Building the Gaijin Ghetto

[wagyl]

This deserves a wider audience.

Now, this may seem like it flies in the face of what I have written so far, but it is next to impossible to attain an understanding of foreigners by living alongside them.

Ever since I learned of the situation in the Republic of South Africa some 20 or 30 years ago, I have been convinced that it is best for the races to live apart from each other, as was the case for whites, Asians, and blacks in that country.

Ayako Sono is an author born in 1931. Among her notable past acts are harbouring Alberto Fujimori -- I suppose she was never able to understand him either.

[kurogane]

I love the absurd jumps of logic within and between paragraphs. Even the batshiite Ojisans must be shaking their head and laughing at that drivel. While I am perfectly happy living apart from her and her ilk, I think it's sort of nice the way the media is paying attention to these older cat ladies lately, like that other famous old witch complaining about the inefficiency of studying English in Japan. Playing to the cheap seats, I suppose. One thing the interwebz has taught me is that cat ladies are there to be laughed at not listened to.

PS she doesn't mean Us. She means Phillipinas and Indonesians. We're just tourists, so stay quiet and carry on.

[matsuki]

PS she doesn't mean Us. She means Phillipinas and Indonesians. We're just tourists, so stay quiet and carry on.

While I'm aware of how ethnically mixed those two groups are, aren't they considered "mongoloids" (or Asians, since she seems to prefer that term) as Japanese are? Or is that all meaningless to her because the population of Japan is obviously some sort of pure and unique "race."

[Takechanpoo]

probably she thinks herself or japanese so-called "honorary white(名誉白人)" or that japanese are kinda special among asian, yellows or mongloid. as do her generation's japs. its a shame. japans future rests on how that gen's dotards be dealt with.
simply die, jijis and babas! committing suicide is the best way for you jiji and baba to contribute to the whole j-society.
you are toxic wastes of society!!!

[wagyl]

Teeheehee if you put out enough material, there is always someone who remembers it and flings it back in your face:

I'm in favour of a kind of retirement system, where old people, once they reach a certain age, shut up.

[Samurai_Jerk]

While I'm aware of how ethnically mixed those two groups are, aren't they considered "mongoloids" (or Asians, since she seems to prefer that term) as Japanese are?

Not this ridiculous claim again.

[matsuki]

Teeheehee if you put out enough material, there is always someone who remembers it and flings it back in your face:

I'm in favour of a kind of retirement system, where old people, once they reach a certain age, shut up.

[kurogane]

PS she doesn't mean Us. She means Phillipinas and Indonesians. We're just tourists, so stay quiet and carry on.

While I'm aware of how ethnically mixed those two groups are, aren't they considered "mongoloids" (or Asians, since she seems to prefer that term) as Japanese are? Or is that all meaningless to her because the population of Japan is obviously some sort of pure and unique "race."

Yes, but now you're back on the reductive race track again. When they say Race they mean Ethnicity. Now, do you consider them to be of the same ethnicity as those 2 fine ethnicities she seems to want to malign or at least corral?

Wagyl,

Genius. Any bets on how long it takes to bite her flabby ass with that?

[matsuki]

Yes, but now you're back on the reductive race track again. When they say Race they mean Ethnicity. Now, do you consider them to be of the same ethnicity as those 2 fine ethnicities she seems to want to malign or at least corral?

Indeed...they should write it as "reesu" so we know it's a fucked Engrish being "adopted" into Japanese.

As to your next question, depends on how you define "ethnicity" but obviously they are very different cultures. If you mean ancestry:

Haplogroup O2b (SRY465, M176): Found almost exclusively among the Korean, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and Indonesian.

Haplogroup O2b1-47z: Found frequently among Japanese and Ryukyuans, with a moderate distribution among Indonesians, Koreans, Manchus, Thais, and Vietnamese.

Then again, point taken...the real party here is this ethnocentric old bag's divide and keep your distance mentality. It's up there in the out of your element armchair assery awards.

