As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

[matsuki]

Minor offense?

....most of the Brazilians I know would have come close to murdering a doctor that said that to one of their children. That guy was obviously upset but not even close to what I imagine it could have been.

Hippocratic Oath is unheard of here. Dude doesn't need to be lynched or anything like that but some sort of financial penalty and losing his job there would seem in order. Can't imagine why the hospital chief would want to keep that type of scum around.

[Takechanpoo]

explanation about the detail from the hospital

病院は1月27日夜、書面で改めて経緯を説明した。それによると、2人の医師の判断で緊急に治療する必要がない旨の説明をした。その後、以下のような経過をたどったという。
（1）この説明に対し患者の父親は納得せず、入院希望、症状の原因特定、更には急変時の責任の所在や診断書の作成等を執拗に迫ってきた。
（2）診断書は正確を期すため、実施できる検査に限りがある夜間救急では、書かないルールとなっていることを説明するが納得しなかった。
（3）万全を期すため小児科医を呼び出し、専門医からも病状と対処について説明するも、耳を貸さず、大声で自己主張を繰り返すのみ。
自分の大声や言葉に更に興奮し、医師に食ってかかる態度を繰り返した。
（4）その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。
（5）その言葉に反応し、患者の父親は当該医師の胸ぐらをつかみ、両手で突き飛ばした。
（6）この後から患者様のご家族は、スマホとタブレット計2台で動画の撮影を始めた。
（7）これについて、当該医師は不適切な発言を反省し、謝罪した
http://www.j-cast.com/2015/01/27226360.html?p=2

google translate it yourself guys

[legion]

（4）その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。

So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?

I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),

So who do you believe?

If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.

[Coligny]

Even if the father was being an unreasonable douche bag and started it, there's no reason not to treat the daughter or help them get to a place that can if you can't. Disgusting.

Doosh or not, the medical team job is to de-escalate or defuse any situation. Yes people will be scared and irrational. If everything was fine they wouldn't be there. Still safer than dealing with an injured pet in survival mode anyway.

From what I quickly watched, it not even a noisy discussion. Don't register compared to a kid with down syndrome in full freakout outburst. (Shamelessly called the retard strength)

[Samurai_Jerk]

（4）その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。

So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?

I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),

So who do you believe?

If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.

Given the Brazilian dude's lack of Japanese ability it's very believable he didn't really understand who was saying what to who. Either way it sounds like the doctard was being an unprofessional asshole.

[matsuki]

（4）その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。

So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?

I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),

So who do you believe?

If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.

Given the Brazilian dude's lack of Japanese ability it's very believable he didn't really understand who was saying what to who. Either way it sounds like the doctard was being an unprofessional asshole.

Somehow I think "kusoshine" isn't on the SOP flowcharts

I'm still unsure that it was a racial thing as is being claimed...just seems like an arrogant as fuck asshole doctor that needs to be put in his place.

[Wage Slave]

（4）その後一人の医師が父親に対し、不適切な言葉をつぶやいた。

So the "fuck off and die" was at the father, not the daughter?

I asked him to stop and he shoved me away, looked at my daughter and said 'I wish you die'. He really looked at my 6 year old daughter Sara, and said that (Kusso Shine),

So who do you believe?

If the daughter was critically ill what was the father doing giving a lecture on medical ethics on video, shot at multiple angles? Whipping out the tablet PC to record the incident would not have been at the top of my list of priorities.

Given the Brazilian dude's lack of Japanese ability it's very believable he didn't really understand who was saying what to who. Either way it sounds like the doctard was being an unprofessional asshole.

Somehow I think "kusoshine" isn't on the SOP flowcharts

I'm still unsure that it was a racial thing as is being claimed...just seems like an arrogant as fuck asshole doctor that needs to be put in his place.

I'm not convinced about the racial angle either - it looks more like incompetence, arrogance and just godawful bad doctoring. From what the father said she was treated for a severe infection at the other hospital. That rash suggests meningococcal meningitis which can be a swift killer if not treated very promptly. On what grounds did those two doctors decide that she wasn't in need of urgent treatment? It would be interesting to know exactly what she in fact had - if it was MM then they did in fact endanger her life for want of a simple test that is drummed into parents, never mind doctors.

[Russell]

Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?

[Wage Slave]

Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?

