Hashimoto: no sex slaves please, we're Japanese

[Takechanpoo]

Also - I didn`t find the 30,000 rapes (I did see 40/330 per day sexual violence) - and wonder if you have a link for something supporting that number.

its from japanese wikipedia.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%A3% ... F.E7.BD.AA
seems like there is no englishnized data or documents for it.

you can inquire about the ground of the number and if the number is proved to be wrong, you should be allowed to claim to correct the number. and it also should not be called Revisionism.

[wuchan]

Take, there is a very good reason why zero accredited universities will accept wikipedia as a "source".

Any idiot can enter any information they like without any proof.

[Takechanpoo]

Take, there is a very good reason why zero accredited universities will accept wikipedia as a "source".

Any idiot can enter any information they like without any proof.

say the same thing to C, K and their followers.
the words are far more fit to them.

[Coligny]

the Russian nationnality test (Stalin is a hero...) and the japanese textbook clusterfuck (them Kimchi be stealing our islands) in the same news segment... me gusta... They should get together to write Dirty Harry Potter fanfics...

[Takechanpoo]

great, a precedent was made. next are kimche whores ones.
and it should be replaced with statues of all ill-treated whores in WW2 by not only j-empire but also kimchese, usa, nazis etc...

[Coligny]

Like a fly on a turd...

[Russell]

Like a fly on a turd...

I can understand why he thinks like that.

The Korean statue, however, seemed to have been approved by officialdom (meaning there was a majority in that area's political body agreeing with its placement), Snowden's wasn't.

[Takechanpoo]

yea, actually they approved it WITHOUT DETAILED VERIFICATIONS.

[Russell]

yea, actually they approved it WITHOUT DETAILED VERIFICATIONS.

Agreed, at the very least they should've checked out the labia of that statue...

[Salty]

yea, actually they approved it WITHOUT DETAILED VERIFICATIONS.

That statue only has meaning you attribute to it - ignore it, and it is meaningless.

[Samurai_Jerk]

OMG!! Abe STILL didn't apologize!!!

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe offered condolences Wednesday for Americans killed in World War II in the first address by a Japanese leader to a joint meeting of Congress, but stopped short of apologizing for wartime atrocities.

Abe came to Capitol Hill after a morning visit to a Washington memorial to more than 400,000 American service members who died in the conflict. His remarks to a packed chamber a day after meeting President Barack Obama were warmly received by lawmakers.

"My dear friends, on behalf of Japan and the Japanese people, I offer with profound respect my eternal condolences to the souls of all American people that were lost during World War II," he said, prompting his audience to rise in applause.

But he skirted another issue that some U.S. lawmakers had also been urging him to address in what is the 70th anniversary year of the end of war — the sexual slavery of tens of thousands of Asian women by Japan's military, which remains a sore point with another staunch U.S. ally, South Korea. One of 53 surviving Korean victims, Yong Soo-lee, 87, was in the gallery to watch Abe's address, seated in a wheelchair.

Instead, the Japanese prime minister expressed "feelings of deep remorse over the war." He acknowledged that "our actions brought suffering to the peoples in Asian countries, we must not avert our eyes from that." That won't satisfy his critics, who want Abe to do more than "uphold" the apologies for wartime abuses made by his predecessors.

Democratic Rep. Mike Honda, who invited Yong to attend, said it was "shocking and shameful" that Abe was evading his government's responsibility over atrocities committed by the Imperial Army against so-called "comfort" women.

[kurogane]

I'm lost again. They have apologised numerous times, the Emperor would like to but will not be allowed which is the only way to make it a formal state apology (and that has always been the diplomatic sticking point), and the San Fransisco Treaty formally dealt with it all anyways (this isn't a fucking Oprah show it's international politics). FTR, I think a formal state or at least cabinet level apology would be nice given the anniversary, but I am not holding my breath, and I deplore Abe as a POS for his niggardly quibbling and niggling, chinking revisionism. But they have already apologised as much as they can without ole Akipoops getting up and bowing.

So, preferably in brief, has he backtracked or quibbled again (thereby cheapening or revising the previous apologies) or is it just more bashing because they refuse to do as they're told when they're told?

[matsuki]

"our actions brought suffering to the peoples in Asian countries, we must not avert our eyes from that."

Sorta owning it with getting too specific. Politics 101?

Apologies are there and have been numerous. Glossing over the more shameful parts of "the war" and trying to downplay the sensitive issues to the point that it's pretty much taboo to even mention them here is not the best way to show your remorse though. (but as we've seen lately, it's all part of the "yappari nippon sugoi!" brainwashing effort)

[Takechanpoo]

im really satisfied with this. it means in fact a claim of japan side about comfort women is accepted among mainstream western japanologists.
https://networks.h-net.org/open-letter- ... ns-japan-0
justice shall prevail

[Coligny]

im really satisfied with this. it means in fact a claim of japan side about comfort women is accepted among mainstream western japanologists.
https://networks.h-net.org/open-letter- ... ns-japan-0
justice shall prevail

The claim the comfort women were female !?

