars and food service. They have a weird ironclad Zone of Respect for certain individual freedoms that shall not be trampled upon; personal hobbies are one of the mst obvious. As a Canucklehead I don't find Japan overly regulated anyhoos, but those surprise zones always make me smile in affectionate admiration. As an example, this new trend towards non-smoking at restaraunts and bars; it seems purely owner/operator driven, which is the way freedumb is supposed to work.

I think it would be reasonable to set a lower age limit for serving raw meat. If I remember correctly, in the beef liver yukhoe case some morons had given it to their very young children who ended up dying from food poisoning. Though I guess it would be hard to enforce because parents that dumb would probably ignore the rule and feed it to their kids anyway.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).

You really are a great mix of Mexicant and white trash. That's why I love you.

[IparryU]

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).

You really are a great mix of Mexicant and white trash. That's why I love you.

You should see me when I go out to roppongi... I have yet another story to go in premium.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).

You really are a great mix of Mexicant and white trash. That's why I love you.

You should see me when I go out to roppongi... I have yet another story to go in premium.

By the way, is your white half real white? Or is it something borderline like Italian, Russian, or Irish?

[IparryU]

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).

You really are a great mix of Mexicant and white trash. That's why I love you.

You should see me when I go out to roppongi... I have yet another story to go in premium.

By the way, is your white half real white? Or is it something borderline like Italian, Russian, or Irish?

German, but they went to the Americas way before any of the WWs.

[matsuki]

Just realised that Japanese hardly eat any vegetables raw. Or is my recall failing me? Cabbage, sliced carrot...........so, salad aside....... Now that is nice irony.

It's less frowned upon by younger people and even the conbinis carry veggie sticks now.....but I've heard plenty of older Japanese talk about how during their kaigai trip, they were appalled to be served carrots and such RAW "What is this rabbit food?!" [insert nihonjionron culinary rant]

Aaaah, the article fooled me, then. I also oppose any such bans. One of the most lovely things I have always admired about Japan was the relative lack of onerous regulations in certain areas, esp. bars and food service. They have a weird ironclad Zone of Respect for certain individual freedoms that shall not be trampled upon; personal hobbies are one of the mst obvious. As a Canucklehead I don't find Japan overly regulated anyhoos, but those surprise zones always make me smile in affectionate admiration. As an example, this new trend towards non-smoking at restaraunts and bars; it seems purely owner/operator driven, which is the way freedumb is supposed to work.

I think it would be reasonable to set a lower age limit for serving raw meat. If I remember correctly, in the beef liver yukhoe case some morons had given it to their very young children who ended up dying from food poisoning. Though I guess it would be hard to enforce because parents that dumb would probably ignore the rule and feed it to their kids anyway.

I think SJ has the right of it...protect children from idiot parents but your average taro tanaka eating raw pig vagina doesn't effect me.

[Mike Oxlong]

I'm offended every time someone tries to serve soy.

“Soy started out as a legume that was rotated with other annual crops throughout Asia. Because it can fix nitrogen, soy was used as a green manure. The Chinese characters for barley, millet, rice, and wheat are pictures of the grains, because it’s the edible parts that matter. The character for soy shows the roots, because it was grown as a cover crop, not a food. Soy contains so many anti-nutrients that it isn’t edible for humans without a lot of processing, substantially more than other seeds.

First of all, soy contains trypsin inhibitors. Trypsin, you’ll remember, is a digestive enzyme produced in the pancreas. That’s why eating soy causes gas, bloating, pain, and diarrhea. Fermenting soy will deactivate most of the trypsin inhibitors. In a study of fifty Asian cultures, the people that had found a way to disable the trypsin inhibitors were the only ones that considered soy edible. Miso, which is highly fermented, entered the cuisine of Asia sometime between the second century BCE and the fourth century CE. Tofu, which is not fermented, was invented in 164 BCE., and tempeh, which is fermented, was probably developed in the 1600s. Monks took “to tofu because it helped them keep their vows of sexual abstinence: soy’s phytoestrogens lower testosterone levels, and hence their libidos. “Except in areas of famine,” writes soy expert Kaayla Daniel, “tofu was served as a condiment, consumed in small amounts, usually in fish broth, not as a main course.” The Chinese ate soy as a protein source only when they were starving— when they also ate their children.

Fish broth is a key detail in the story of soy. If you make it past the intestinal distress caused by the trypsin inhibitors, the next problem with soy is the phytates. Phytates, remember, bind with minerals in your digestive tract, making them inaccessible. Soy has such a high level of phytates that no amount of soaking or fermenting will disable them all. You can see the wisdom in serving soy with fish broth, as the broth provides a large dose of minerals to counteract the phytates.”

