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Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Russell » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:39 am

Blooming row over cherry blossoms splits China, S Korea, Japan

A perennial debate over the birthplace of the cherry blossom has taken a fresh turn as a Chinese industry group claims the Asian giant is the tree’s true home, rather than Japan or claimant South Korea.

Cherry blossoms have long been associated with Japan, where viewing the short-lived blooms is an enduringly popular pastime to herald the arrival of spring.

In recent years, some South Korean media have claimed that the country is actually the flower’s origin—sometimes provoking prickly reactions in Japan.

But according to He Zongru, executive chairman of the China Cherry Industry Association, both are wrong, and the Middle Kingdom is the blossom’s true birthplace.

He cited a Japanese monograph on cherry blossoms which stated that the flower originated in the Himalayan mountains of China and did not arrive in Japan until the Tang dynasty more than 1,100 years ago.

“We don’t want to get into a war of words with Japan and South Korea, but we want to assert a fact: Many historical documents confirm that the cherry blossom’s place of origin is in China,” He said, according to the Guangzhou-based Southern Metropolis Daily on Monday.

“As Chinese people, we have a responsibility to let more people know this history,” he added.

For decades, Tokyo has given the prized plant to countries including the U.S. as a gesture of goodwill, and every spring people across Japan gather under cherry blossom trees to eat, drink and admire.

Thousands of visitors line the banks of Washington’s Tidal Basin every spring to catch a sight of the city’s pink and white flowers, which were a gift from Japan in 1912.

In Beijing, the most popular place to view them is Yuyuantan Park, home to more than 2,000 cherry trees—roughly 200 of which were given to China by Japan in the early 1970s, when the two countries re-established diplomatic ties.

Nonetheless the row reflects tense relations among the three Asian rivals, which are frequently at odds with each other on issues including Japan’s 20th-century history—when it colonised Korea and parts of China, culminating in World War II—and competing territorial claims in regional waters.

Often, such battles see Beijing and Seoul team up against Tokyo, as when China unveiled a memorial last year to a Korean national hero condemned by Japan as a “terrorist” for killing a Japanese official a century ago.

Even so He’s message to Seoul in the latest debate was uncompromising.

“Simply put, the cherry blossom originated in China and flourished in Japan,” the paper quoted him as saying. “South Korea has nothing to do with it.”

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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Takechanpoo » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:44 am

the beginning of this affair is korea AS ALWAYS.
here in japan there are hundreds sort of sakuras around the country, which were created by long time plant breeding. and among them someiyoshino is symbolic one for japanese nationals as you gaijins do know. and kimchese are trying to steal it to regard someiyoshino as its kimchee origin. coz they are jealous that someiyoshinos in washington are pretty popular with american locals there and are trying to snatch it. actually korean pressure group there started insisting that washington sakura festival should be changed the name to asian festival. what creepy and disgusting fellows kimchees are.
and the origin of the origins of all cherry blossms is in Himalaya, not china, not japan and of course not kimcheeland.

similar article in last year
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/0 ... RnyaWPtaqL

this kind of "origin issues" always begin in korea. coz the origins of everything on the planet is in kimcheeland according to kimchees
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby matsuki » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:37 am

Takechanpoo wrote:this kind of "origin issues" always begin in korea. coz the origins of everything on the planet is in kimcheeland according to kimchees
:hehe:


Don't forget, they created everything too...

Silly nationalist, these kinds of spats are for kids!

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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Mike Oxlong » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:30 am

Japan Gets Word Out With Books in English
Government opens another front in public relations battle with China, South Korea
Japan’s government is paying to have Japanese-language nonfiction books translated into English, with the first works to be produced under the program arriving in American libraries this month.

The move is one of several nontraditional public-relations steps by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s administration, which is trying to enhance Japan’s profile among U.S. opinion leaders and the general public as it engages in a public relations battle with China and South Korea.

Japan’s foreign ministry has boosted its public diplomacy budget. Measures include spending $5 million to fund a professorship in Japanese politics and foreign policy at Columbia University. Another program, begun last year, sends Japanese people from various walks of life to places like Lawrence, Kan., and Lexington, Ky., to talk about life in Japan.

The books translated into English with Japanese government funds will carry the imprint “Japan Library” and be published by the government itself—a different approach from that of some other nations that subsidize private translations.