[matsuki]

im really satisfied with this. it means in fact a claim of japan side about comfort women is accepted among mainstream western japanologists.
https://networks.h-net.org/open-letter- ... ns-japan-0
justice shall prevail

What claim is that??

Some historians also dispute how directly the Japanese military was involved, and
whether women were coerced to become “comfort women.” Yet the evidence makes
clear that large numbers of women were held against their will and subjected to horrific
brutality. Employing legalistic arguments focused on particular terms or isolated
documents to challenge the victims’ testimony both misses the fundamental issue of their
brutalization and ignores the larger context of the inhumane system that exploited them

In his April address to the US Congress, Prime Minister Abe spoke of the
universal value of human rights, of the importance of human security, and of facing the
suffering that Japan caused other countries. We applaud these sentiments and urge the
Prime Minister to act boldly on all of them.

[Wage Slave]

Either Mt T can't read English or he's just trolling. Every single time he produces a document it says nothing like what he claims it says. Every time.

[Coligny]

Either Mt T can't read English or he's just trolling. Every single time he produces a document it says nothing like what he claims it says. Every time.

Ok, so it's not just me... Take either got shit for brain or do it on purpose... Why do we feed this idiot ?

[Takechanpoo]

seems like you guys still havent understand the essence of this issue.

have a good look at that statement does NOT refer to a large quantity of systematic kidnappings by J-soldiers(one day suddenly many j-soldiers came to a village and kidnapped korean or other asian women and forced them to sex slaves, etc blah blah....).
japan side never have denied the brutal treatment as whores, who were humantrafficed by private brokers(ironically most of them were korean japanese at that time) entrusted by the government. in other words its the japan sides claim from before. this statement consistents with it.
and the apology and compensation for it already were finished as you do know.

if so, what does it mean?
it means its not only japans business. there were the same system brothels in occupied japan for us soldiers and in koean war and vietnam war. as long as known so far.
and the same brutality of whores, too.

[Salty]

seems like you guys still havent understand the essence of this issue.

have a good look at that statement does NOT refer to a large quantity of systematic kidnappings by J-soldiers(one day suddenly many j-soldiers came to a village and kidnapped korean or other asian women and forced them to sex slaves, etc blah blah....).
japan side never have denied the brutal treatment as whores, who were humantrafficed by private brokers(ironically most of them were korean japanese at that time) entrusted by the government. in other words its the japan sides claim from before. this statement consistents with it.
and the apology and compensation for it already were finished as you do know.

if so, what does it mean?
it means its not only japans business. there were the same system brothels in occupied japan for us soldiers and in koean war and vietnam war. as long as known so far.
and the same brutality of whores, too.

But it does reference the transportation and management of the women by the Japanese military.

[matsuki]

Let's look at the situation from another angle shall we?

While J-nationalists are claiming the whole sex slave issue is tarnishing Japan's image/honor/etc. What happened can never be changed and emospaz-arguing about the details isn't accomplishing anything for either side. On the otherhand, what are the J-nationalists currently doing to Japan's image/honor/etc.? Bomb threats, death threats, going after children? (remember the recent Okinawa incident?)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/world ... nists.html

Threats of violence, Mr. Uemura says, have cost him one university teaching job and could soon rob him of a second. Ultranationalists have even gone after his children, posting Internet messages urging people to drive his teenage daughter to suicide.

The president of Hokusei Gakuen University, where Uemura teaches, has also received condemnations. Uemura said historical revisionists claimed the president was complicit with Uemura and that they would harm the students and instructors at the university if measures were not taken to remove Uemura from the campus.

“Abe is using The Asahi’s problems to intimidate other media into self-censorship,” said Jiro Yamaguchi, a political scientist who helped organize a petition to support Mr. Uemura. “This is a new form of McCarthyism.”

Hokusei Gakuen University, a small Christian college where Mr. Uemura lectures on local culture and history, said it was reviewing his contract because of bomb threats by ultranationalists. On a recent afternoon, some of Mr. Uemura’s supporters gathered to hear a sermon warning against repeating the mistakes of the dark years before the war, when the nation trampled dissent.

Mr. Uemura did not attend, explaining that he was now reluctant to appear in public. “This is the right’s way of threatening other journalists into silence,” he said. “They don’t want to suffer the same fate that I have.”

[Takechanpoo]

But it does reference the transportation and management of the women by the Japanese military.

you dont notice there is a logical leaping in what you said?
its a matter of course that the army protects and escorts the unarmed part of their units.

[matsuki]

But it does reference the transportation and management of the women by the Japanese military.

you dont notice there is a logical leaping in what you said?
its a matter of course that the army protects and escorts the unarmed part of their units.

So you're admiring the sex slaves were part of the army units?

[Takechanpoo]

it depends on the definition of sex slave.
if you call it sex slave just because of the cruel treatments as a prostitute, regardless of whether there were systematic kidnappings by j-soldiers or not, it will not be only japans business, as i said above. it means also the ones under occupied japan, korean war and vietnam war etc should be called sex slave and be denounced in the same way. but the related ppl keep zipping their mouths. that attitude is apparently "dont wake up a sleeping baby".