That's what I was wondering. There is enough to justify an investigation on the grounds of clinical competency - never mind the appalling language. I honestly thought the hospital were going to say there wasn't a bed available or some such. But no, apparently one or both of the doctors decided she wasn't in need of urgent treatment and presumably told the family to take her home and to their normal doctor when s/he was available. She was then, according to the father, taken to another hospital, admitted and treated for a serious infection. That, if true, is actually more serious than the abusive language. It constitutes a danger to the public.

[matsuki]

Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?

That's what I was wondering. There is enough to justify an investigation on the grounds of clinical competency - never mind the appalling language. I honestly thought the hospital were going to say there wasn't a bed available or some such. But no, apparently one or both of the doctors decided she wasn't in need of urgent treatment and presumably told the family to take her home and to their normal doctor when s/he was available. She was then, according to the father, taken to another hospital, admitted and treated for a serious infection. That, if true, is actually more serious than the abusive language. It constitutes a danger to the public.

THIS x9999999

...but I still want to see that arrogant fucker smacked down.

[Coligny]

It would just be a brazillian victim, death if any could be blamed on the parents with the excuse of miscommunication. Next to 0 chances of the family lawyering up...
The confrontational aspect is super weird. Usually when they don't give a fuck they admit the patient to put under observation. Send the family home, and forget aboot it until the next shift who can then call the family back to pick up the corpse...

[Coligny]

Isn't there a medical board in Japan where he can file a complaint?

There is, I think Dad was chief of this for the region (reason why he half closed the clinic ages ago). But I'm pretty sure that this being Japan, they don't work on near-miss and can only get involved in case of death or grave accident.
Then chief of hospital/clinic have to go on TV to say he's sorry... The insurance pay up the minimum they can... And that's it.

-the end-

As said, no hypnocratric oath, maybe not even a code of conduct...

[matsuki]

Wait for it........teeth suck.....exhale.....shoganai

[Takechanpoo]

from the dads words
Here, she was immediately admitted with an infection, hemorrhage in her blood vessels, a virus and a very powerful bacteria. Thank God she's fine. She's been in medical care for three weeks now, and the doctors said if help came any later, she could have died.

lies.....it was nothing more than slight degree infection.
although it seems like the brazilian dad is a pastor, its a lying pastor.

edit:

三女はその後、浜松市内の病院で、小さな血管に炎症が起こる紫斑病の疑いと診断され三日間入院した。
http://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/shizu ... 00084.html

according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"


there are a lot of brazilians in west shizuoka area and part of them are gangnized or mafianized over there after Lehman shock. native ppl around there do hate them. new derogatory words are established. "ブラ公(burakou)" "ブラジ(buraji)" and also brazilian side has hostilities toward natives too. there are those piled mutual hostilities behind this incident.
i too think the jdoctor needs more strict penalty. i also think he did not use the word "kuso shine" or something if the monster patient were japanese. yeah, its a racism.


and english media in japan should inspect and cover this incident.

[wagyl]

The ill-feeling between the Brazilian community and the native community in any of the towns where the Brazilian community is large enough to be able to function independently -- and if they have pizza shops catering purely for the Brazilian community, or shopfronts purely in Portuguese, that is independent function -- has been around since way way before the Lehmann Shock. I remember being told 17 years ago by a Japanese person to lock my car doors when driving through that bit of Gunma squeezed between Tochigi and Saitama.

[Yokohammer]

Uh-huh.

I have heard some uncharacteristically nasty comments from Hamamatsu natives regarding the Brazilians in that area.

The ill will is well known.

(Been to a couple of great churrasco places there too ...)

[matsuki]

lies.....it was nothing more than slight degree infection.
although it seems like the brazilian dad is a pastor, its a lying pastor.

三女はその後、浜松市内の病院で、小さな血管に炎症が起こる紫斑病の疑いと診断され三日間入院した。
http://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/shizu ... 00084.html

according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"

I read something similar elsewhere but even if true, an infection that causes blood vessels all over your body to burst isn't what I'd refer to as a "slight degree." That's got to be very traumatic if it's your child. It could also be the case that the family has some sort of immune system problems that makes it worse. Without knowing the specifics or holding a medical degree, it's a bit of a reach to call the guy a liar.

there are a lot of brazilians in west shizuoka area and part of them are gangnized or mafianized over there after Lehman shock. native ppl around there do hate them. new derogatory words are established. "ブラ公(burakou)" "ブラジ(buraji)" and also brazilian side has hostilities toward natives too. there are those piled mutual hostilities behind this incident.

The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...

[Samurai_Jerk]

The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...

You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.

[matsuki]

The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...

You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.

Ehhhh except this one? That's not what I was implying.