[legion]

I find her assertion that care workers don't require much understanding to do their jobs to be quite revealing. Surely caring for the elderly requires are great deal of understanding, unless we no longer see them as people that is ........

I wonder how current carers feel about her article. The Caregivers Association of Japan certainly put a great deal of time, thought and effort into their profession, dealing with issues such as what quality of life really means.

[kurogane]

Yeah, the absurdity of her logic makes one wonder if she doesn't need more of that unskilled care quite urgently. Even allowing for the emocentric spasticity allowed in Japanese Thought Pieces there were some real clangers in there. The good people over at Huffington Post Japan certainly agree with you. Good depressing health chuckles at any rate; at least I now know that Japanese Internetizens write their own language as badly as the rest of us do ours.

[Mock Cockpit]

I wonder if the old girl knows that if she had have gone to live in apartheid Sarth Efrica as a Japanese she would have been placed in the "white" group.

[kurogane]

I think she did live or visit there, and I also thought exactly that. I think it's that weird ecstasy some Japanese get when they receive preference and deference. Whatever it is, she is definitely identifying with a particular sprain of Seth Effrican there and not the type that would welcome her skin tint, which shows how little she learned and why she should STFU.

[Yokohammer]

Jake Adelstien's take in The Daily Beast:

An Advisor to PM Abe Praises Apartheid, Says It Might Help Japan

A 30-year-old South African woman working in Japan in communications, when shown the column, shook her head and said, “I already deal with enough subtle racism at work. If a major newspaper is going to print this kind of bullshit, they empower all the racists in the country. I’ve almost had enough. Maybe we all should leave and just leave Japan to rot in its own xenophobic dementia. If the sexism here is as bad as the racism, no wonder women don’t want to give birth—it seems hopeless.”

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yes, but now you're back on the reductive race track again. When they say Race they mean Ethnicity. Now, do you consider them to be of the same ethnicity as those 2 fine ethnicities she seems to want to malign or at least corral?

Indeed...they should write it as "reesu" so we know it's a fucked Engrish being "adopted" into Japanese.

As to your next question, depends on how you define "ethnicity" but obviously they are very different cultures. If you mean ancestry:

Haplogroup O2b (SRY465, M176): Found almost exclusively among the Korean, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and Indonesian.

Haplogroup O2b1-47z: Found frequently among Japanese and Ryukyuans, with a moderate distribution among Indonesians, Koreans, Manchus, Thais, and Vietnamese.

Then again, point taken...the real party here is this ethnocentric old bag's divide and keep your distance mentality. It's up there in the out of your element armchair assery awards.

You're as dense as Sono.

[wagyl]

Hint, Choko: what do you think the Haplogroup of pure nikkei Brazilians is?
Would Ms Sono think that they should not be in the danchi ghettos throughout Aichi?

Even ethnicity has only a tenuous connection to culturality, which is what she is really concerned about. And culture shifts over time. You could argue that the grandchild has a different culture to the grandmother, and cultural clashed between them are very possible.

[Yokohammer]

I can't help wondering how our naturalised friends would be treated under a Japanese Apartheid.

Would they be segregated despite having Japanese citizenship? I guess they'd have to be otherwise the whole plan would fall apart, wouldn't it.

Yeah ... that'd work ...

[IparryU]

But then: “At the same time, we must make a system which strictly keeps immigrants in their legal status.” Sono adds, “It may seem contradictory but it’s almost an impossible task to understand foreigners if you share living space with them.”

The author points out that 20 or 30 years previously, after learning about the “real state” of South Africa, she became convinced that white people, Asians, and blacks should all live separately.

what? this bitch dumb.

[matsuki]

Hint, Choko: what do you think the Haplogroup of pure nikkei Brazilians is?
Would Ms Sono think that they should not be in the danchi ghettos throughout Aichi?

Even ethnicity has only a tenuous connection to culturality, which is what she is really concerned about. And culture shifts over time. You could argue that the grandchild has a different culture to the grandmother, and cultural clashed between them are very possible.

