As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

[Samurai_Jerk]

What about Latinas?

Even worse. But they got nice asses so they get a pass on their bullshit.

[IparryU]

IPU - your sarcasm meter is broken

Latinos are nuts... No sarcasm there.

[IparryU]

What about Latinas?

Even worse. But they got nice asses so they get a pass on their bullshit.

Yup, then when they turn 20 or so the body goes south.

[Wage Slave]

Even that idiot Takechimp posted :

according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"

Letting clearly think they also fucked up their diags.

Purpura (from Latin: purpura, meaning "purple") are red or purple discolorations on the skin that do not blanch on applying pressure. They are caused by bleeding underneath the skin usually secondary to vasculitis or dietary deficiency of vitamin C (scurvy).[1] Purpura measure 0.3–1 cm (3–10 mm), whereas petechiae measure less than 3 mm, and ecchymoses greater than 1 cm.[2]

This is common with typhus and can be present with meningitis caused by meningococci or septicaemia. In particular, meningococcus (Neisseria meningitidis), a Gram-negative diplococcus organism, releases endotoxin when it lyses. Endotoxin activates the Hageman factor (clotting factor XII), which causes disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC). The DIC is what appears as a rash on the affected individual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpura

Any half competent doctor with these signs in a 6 year old should have been worried about meningitis. And that's that.

[Samurai_Jerk]

What about Latinas?

Even worse. But they got nice asses so they get a pass on their bullshit.

Yup, then when they turn 20 or so the body goes south.

That's only Mexicans. What do you expect from a country that's even fatter than America?

[Coligny]

Even that idiot Takechimp posted :

according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"

Letting clearly think they also fucked up their diags.

Purpura (from Latin: purpura, meaning "purple") are red or purple discolorations on the skin that do not blanch on applying pressure. They are caused by bleeding underneath the skin usually secondary to vasculitis or dietary deficiency of vitamin C (scurvy).[1] Purpura measure 0.3–1 cm (3–10 mm), whereas petechiae measure less than 3 mm, and ecchymoses greater than 1 cm.[2]

This is common with typhus and can be present with meningitis caused by meningococci or septicaemia. In particular, meningococcus (Neisseria meningitidis), a Gram-negative diplococcus organism, releases endotoxin when it lyses. Endotoxin activates the Hageman factor (clotting factor XII), which causes disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC). The DIC is what appears as a rash on the affected individual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpura

Any half competent doctor with these signs in a 6 year old should have been worried about meningitis. And that's that.

Wait, one more thing... Isn't meningitis requiring quarantine for affected school age children ? I remember few rare case around Paris, and the whole classroom had to go to hospitals for testing...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meningit ... plications

lies.....it was nothing more than slight degree infection.

Well... That's a way to put it... Just septicemia after all... What can possibly happen...

[wuchan]

I remember being told 17 years ago by a Japanese person to lock my car doors when driving through that bit of Gunma squeezed between Tochigi and Saitama.

iwasuki - ota?

[wagyl]

I remember being told 17 years ago by a Japanese person to lock my car doors when driving through that bit of Gunma squeezed between Tochigi and Saitama.

iwasuki - ota?

Ota and Oizumi. Excellent coffee once you unlocked the door and got out of the car. And oxtail to die for.

[legion]

I've always been happy with the doctors here...

In which fucking lalaland are you living ? Or what kind of dystopian hellhole are you from ?

.

The UK, where we have good doctors & nurses too.

My sister in law is a hospital manager in the UK, I've seen her go through a career from trainee nurse to intensive care nurse, to doned organ specialist, to hospital manager. It is a difficult job at all levels. I have no time for self righteous assholes who think they deserve the red carpet treatment for their ailments. It's a simple equation of resources against needs.

And yes, the doctors I've dealt with here have all been good, when I crashed my motorcycle they were great, they have been great with my kids bumps & scrapes and snotty noses. Maybe it's an attitude thing, me and mine just seem to get along fine, gee, I wonder why ? Maybe because I remember to say please and thank you.