Serious question but do you really think you wouldn't have at least knocked the doc on his ass if he said クソ死ねto you or your child?

[wagyl]

Choko: serious question. Is violence ever a solution?

I don't count "you feeling better" as a solution.

[IparryU]

You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.

tru dat.

[legion]

I think the father has embellished his story for effect.

The diagnosis is key, if a misdiagnosis put the child at risk it is serious. But two doctors saw her and said it could wait. They took issue, tempers got frayed.

If the hospital was covering up a misdiagnosis we should be concerned, but one over tired young doctor with a potty mouth on the late shift for me comes under the category of shit happens. Mark it down, move on.


I wonder if the issue of payment came up before the cameras started rolling. Cover for children varies from place to place, some areas it is free up to elementary school, some it is subsidised after the first year. Perhaps the build up to this involved a discussion about cover or cash deposits. Not a comfortable conversation, but hospitals have to stick to their guns or why would anyone bother with health insurance.

[matsuki]

Choko: serious question. Is violence ever a solution?

I don't count "you feeling better" as a solution.

I'm not advocating violence and personally I'd rather not get locked up just because knocking the docs teeth out would feel good....just trying to point out that such inflammatory language, coming from a physician and directed towards a sick child or their parent, is very likely to escalate the situation to violence.

For the record, I think the dad here made a decent attempt at documenting the situation (he may not have caught everything on video but pretty much had the dude admitting he said it) and while he may or may not have embellished what happened, the hospital's response seems (as usual) pretty lacking.

[legion]

The chunichi article, which may be a little selective, mentions the doctor had other emergency patients to attend to, which the father did not understand.

It also uses 'utagai' talking about the other hospital's diagnosis, which I read as 'suspected'. She was in for 3 days, 3 weeks probably includes after care.

I've always been happy with the doctors here, sure some of them are dicks, but if you spent you days distributing medicine to bored grandmas, how would you feel?

[Samurai_Jerk]

The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...

You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.

That's not what I was implying.

Except you implied it twice.

most of the Brazilians I know would have come close to murdering a doctor that said that to one of their children.

Maybe you just meant Brazilians though. Not Latin people in general.

[IparryU]

The doctor should feel lucky he didn't get a Brazillian papa with less self control...

You're right. As we all know Latin people are violent savages.

That's not what I was implying.

Except you implied it twice.

most of the Brazilians I know would have come close to murdering a doctor that said that to one of their children.

Maybe you just meant Brazilians though. Not Latin people in general.

I'm on board with you here SJ.... Latinos get stupid mad quite easily. That is why they all should smoke weed.

[wagyl]

What about Latinas?

[Coligny]

I think the father has embellished his story for effect.

The diagnosis is key, if a misdiagnosis put the child at risk it is serious. But two doctors saw her and said it could wait. They took issue, tempers got frayed.

If the hospital was covering up a misdiagnosis we should be concerned, but one over tired young doctor with a potty mouth on the late shift for me comes under the category of shit happens. Mark it down, move on.


I wonder if the issue of payment came up before the cameras started rolling. Cover for children varies from place to place, some areas it is free up to elementary school, some it is subsidised after the first year. Perhaps the build up to this involved a discussion about cover or cash deposits. Not a comfortable conversation, but hospitals have to stick to their guns or why would anyone bother with health insurance.

Even that idiot Takechimp posted :

according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"

Letting clearly think they also fucked up their diags.

As for money, I don't know for sure (because i'm a bit a side case). But the question of payment never seems to occurs before the treatment. AND since these guys said it was nothing, i double doubt the payment issue would have come into play anyway.

[Coligny]

I've always been happy with the doctors here...

In which fucking lalaland are you living ? Or what kind of dystopian hellhole are you from ?

but if you spent you days distributing medicine to bored grandmas, how would you feel?

Paid to do a job, and in case of grandmasitting... Overpaid to do a job...
And here that would be a nice change to grandmasitting no ? A real patient with first stage of zombi virus symptoms...

If anyone not hyper stimulated and exited by his job get a free pass at sucking donkey balls while on duty... Might as well close the planet and shutdown the lights...

[matsuki]

SJ, I never said anything about "Latin people" or "violent savages." You're reaching pretty far...

Do I think the average Brazilian papa is more likely than say, a Japanese papa, to get physical when being told クソ死ね by the doctor in question? Hell yeah. Does that make him a "violent savage?" Are Brazilians or "Latin people" the only ones more likely to react that way than Japanese? Does it have anything to do with race? I don't think so.

IPU - your sarcasm meter is broken