Indeed...though I thought that my reference to "culture" was implied when I said "ethnocentric" ...but I guess that term also includes all the fairy tail concepts like race as well.

[Russell]

Well, at least she didn't get her inspiration from Nazi Germany...

(I hope so)

[Yokohammer]

The South African ambassador responds ...

South African ambassador slams op-ed for praising racial segregation

South Africa’s ambassador to Japan sent a letter of protest to the Sankei Shimbun daily over a column by prominent author Ayako Sono praising apartheid as a model for Japan’s immigration policy, according to the newspaper’s publisher.

Sankei Shimbun Co. said Ambassador Mohau Pheko took aim at the column published in Wednesday’s editions in which Sono said it is better for people of different races to live separately as they did under South Africa’s former policy of racial segregation.

The ambassador was quoted as saying apartheid was a crime against humanity and cannot be justified in the 21st century, adding discrimination on the basis of skin color is unacceptable in any country.

... more at the link above ...

[Wage Slave]

The South African ambassador responds ...

Cue feigned bafflement as to why on earth anyone's feelings could be hurt, followed by the conclusion that it can only be because Japanese culture is uniquely unique so therefore no-one but the loyal and true defenders of that culture understand. Game, set and match to racist bilge.

At least, I suppose, she's accepted the reality that Japanese developed robots will not do the jobs and not make a packet of money for Japan Inc in the process. And further she's not silly enough to think that Japan can cherrypick the brightest and best just cos Japan is so desirable and deploy them in hard, dirty, low status and low paid jobs. Always a tempting thought that latter one - Yes, but you get to be in Japan!

[Takechanpoo]

Well, at least she didn't get her inspiration from Nazi Germany...

(I hope so)

i guess she was inspired from Imanishi Kinji(今西錦司)'s theory of habitat segregation(棲み分け理論).
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=habit ... n+imanishi
Imanishi's influence is so huge among her generaition's J-intellectuals.
but now its officially confirmed pseudoscience.....

[dimwit]

The South African ambassador responds ...

Personally, I'm having a fun time reading how Abepologism is trying to blame it all on Davy Arbeiter rather than say, their dear leaders' penchant for appointing manifestly unsuitable and incompetent cronies to positions of power and influence.

http://japologism.com/jeff-kingston-bea ... eance/2607

[Dreamy_Peach]

I'm actually kind of looking forward to when this happens. We could build a"ghetto" with pavements, parks, houses with insulation, empty trains, and where people have manners and didn't shoulder barge you or treat you like you didn't exist, peace and quiet from not being shouted at continuously with some inane rule, etc. it could actually be a nice place to live!

[6810]

I'm actually kind of looking forward to when this happens. We could build a"ghetto" with pavements, parks, houses with insulation, empty trains, and where people have manners and didn't shoulder barge you or treat you like you didn't exist, peace and quiet from not being shouted at continuously with some inane rule, etc. it could actually be a nice place to live!

Sigh... been saying it for years. Must be stubborn or just contrary but...

Comments such as the one above simply say more about the poster's socio-economic status in Japan that they do about Japan itself. Indeed, the irony is that s/he already lives in a state of perpetually culture-shocked, linguistically incapable, self-inflicted gaijin-barrio.

Where I live there are pavements, more parks within a 1km radius than I have seen just about anywhere else in the world, houses have insulation (ghetto-ed gaijin, take yourselves out of the hovels you rent from your English teaching employers and to a housing center or any relatively newly built neighborhood to experience insulation, double paned glass windows and all the other horseshit gaijin have whined about while living in trash heaps because they're too dumb (illiterate)/poor/gaijin to know otherwise).

Empty trains? Anywhere outside of the peak areas has empty trains.

No shoulder barging? Ever been to New York? They don't do just to foreigners there. No one shouts inane rules to me... mostly because I have enough cerebral stuff to have some semblance of what's going on around me and understand the language. Rules become less inane when you actually know what they are. Similarly, at the risk of losing your gaijin-inity, you can always just do what the natives do - "Ah, sumimasen" and ignore the rules that cramp your style.