[kurogane]

But it does reference the transportation and management of the women by the Japanese military.

you dont notice there is a logical leaping in what you said?.

At least there is a logical in what he said, unlike some others around here. Great new avatar, though. Good fun.

Anyways, to recap for those still suffering from the burden of civilised thinking: any revealed inconsistency in the relevant argument completely negates the validity of said argument. I think it has to do with that Japanese conservative male fear of intellectual complexity, and the overload that logical consistency places on the pea brain contained therein. Ergo and sum, since it has been revealed that the shocking brutality of the Japanese Imperial Army's sex slave programme was not always and in every single case due to outright violent coercion Right Minds MUST agree that it was therefore per force not so in any case.



How's your foreheads now?

[Samurai_Jerk]

it depends on the definition of sex slave.
if you call it sex slave just because of the cruel treatments as a prostitute, regardless of whether there were systematic kidnappings by j-soldiers or not, it will not be only japans business, as i said above. it means also the ones under occupied japan, korean war and vietnam war etc should be called sex slave and be denounced in the same way. but the related ppl keep zipping their mouths. that attitude is apparently "dont wake up a sleeping baby".

If women in Japan, Korea, and Vietnam were systematically victimized in the same way, we can address that when they choose to demand justice. If you feel very strongly about it, start a movement to get that justice for them. However, even if what you say is true, it doesn't reduce Japan's guilt. If a cop gives me a speeding ticket and I see the same cop speeding a week later, I'm not going to be able to use that as a defense for my speeding. Maybe the cop is a hypocritical asshole but that doesn't change the fact that I was doing 120 on the highway.

Anyways, to recap for those still suffering from the burden of civilised thinking: any revealed inconsistency in the relevant argument completely negates the validity of said argument. I think it has to do with that Japanese conservative male fear of intellectual complexity, and the overload that logical consistency places on the pea brain contained therein. Ergo and sum, since it has been revealed that the shocking brutality of the Japanese Imperial Army's sex slave programme was not always and in every single case due to outright violent coercion Right Minds MUST agree that it was therefore per force not so in any case.

[Takechanpoo]

i never ever have tried to reduce the guilty of empire japan. just tried to confirm strictly what they actually did. any criminals have a right to deny what they did not and admit only what they actually did. its a matter of course in civilized societies, needless to say.
if you are suspected that got up to 160 km/h, hit and killed a man on the basis of false testimonies to trap and erase you socially,
you obediently admit it, eh? i guess you will desperately deny it and insist just got up to 120 km/h.
its very the thing japan side have been doing so far.

there is nothing except kimchee-smelling grannies testimonies to show whether there were systematic kidnappings by j-soldiers or not.
and their testimonies are inconsistent as refered in the above statement and in addition have been changed many times. frankly speaking they just are lying. at least it should be called lying in general. it means their testimonies has no competence as evidence.
if you recognize j-systematic kidnappings only by those kimchee grannies superficial pityfullnesses, its not worth to be regard as academism. its nothing more than fantasy.
j-govenment apologized and compensated toward the cruel treatments as whores of those k-grannies in 1965. so this issue already was fixed a long time ago. thank you.

[Salty]

There is no evidence that – not just Korean women and pubescent girls, but other nationalities too, were all whores. Your labeling them as such is desperate, small, and despicable. If only one of these woman was not a whore, and if only one of them was taken by force by the military, or even with simple knowledge of the military – Japan is blemished, and more so when it denies it.

Of course there were rapes and murders – in every war, and no doubt on every side, but that does not excuse Japan from the systematic brutality, and the onus to apologize for as long as it takes for the victims to be nauseated by the repeated apologies.

That Japan is weaseling on its collective guilt from a past regime that is renowned for its brutality against neighbors as well as its own population – is disgraceful, and not befit a modern nation. You – not the whores and non-whores who were brutalized, bring shame upon Japan.

[Takechanpoo]

If only one of these woman was not a whore, and if only one of them was taken by force by the military, or even with simple knowledge of the military – Japan is blemished, and more so when it denies it.

why the heck does woman always soon rush to extremes so much? eeh?


japan have not been weaseling anything about this issue. j-government already finished apologizing and compensating toward the brutal treatments for k-grannies inside the brothels in 1965. it was fixed as i said above. j-government does NOT need to do anything about this issue.
thank you again.

[Coligny]

Anyways, to recap for those still suffering from the burden of civilised thinking: any revealed inconsistency in the relevant argument completely negates the validity of said argument. I think it has to do with that Japanese conservative male fear of intellectual complexity, and the overload that logical consistency places on the pea brain contained therein. Ergo and sum, since it has been revealed that the shocking brutality of the Japanese Imperial Army's sex slave programme was not always and in every single case due to outright violent coercion Right Minds MUST agree that it was therefore per force not so in any case.



How's your foreheads now?

I can see a thread who could benefit from this after few alterashiunz...