[legion]

Any half competent doctor with these signs in a 6 year old should have been worried about meningitis. And that's that.

Which they weren't because she didn't display other symptoms.

[legion]

Wait, one more thing... Isn't meningitis requiring quarantine for affected school age children ? I remember few rare case around Paris, and the whole classroom had to go to hospitals for testing...
.

Which they didn't. Because she didn't have meningitis.

Sorry guys, I love you all. but I think you are channeling Debito here.

[Wage Slave]

Any half competent doctor with these signs in a 6 year old should have been worried about meningitis. And that's that.

Which they weren't because she didn't display other symptoms.

How do you know that? And how do you know she wasn't treated for meningitis at the other hospital? All we have so far is a sketchy report in the press that she had one one the classic signs (not a symptom BTW) of meningitis. I don't know exactly what happened either but there is plenty enough evidence to justify an investigation into why a 6 year old with that particular and singular rash was sent on her way without proper investigation or treatment. If that had happened in the UK there would be hell to pay no matter what else - and the medical profession would be more upset than anyone.

I do know that it is drilled into all parents in the UK that meningitis is a very dangerous illness and we are taught to recognise that rash. If your child develops any rash you should apply a glass to it. If the marks don't blush away you should get medical help immediately - and you won't be turned away.

The racist bit, if it actually was, is actually just an aggravating factor. The real issue is whether this hospital and those two doctors in particular are incompetent and a danger to the public. Personally, I am very glad I don't live in that hospital's catchment area.

[Coligny]

Wait, one more thing... Isn't meningitis requiring quarantine for affected school age children ? I remember few rare case around Paris, and the whole classroom had to go to hospitals for testing...
.

Which they didn't. Because she didn't have meningitis.

Sorry guys, I love you all. but I think you are channeling Debito here.

No, meanwhile you are appreciating the j system apparently based on a certain view of the UK system...

And from the viewpoint of a person you describe as "started from the bottom now I'm here" which usually do not rise and shine through empathy.Sometimes not even competence, just politics.

While this particular example reeks of j incompetence. That you systematically dismiss through assumption.

Which they weren't because she didn't display other symptoms.

Not how it works. When you have only few symptoms but are missing items on your checklist you don't go.
"fuck you, she's good"
YOU KEEP THE PATIENT IN OBSERVATION TO SEE IF HE/SHE DEVELOP OTHER SYMPTOMS
If your hospital is overloaded you call another one for a transfer. Especially when the patient is transferable.

Fucking braindead arrogant piece of shit doctors who do this are the reason patient go home and have to be rushed back by ambulance or helo in the middle of the night. With senior doctors called in wether or not they are on duty...

Japanese doctors lie in your face.
Japanese doctors through private schools can literally just buy their diploma (*)
And are in such an ecosystem that they stay in the pool. Making the water turn to shit for everybody.

(*)like getting your driver license throught private school, establishment that don't treat their 'customers' well don't stay in business.

I've seen both sides of what the japs are calling a medical system. None of them where positive.

Don't make it a debito's strawman. Not everyone started to hate japan and tried to find reason after. I don't care if I can't go to random onsen in bumfuck hokkaido and I never considered the shitty medical care a consequence to my passport.
I'm FRENCH {fuck you} you really think it's a nationality the locals looks down upon with a smug air of superiority ? and unlike the americans, we never bombed them...

to put it simply. they sux and have a whole countrywide system to make anything suck even more in order to protect their view of themselves as rainbow shitting do gooders who's farts do not stink... their crisis management sux, their judicial system sux, their nukaplants sux, their driving sux, their flying skills sux, their army sux. And everytime their system is stress tested it collapse upon itself and there is enough shit dropped on so many fans that the planet could look like a chocolate ball. and when they miraculously make it through thanks to some divine intervention or out of pity from some summerian demon. Like the good fucking imbeciles they are, they learn no lessons and just consider that everything should have worked, it was just a case of bad luck, can't happen again, they have stats to prove it...