[matsuki]

[Comments such as the one above simply say more about the poster's socio-economic status in Japan that they do about Japan itself. Indeed, the irony is that s/he already lives in a state of perpetually culture-shocked, linguistically incapable, self-inflicted gaijin-barrio.

Ehhh, I just watched a show last night on J-"celebs" who are "reforming" their ghetto ass apartments and homes. The shit on there is pretty insane. Fair enough about the parks and trains with reasonable amounts of passengers but as we've pointed out in several other threads, legit insulation, modern-sized interior design, and buildings built to last are not exactly modern Japan's strong points.

That all being said, in the spirit of what Peach wrote, it would be hilarious to have a legit "Little America" town built here. Buried power lines, sidewalks, hell, might as well use wind/solar/etc to stay off the grid.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I'm actually kind of looking forward to when this happens. We could build a"ghetto" with pavements, parks, houses with insulation, empty trains, and where people have manners and didn't shoulder barge you or treat you like you didn't exist, peace and quiet from not being shouted at continuously with some inane rule, etc. it could actually be a nice place to live!

Sigh... been saying it for years. Must be stubborn or just contrary but...

Comments such as the one above simply say more about the poster's socio-economic status in Japan that they do about Japan itself. Indeed, the irony is that s/he already lives in a state of perpetually culture-shocked, linguistically incapable, self-inflicted gaijin-barrio.

Where I live there are pavements, more parks within a 1km radius than I have seen just about anywhere else in the world, houses have insulation (ghetto-ed gaijin, take yourselves out of the hovels you rent from your English teaching employers and to a housing center or any relatively newly built neighborhood to experience insulation, double paned glass windows and all the other horseshit gaijin have whined about while living in trash heaps because they're too dumb (illiterate)/poor/gaijin to know otherwise).

Empty trains? Anywhere outside of the peak areas has empty trains.

No shoulder barging? Ever been to New York? They don't do just to foreigners there. No one shouts inane rules to me... mostly because I have enough cerebral stuff to have some semblance of what's going on around me and understand the language. Rules become less inane when you actually know what they are. Similarly, at the risk of losing your gaijin-inity, you can always just do what the natives do - "Ah, sumimasen" and ignore the rules that cramp your style.

You've been spewing out bullshit for years. That's your problem.

You are right to a certain extent. A kid who grew up in a nice suburban home in Australia, Canada, etc. that is suddenly teaching at an eikaiwa and living in a shoe box in the middle of a big Japanese city, is comparing apples and oranges. However, earthquake resistance aside, there is no denying that Japanese homes are poorly built and urban planning here is a joke. Expensive new developments are no exception.

I grew up in NYC (which is probably why the small apartments in Tokyo have never bothered me) and took a rush hour subway to school every morning that was just as crowded as most of the rush hour trains I've taken in Tokyo. People definitely didn't push like they do in Japan. And the endless shouting of inane rules is probably a reference to the endless announcements like 駆け込み乗車は大変危険なので、お止めください. That shit is annoying and useless.

[wagyl]

And the endless shouting of inane rules is probably a reference to the endless announcements like 駆け込み乗車は大変危険なので、お止めください. That shit is annoying and useless.

I just received an envelope, from the prefectural Traffic Accident Mutual Benefit Society, with the warning printed on the flap at the back: 開封時にご注意ください. Phew, that was a lucky escape. Without that warning, who knows what might have happened!

[Samurai_Jerk]

And the endless shouting of inane rules is probably a reference to the endless announcements like 駆け込み乗車は大変危険なので、お止めください. That shit is annoying and useless.

I just received an envelope, from the prefectural Traffic Accident Mutual Benefit Society, with the warning printed on the flap at the back: 開封時にご注意ください. Phew, that was a lucky escape. Without that warning, who knows what might have happened!

My Grandpa lost his finger to a paper cut in dubya dubya two.