The first five books in the Japan Library were printed this month. The books, originally brought out in Japanese by commercial publishers, include a journalist’s account of a paper mill’s recovery after the 2011 earthquake and “Tree-Ring Management,” a book by the chairman of a gelatin maker that argues “rapid growth is the enemy” of good management.

“Japan is among the top nations in the world in terms of books published, but unfortunately, they’re just published in Japanese. If they were known around the world, there are a lot of books that people would find really interesting,” said Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroshige Seko, a close aide to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe who leads the translation program.

The Japanese government has said its overseas public relations efforts are partly a response to moves by China and South Korea, which have poured money into establishing footholds at U.S. academic institutions in recent years. China’s Confucius Institute-funded programs have grown rapidly, and Seoul recently raised its budget for its King Sejong Institute, allowing it to add programs at the University of Hawaii and the University of Iowa.

Some efforts have been overtly political. South Korea has created a website in seven languages to make its case that two islets claimed by both Tokyo and Seoul rightly belong to South Korea, and last year sponsored an exhibit in France on forced prostitution by the Japanese military during World War II. For its part, Japan asked U.S. publisher McGraw-Hill Education late last year to revise passages on the forced prostitution in a U.S. textbook. The publisher declined.

In an interview, Mr. Seko said that to forestall any perception the books represent government propaganda, a seven-member panel of outside experts chose which works to translate and avoided those with an overt political message. The books were shipped free of charge to North American libraries and will be available on Amazon.com for a small charge, officials said.

The Japan Library aims to have 100 works translated by 2020, the year Tokyo plays host to the Olympics Games.

A translation disparity exists between many languages and English, and it is particularly stark in Japan, one of the world’s most literate nations. More than 4,700 foreign-language works were published in Japanese translation in 2012, the latest year for which figures are available, according to the All Japan Magazine and Book Publishers and Editors Association.

By contrast, virtually no Japanese authors apart from novelist Haruki Murakami are regularly published in English. A translation database kept by the University of Rochester shows just 19 Japanese-language works of fiction were translated into English in 2014, not including comic books...

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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby matsuki » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:54 pm

Mike Oxlong wrote:The first five books in the Japan Library were printed this month. The books, originally brought out in Japanese by commercial publishers, include a journalist’s account of a paper mill’s recovery after the 2011 earthquake and “Tree-Ring Management,” a book by the chairman of a gelatin maker that argues “rapid growth is the enemy” of good management.


Let me guess, the other 3 are:

3.) "Fax machine etiquette"
4.) "Amakudari for dummys"
5.) "A pedophile's guide to the Galaxy"

...and none will be available as ebooks. BTW, who is doing the translation? :twisted:
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Russell » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:23 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Mike Oxlong wrote:The first five books in the Japan Library were printed this month. The books, originally brought out in Japanese by commercial publishers, include a journalist’s account of a paper mill’s recovery after the 2011 earthquake and “Tree-Ring Management,” a book by the chairman of a gelatin maker that argues “rapid growth is the enemy” of good management.


Let me guess, the other 3 are:

3.) "Fax machine etiquette"
4.) "Amakudari for dummys"
5.) "A pedophile's guide to the Galaxy"

...and none will be available as ebooks. BTW, who is doing the translation? :twisted:

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Yeah, but you should not forget that they were selected by a 7-member panel of "outside experts".

I just wish to know who they are.

And outside of what are they? Out of their minds?!?
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Takechanpoo » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:56 pm

in jeju island
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someiyoshino is NOT native plant. it was artificially created by plant breeding.
who can teach them you kimchese are collectively schizophrenia?
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Taro Toporific » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:05 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:in jeju island
someiyoshino is NOT native plant. it was artificially created by plant breeding.
who can teach them you kimchese are collectively schizophrenia?
:lol:


Once again, even though Takechanpoo and I are on the opposite ends of the "Japan" spectrum, we are in total agreement. :thumbs:
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby matsuki » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:55 pm

Russell wrote: :keyboardcoffee:

Yeah, but you should not forget that they were selected by a 7-member panel of "outside experts".

I just wish to know who they are.

And outside of what are they? Out of their minds?!?


I bet the answer lies in the newly translated "Amakudari for dummys" text.