[Coligny]

The UK, where we have good doctors & nurses too.

yes, aboot that:

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-he ... h-systems/

congrats for being #18
But with Japan at #10 and seeing what it gives as a result I'm not going to give it a try anyday.

Also... check who's first...

image-105040-breitwandaufmacher-rcgt.jpg

yes, it is a middle finger indeed...

[Russell]

To put it simply. they sux and have a whole countrywide system to make anything suck even more in order to protect their view of themselves as rainbow shitting do gooders who's farts do not stink... their crisis management sux, their judicial system sux, their nukaplants sux, their driving sux, their flying skills sux, their army sux. And everytime their system is stress tested it collapse upon itself and there is enough shit dropped on so many fans that the planet could look like a chocolate ball. and when they miraculously make it through thanks to some divine intervention or out of pity from some summerian demon. Like the good fucking imbeciles they are, they learn no lessons and just consider that everything should have worked, it was just a case of bad luck, can't happen again, they have stats to prove it...

But overall, you're enjoying your life here, it seems...

[Wibble]

The UK, where we have good doctors & nurses too.

yes, aboot that:

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-he ... h-systems/

congrats for being #18
But with Japan at #10 and seeing what it gives as a result I'm not going to give it a try anyday.

Also... check who's first...

That ranking isn't based on quality of doctors and nurses though, it's ranking health systems. A large part of the score comes from Fairness of financial contribution, equality of health, and the overall health level of the country.

[Coligny]

I always enjoyed natural disasters...

Man made disasters are just cherry on top...

2549667-lemmings_snes_eu.jpg

plus trains and mail run on time...

[Coligny]

The UK, where we have good doctors & nurses too.

yes, aboot that:

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-he ... h-systems/

congrats for being #18
But with Japan at #10 and seeing what it gives as a result I'm not going to give it a try anyday.

Also... check who's first...

That ranking isn't based on quality of doctors and nurses though, it's ranking health systems. A large part of the score comes from Fairness of financial contribution, equality of health, and the overall health level of the country.

you are totally right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

England might suck even more if you consider their higher spending per capita than japan.
also.woosh... the point is not to switch to a debate on UK healthcare. Just to note that the comparison used uk/jp was like betting on a fight between 2 retarded kids. Whoever wins is still shortbus material.

[matsuki]

Wait, one more thing... Isn't meningitis requiring quarantine for affected school age children ? I remember few rare case around Paris, and the whole classroom had to go to hospitals for testing...
.

Which they didn't. Because she didn't have meningitis.

Sorry guys, I love you all. but I think you are channeling Debito here.

You're assuming so...but unless they release that info we're all just guessing as to the nature of the problem. Refusing to refer them to another hospital while asking them to leave is pretty bizarre though. Second opinions and questioning the physicians judgement are reasonable, no? (aren't they legally required to refer them to another medical facility if requested?) The whole クソ死ね seems to tell you where the physician's head was.

[Takechanpoo]

welll, i honestly admit my country is fucked up in many fields. the sense of security deriving from being majority is very the reason i remain to be in this country. so if im not japanese, i wont live in here.

meanwhile in france...

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"you'd better go back if you came here from foreign country and hate this country"
its pretty simple.

[Coligny]

Sarkozy's saying: La France tu l'aimes ou tu la quittes
"France, love it or leave it"
Coming from that Hungarian refugee who's parents were nazis collaborator who had to run away after the war... a bit cherry on top and all...

There is a version for all countries...
"AuSSlander AuSS" comes to mah mind...

Which seems to imply that people move around just for fun without any personal, financial or safety reasons whatsoever (see the Hungarian).
(usually here enter the 'warglarb Coligny followed just for the muney' which is assuming that me Julie didn't have lucrative jobs openings in France)

Never said there was no imbeciles in France, locals plus all those japanese tourists buses.

Meanwhile unlike in Japan, there is still enough people available to make the country more or less functional. Aside from the train and postal service.