“Soy is also a known goitrogen. Researchers have known since the 1930s that soy can suppress and permanently damage your thyroid if you eat enough of it. Kaayla Daniel writes,

"soy proponents scoff at the notion that soy causes thyroid problems because, they say, goiter is not a problem in Asia. In fact, the New York Times has reported an epidemic of cretinism in impoverished rural areas of China where iodine deficiency is widespread and poverty forces people to eat more soy than the small quantities that are the norm…. In Japan, where soy consumption is the highest of any country in Asia, thyroid disease is widespread. After all, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, the autoimmune form of hypothyroidism, was first detected in Japan, and the prevalence there of thyroid disease has motivated Japanese researchers to undertake important studies proving the adverse effects of soy foods on the thyroid gland."

In 1980, government researchers in Britain identified soy-dependent vegans as a population at risk for thyroid disease. Since then, the British Committee on Toxicity (COT) has added to that list infants fed soy formula and adults using soy foods or soy supplements. Researchers have known since the 1950s that “soy foods cause thyroid damage, especially in infants. The insult is so strong that for some infants “hypothyroidism persists despite medication.” In a study done on healthy Japanese adults, thirty grams of soy for thirty days was enough to provoke thyroid disruptions.”

Excerpt From: Lierre Keith. “The Vegetarian Myth.” iBooks.

[matsuki]

Holy sheeeeet

[IparryU]

I'm offended every time someone tries to serve soy.

“Soy started out as a legume that was rotated with other annual crops throughout Asia. Because it can fix nitrogen, soy was used as a green manure. The Chinese characters for barley, millet, rice, and wheat are pictures of the grains, because it’s the edible parts that matter. The character for soy shows the roots, because it was grown as a cover crop, not a food. Soy contains so many anti-nutrients that it isn’t edible for humans without a lot of processing, substantially more than other seeds.

First of all, soy contains trypsin inhibitors. Trypsin, you’ll remember, is a digestive enzyme produced in the pancreas. That’s why eating soy causes gas, bloating, pain, and diarrhea. Fermenting soy will deactivate most of the trypsin inhibitors. In a study of fifty Asian cultures, the people that had found a way to disable the trypsin inhibitors were the only ones that considered soy edible. Miso, which is highly fermented, entered the cuisine of Asia sometime between the second century BCE and the fourth century CE. Tofu, which is not fermented, was invented in 164 BCE., and tempeh, which is fermented, was probably developed in the 1600s. Monks took “to tofu because it helped them keep their vows of sexual abstinence: soy’s phytoestrogens lower testosterone levels, and hence their libidos. “Except in areas of famine,” writes soy expert Kaayla Daniel, “tofu was served as a condiment, consumed in small amounts, usually in fish broth, not as a main course.” The Chinese ate soy as a protein source only when they were starving— when they also ate their children.

Fish broth is a key detail in the story of soy. If you make it past the intestinal distress caused by the trypsin inhibitors, the next problem with soy is the phytates. Phytates, remember, bind with minerals in your digestive tract, making them inaccessible. Soy has such a high level of phytates that no amount of soaking or fermenting will disable them all. You can see the wisdom in serving soy with fish broth, as the broth provides a large dose of minerals to counteract the phytates.”

“Soy is also a known goitrogen. Researchers have known since the 1930s that soy can suppress and permanently damage your thyroid if you eat enough of it. Kaayla Daniel writes,

"soy proponents scoff at the notion that soy causes thyroid problems because, they say, goiter is not a problem in Asia. In fact, the New York Times has reported an epidemic of cretinism in impoverished rural areas of China where iodine deficiency is widespread and poverty forces people to eat more soy than the small quantities that are the norm…. In Japan, where soy consumption is the highest of any country in Asia, thyroid disease is widespread. After all, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, the autoimmune form of hypothyroidism, was first detected in Japan, and the prevalence there of thyroid disease has motivated Japanese researchers to undertake important studies proving the adverse effects of soy foods on the thyroid gland."

In 1980, government researchers in Britain identified soy-dependent vegans as a population at risk for thyroid disease. Since then, the British Committee on Toxicity (COT) has added to that list infants fed soy formula and adults using soy foods or soy supplements. Researchers have known since the 1950s that “soy foods cause thyroid damage, especially in infants. The insult is so strong that for some infants “hypothyroidism persists despite medication.” In a study done on healthy Japanese adults, thirty grams of soy for thirty days was enough to provoke thyroid disruptions.”

Excerpt From: Lierre Keith. “The Vegetarian Myth.” iBooks.

Nice find, source? I would love to piss off a few vegans with this

[wagyl]

Huge quote with one line at the end

Excerpt From: Lierre Keith. “The Vegetarian Myth.” iBooks.

Nice find, source? I would love to piss off a few vegans with this

[IparryU]

Huge quote with one line at the end

Excerpt From: Lierre Keith. “The Vegetarian Myth.” iBooks.

Nice find, source? I would love to piss off a few vegans with this

well... bad choice of words... link
http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Food/The_Vegetarian_Myth.pdf

[Russell]

Yeah, you and me both. Have you ever seen those videos of people with the Sushi Worms? Blech. Mind, those are people eating badly kept raw fish 3 times a day, but still. The very idea of raw meat just makes me want to upchuck.