Taro Toporific wrote:
Takechanpoo wrote:in jeju island
someiyoshino is NOT native plant. it was artificially created by plant breeding.
who can teach them you kimchese are collectively schizophrenia?
:lol:


Once again, even though Takechanpoo and I are on the opposite ends of the "Japan" spectrum, we are in total agreement. :thumbs:


Schizophrenia?

Worse Korea is more like the ginger stepchild that is acting out it's teenage angst from being beaten and raped by uncle China and Cousin Japan.
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Russell » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:40 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote: :keyboardcoffee:

Yeah, but you should not forget that they were selected by a 7-member panel of "outside experts".

I just wish to know who they are.

And outside of what are they? Out of their minds?!?


I bet the answer lies in the newly translated "Amakudari for dummys" text.

LOL.

For good order, I googled the book "Tree-Ring Management" in the hope of finding the other three titles, which I expected to be more hilarious than you wrote in your post.

And guess what I got?!?

"Long tree-ring management to go slowly sinks"
Publisher: Seo Dol (2010)
Korean edition

:shock:

Looks like the Koreans were ahead of them... (in a bad sort of way)
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby matsuki » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:29 pm

Russell wrote:For good order, I googled the book "Tree-Ring Management" in the hope of finding the other three titles, which I expected to be more hilarious than you wrote in your post.

And guess what I got?!?

"Long tree-ring management to go slowly sinks"
Publisher: Seo Dol (2010)
Korean edition

:shock:

Looks like the Koreans were ahead of them... (in a bad sort of way)


Well...the slowly sinking part certainly didn't get lost in translation.
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Russell » Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:30 am

chokonen888 wrote:
Russell wrote:For good order, I googled the book "Tree-Ring Management" in the hope of finding the other three titles, which I expected to be more hilarious than you wrote in your post.

And guess what I got?!?

"Long tree-ring management to go slowly sinks"
Publisher: Seo Dol (2010)
Korean edition

:shock:

Looks like the Koreans were ahead of them... (in a bad sort of way)


Well...the slowly sinking part certainly didn't get lost in translation.

Or maybe they meant to say "thinks" instead of "sinks", thus making a spelling mistake...
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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby matsuki » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:38 pm

Typhoon wrote:


:keyboardcoffee:

I wonder what the Olympic tourists will think of the local museums...or maybe worst Korea will go all out with some sort of "comfort woman/Japanese invasion" reenactment for the opening ceremony?
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:42 pm

Typhoon wrote:


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Re: Sakura: who owns it?

Postby Takechanpoo » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:44 pm

kimchee journalist living in us insist that sakuras in washington dc belong to korea.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20150 ... -xinhua-cn

but already, korean(?) researchers in US Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Research Service proved someiyoshino is different from ones in jeju island.

ABSTRACT This study was initiated to attempt clarify the identities of taxa referred to as Prunus yedoensis that grows under natural environments in Jeju, Korea and of Yoshino cherry hybrids of cultivated origin (also recorded as P.×yedoensis) in Japan, and to understand the difference between these two taxa. P. yedoensis and other species collected from natural habitats from Jeju, Korea and cultivated materials of Yoshino cherries from Tokyo and Washington, DC, were analyzed with inter-simple sequence repeat (ISSR) markers, and sequence analysis of two chloroplast DNA (cpDNA) genes, rpl16 and trnL-trnF spacer. Depending on the source of Yoshino cherry, accessions show variations with ISSR and cpDNA. Accessions belonging to each of P. serrulata var. spontanea, P. serrulata var. pubescens, and P. sargentii were grouped closely to P. yedoensis and Yoshino cherry accessions. However, two Yoshino cherry accessions that include ‘Akebono’ showed the same rpl16 haplotype of A and A at the position of 113 and 206, respectively, which were found in 4 out of 16 P. yedoensis accessions. Twelve accessions of P. yedoensis and 11 other Yoshino cherries showed rpl16 haplotype of T and A at these positions. P. yedoensis native to Korea can be considered different from Yoshino cherry of hybrid origin from Japan based on ISSR markers and rpl16 haplotypes. Therefore, it may be concluded that the Korean taxon currently referred to as P. yedoensis can be considered indigenous and sufficiently distinct to warrant recognition as a distinct entity.

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