[matsuki]

Again, I'll interject with "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater."

Foreigners are one thing, armed militarized foreigners are another.

As to the can't be helped to self reflect so they say "if you don't like it, get out" crowd of any country...they can get fucked. Guy I know who plays hockey in Russia is always bitching about how they approach the sport there. It basically hasn't changed in ages because it's the same shit they did back in their "bubble era" when Russian hockey was killing it. If it works, don't fix it! Nostalgia, our culture, whatever stubborn excuse there is for not modernizing the approach...it fails to take into consideration that the sport itself has changed and they are no longer competitive on a worldwide level.

[legion]

How do you know that? And how do you know she wasn't treated for meningitis at the other hospital? All we have so far is a sketchy report in the press that she had one one the classic signs (not a symptom BTW) of meningitis. I don't know exactly what happened either but there is plenty enough evidence to justify an investigation into why a 6 year old with that particular and singular rash was sent on her way without proper investigation or treatment. If that had happened in the UK there would be hell to pay no matter what else - and the medical profession would be more upset than anyone.

How do you know the doctor didn't check for meningitis? All we have is a sketchy report ......

Hospitals are bound by confidentiality, so we will never know, but if it had been meningitis then I think the story would have ended with "mamonaku shibou".

How do you know it wasn't scurvy?

[Wage Slave]

How do you know it wasn't scurvy?

I don't, but it doesn't seem very likely does it? I suppose it could have been typhus as well. Not many other alternatives for that rash - And that's the point. And that's why the father was a bit upset - I would have been too. I will need a lot more to convince me that that girl should have been sent away, on a Sunday, from the rostered emergency department of a public hospital. It was on Sunday and over the weekend only a very small number of emergency departments are open to provide cover as governed by a roster. So it was their turn and their duty, they had capacity and there were a very limited number of other options available to the family. And of course the patient comes with resources in this system. You treat a patient - You get paid. It is entirely unwarranted to suggest that they didn't have insurance or didn't intend to pay.

And it is downright scary that the hospital hasn't given any reason why she was - Just that it was at the discretion of the doctors on duty.

One good thing about churches and other religious organisations. They often have access to skilled and qualified people who will work for free - I hope, for all our sakes, that they get help and make sure that what happened is investigated properly.

[Coligny]

Any half competent doctor with these signs in a 6 year old should have been worried about meningitis. And that's that.

Which they weren't because she didn't display other symptoms.

It's funny how you try to drown the real issues, let me sum the key events for you:

Step 1 hospital 1

It was almost 2 A.M when they properly reached out to us and asked us to leave since they couldn't do anything for us. I insisted, asking for a letter of transfer to another hospital

Translation: for them girl have nothing to be treated for. Told to go home.


Step 2 hospital 2

according to chunichi shinbun, "afterwards in another hospital in hamamatsu, the third daughter were diagnosed with Purpura which causes inflammation to blood vessels and were in hospital for 3 days"

Translation: bacterial infection (and you know what usually turn into a disaster when not treated rapidly: infections)
3 days of hospitalisation. Which don't mean she was cured in 3 days, but that she had to be kept under medical care for 3 days. The fact that she could go home after 3 days can mean that the condition was improved, no longer life threatening if she previously was and the rest of the treatment can be administered by the family.

Observation 1
The first hospital screwed up

Step 3 hospital 1
Apologies from the director.

Confirming that they fucked up. No ?

So I don't know how many shit your going to throw at the walls hoping one will stick (stretched resources, not meningitis, maybe scurvy, so hey, who gives a fuck....)

But it seems to be quite clear that the team at the first hospital by not diagnosing ANYTHING and sending the patient home really did fuck up good and with a style that made for youtube material. ALSO any claim of stretched resources is void by their refusal to even write a transfer letter.

You check the underlying mechanism of purpura (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpura) and tell me which one of those can be used to send a patient home without even a glass of lemon juice ?