Raw is for vegetables and spastic Hollywood types like Woody Harrelson.

PS Just realised that Japanese hardly eat any vegetables raw. Or is my recall failing me? Cabbage, sliced carrot...........so, salad aside....... Now that is nice irony.

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).
http://vimeo.com/54606626

I know that in the country side they eat vegetables raw here... I did too when I was a kid, just had to go in the back garden and pick what I wanted to munch on. But you still have to be careful for the bugs and what not that may be hidden in the produce.

Even if you get your veggies from the supermarket, you will on average eat approximately 1 kg of bugs a year. So, better get used to it. And after all, it is meat for free...

See here and here.

[IparryU]

Yeah, you and me both. Have you ever seen those videos of people with the Sushi Worms? Blech. Mind, those are people eating badly kept raw fish 3 times a day, but still. The very idea of raw meat just makes me want to upchuck.

Raw is for vegetables and spastic Hollywood types like Woody Harrelson.

PS Just realised that Japanese hardly eat any vegetables raw. Or is my recall failing me? Cabbage, sliced carrot...........so, salad aside....... Now that is nice irony.

Raw? The best raw is Eddie Murphey Raw IMO... and I get mad heat from many people about not liking sushi (rice and raw fish comparable to a prepared dish? fuck off).
http://vimeo.com/54606626

I know that in the country side they eat vegetables raw here... I did too when I was a kid, just had to go in the back garden and pick what I wanted to munch on. But you still have to be careful for the bugs and what not that may be hidden in the produce.

Even if you get your veggies from the supermarket, you will on average eat approximately 1 kg of bugs a year. So, better get used to it. And after all, it is meat for free...

See here and here.

all good with me... free protein.

[kurogane]

Yuck. I gots a bug thing. Too much imagination, probably.

Anyways.............yes, some do eat raw veggies, but not often, and many never have, so it is rather fun that they consider raw meat and fish a normal food but many pale at the thought of carrot sticks and that nasty goblin food, raw celery sticks. While skiing I carry a bag of raw peeled celery sticks as water, and I have friends who are obviously this side of dying of thirst refuse my ingenious source of portable water. Apparently celery is bitter. And yet they cook the shiite, which is most unseemly in MYHOMO. Cooked celery is as close as I have come to knowing the texture of, well............cum. O maybe mine is just extra gloopy.

SJ,
Good point about limiting that crap to adults. Like you say, though...........dumb often wins.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Speaking of raw

[J.A.F.O]

Even if you get your veggies from the supermarket, you will on average eat approximately 1 kg of bugs a year. So, better get used to it. And after all, it is meat for free...

Not that I'm really opposed to eating bugs every now and then, but I'm about 75% carnivorous.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I cooked myself a rare steak last night and I've been spray painting the toilet since that earthquake woke me up this morning. I can't believe the amount of liquid gold I'm producing. At least I don't feel sick.

[IparryU]

I cooked myself a rare steak last night and I've been spray painting the toilet since that earthquake woke me up this morning. I can't believe the amount of liquid gold I'm producing. At least I don't feel sick.

I love my steaks really rare... like sorta cold in the middle and have had this only once at Tony Romas in Fremont, CA.

I feel your pain and wish I could have chowed out on some steak in your place, despite the consequences. Next time you feel like having a rare steak, just remember what happened to you today and donate that bloody steak to me and I will take the toilet duty for you. No steak sauce please, just a little bit of pepper and enough salt to make it look like it snowed a bit.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I cooked myself a rare steak last night and I've been spray painting the toilet since that earthquake woke me up this morning. I can't believe the amount of liquid gold I'm producing. At least I don't feel sick.

I love my steaks really rare... like sorta cold in the middle and have had this only once at Tony Romas in Fremont, CA.

I feel your pain and wish I could have chowed out on some steak in your place, despite the consequences. Next time you feel like having a rare steak, just remember what happened to you today and donate that bloody steak to me and I will take the toilet duty for you. No steak sauce please, just a little bit of pepper and enough salt to make it look like it snowed a bit.

It's my punishment for being a cheapskate and buying Aussie beef.

[IparryU]

I cooked myself a rare steak last night and I've been spray painting the toilet since that earthquake woke me up this morning. I can't believe the amount of liquid gold I'm producing. At least I don't feel sick.

I love my steaks really rare... like sorta cold in the middle and have had this only once at Tony Romas in Fremont, CA.

I feel your pain and wish I could have chowed out on some steak in your place, despite the consequences. Next time you feel like having a rare steak, just remember what happened to you today and donate that bloody steak to me and I will take the toilet duty for you. No steak sauce please, just a little bit of pepper and enough salt to make it look like it snowed a bit.

It's my punishment for being a cheapskate and buying Aussie beef.

Serves you right!

What beef do you prefer?