Do you have anything faulting one of those points without involving the healthcare system in Kenya or any other distraction ?

[Coligny]

to put it simply. they sux and have a whole countrywide system to make anything suck even more in order to protect their view of themselves as rainbow shitting do gooders who's farts do not stink... their crisis management sux, their judicial system sux, their nukaplants sux, their driving sux, their flying skills sux, their army sux. And everytime their system is stress tested it collapse upon itself and there is enough shit dropped on so many fans that the planet could look like a chocolate ball. and when they miraculously make it through thanks to some divine intervention or out of pity from some summerian demon. Like the good fucking imbeciles they are, they learn no lessons and just consider that everything should have worked, it was just a case of bad luck, can't happen again, they have stats to prove it...

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/gre ... juggernaut

Clashing energy interests on the Japanese island of Kyushu have prompted Japan's government to clamp down on solar power development nationwide. While the government calls it a necessary revision to assure grid stability amidst rapidly rising levels of intermittent solar energy, critics see a pro-nuclear agenda at work—one that could stunt Japan's renewable energy potential.

I'm waiting for the pronuke to rationalize how renewable from solar and wind switched from "never being enough to supply the demand" to "being to much overproduction for the grid to handle" since Fukushima.
Because, last time I checked, when a solar panel make power that is not needed, you unplug or just ignore it. Or if you are smart you power water pump to refill water reservoirs that can be later used to make power when needed...

[Russell]

Coligny, did you purposely start a new trend of parallel posting the same stuff to multiple threads?

[Coligny]

Coligny, did you purposely start a new trend of parallel posting the same stuff to multiple threads?

Yes, it's bad...

But it match here for the st00pidity topic
It match the solar panel viability for the solar panel topic
It match the F00k00shima thread because its a nukular versus renewabul topic

Wait...

Coligny, did you purposely start a new trend of parallel posting the same stuff to multiple threads?

Are y00 suggesting that I might have a case of teh senil3 ?

[Cyka UchuuJin]

Holy crap. I remember starting this thread but actually had to go back and see what it was actually about. Epic hijacking you guys!

[Samurai_Jerk]

I got to experience the first class care of off-hours Japanese hospitals last night. My eye was bothering me a little all afternoon and in the early evening I looked in the mirror and notice something like a blister bulging out of my right eyeball. It looked like it could pop at any minute and I couldn't even completely cover it by closing my eye. That's never happened to me before so it kind of freaked me out. Since I didn't want to take any risks with my eyesight I figured it would be better to go to the hospital sooner than later.

I messaged one of my Japanese friends from my neighborhood to ask him where the best place to go was and he told me and said he'd go with me. Turns out he was bored playing games on his iPhone and just wanted to get out of the house. So we went over to the hospital but a nurse came out and said there weren't any ophthalmologists available there on Sundays so I'd have to go somewhere else. All I wanted to know was whether or not it could wait till tomorrow but they weren't willing to have a anyone look at me and gave me a phone number to call to find which hospital had an eye doctor on hand on a Sunday night. The nurse was talking to me like I was a retard but I figured it was just because I was with my friend so she assumed I didn't speak much Japanese. Then she started talking to him in the same way and I realized the problem was most likely that she was a retard.

My friend called the next hospital for me to explain the situation. I have no idea what the doctor he was talking to said but suddenly I heard him say, "I don't know. You're the expert. That's why I called. That was stupid thing to ask, wasn't it?" -- I love shitamachi people. -- They told him it didn't sound like an emergency so I should just wait till the morning and go to a ophthalmologist. As we were leaving he grumbled that what he hates about Japan is no one wants to take any responsibility for anything. He also said the person on the other end was talking down to him which is something he hates about Japanese doctors. I thanked him because I probably couldn't have explained my everything as clearly. His response was great. "It doesn't matter how much Japanese you learn. It won't fix that communication problem."

Anyway, most of the swelling had gone down this morning but I went to the doctor just to be safe. He said it was just an infection and prescribed some eye drops.