2020 Japan Olympics

[kurogane]

He He He. Grossly ethnocentric, but right on for my money. Vancouver was a complete boondoggle in MYHOMO.
I would love to see the umbrage taken were that to be translated into Japanese.

[matsuki]

Article about the FIFA containing the following quote.

To borrow the example of another quadrennial athletic extravaganza, there's a reason why no one but autocrats want to host the Olympics anymore. As Timothy McGrath of Global Post has written, "Hosting the games has become such a massive, expensive, and unpopular chore that it's getting harder to convince anybody to do it." Except, of course, the regimes that use such events to disburse taxpayer funds to their henchmen and that need the prestige of sport to boost their tainted international reputations.

LOL

LOL, J-gov's SOP much?

[Taro Toporific]

The completion of new National Stadium likely delayed about eight months and may not be ready for the scheduled 2019 Rugby World Cup.

Unnecessary New National Stadium could cost to ¥250 bil.
The Yomiuri Shimbun, June 05, 2015
It may cost as much as about ¥250 billion to build the new National Stadium....substantially higher than the previously targeted cost of about ¥162.5 billion.
The Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry and others will try to curtail the total cost and shorten the construction period by delaying the installment of a retractable roof until after the 2020 Games and by replacing movable seats with temporary ones...
...As the completion of the stadium will likely be delayed about eight months from the initial target of March 2019, it may not be ready for the Rugby World Cup scheduled to be held in September 2019.
Amid these circumstances, the ministry and the JSC proposed a plan to curb the cost by replacing 15,000 movable seats among the 80,000 seats at the stadium with temporary and removable seats (aka folding chairs) .
More horseshit...

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[Mike Oxlong]

That ought to lift the spirits of those displaced Tohoku residents still in temporary housing.

[Russell]

On an unrelated note, I wonder if the voting procedures for the Olympics candidacy resemble those of FIFA, if you know what I mean...

[Takechanpoo]

this monkey, an emperor of j-architect circle, is to be blamed for employing zaha

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this dotard, typically a rogai(老害), likes the designs sacrificing user-friendliness and durability like his own ones.

this guys and his followers is thinking to fire zaha(is she called "queen unbuild"?)
just do it as soon as possible

[pheyton]

The completion of new National Stadium likely delayed about eight months and may not be ready for the scheduled 2019 Rugby World Cup.

Unnecessary New National Stadium could cost to ¥250 bil.
The Yomiuri Shimbun, June 05, 2015
It may cost as much as about ¥250 billion to build the new National Stadium....substantially higher than the previously targeted cost of about ¥162.5 billion.
The Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry and others will try to curtail the total cost and shorten the construction period by delaying the installment of a retractable roof until after the 2020 Games and by replacing movable seats with temporary ones...
...As the completion of the stadium will likely be delayed about eight months from the initial target of March 2019, it may not be ready for the Rugby World Cup scheduled to be held in September 2019.
Amid these circumstances, the ministry and the JSC proposed a plan to curb the cost by replacing 15,000 movable seats among the 80,000 seats at the stadium with temporary and removable seats (aka folding chairs) .
More horseshit...

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Rugby fans + temporary/movable seats + alcohol = what could possibly go wrong?

[Wage Slave]

Rugby fans + temporary/movable seats + alcohol = what could possibly go wrong?

Er, did you mean football fans rather than rugby fans? I don't think there has been a single incident of crowd trouble at an international rugby match. In fact I can't recall a single case of crowd trouble at any rugby match. A different game and different culture entirely.

But that's not the point. For once I agree with Mr T. If that design can't be built with a roof and the proper seats for over 2 billion dollars and within 5 years, then it's not fit for purpose. Get a new design and now. It's absurd.

[Coligny]

+1 but i didn't knew it was somewhat universal. Just thought it was because of lack of interest in France.
Volley/handball also quite calm spectator wyse... But usually indoor so less spectators/space and opportunity to set the place on fire.

[Wage Slave]

Of course there's another possibility. If that is the design you really want and the cosy clique of contractors it has been handed to lack the necessary experience and skills to build it on budget and on time then it's time for a little competitive tendering which would include non Japanese firms. In most advanced countries that would be a given. It isn't really critical important who builds it - focus on the main objective which is how you are going to use it, manage it and profit from it for the next 50 years or so.

[Yokohammer]

Of course there's another possibility. If that is the design you really want and the cosy clique of contractors it has been handed to lack the necessary experience and skills to build it on budget and on time then it's time for a little competitive tendering which would include non Japanese firms. In most advanced countries that would be a given. It isn't really critical important who builds it - focus on the main objective which is how you are going to use it, manage it and profit from it for the next 50 years or so.

If only ...

Short-term profit and cronyism always trump long-term vision.

Middle-aged pols and bureaucrats couldn't give a flying fuck about 50 years hence.

[Samurai_Jerk]

+1 but i didn't knew it was somewhat universal. Just thought it was because of lack of interest in France.
Volley/handball also quite calm spectator wyse... But usually indoor so less spectators/space and opportunity to set the place on fire.

It probably has something to do with the socioeconomic level of Rugby players and fans in most countries.

[Wage Slave]

+1 but i didn't knew it was somewhat universal. Just thought it was because of lack of interest in France.
Volley/handball also quite calm spectator wyse... But usually indoor so less spectators/space and opportunity to set the place on fire.

It probably has something to do with the socioeconomic level of Rugby players and fans in most countries.

Yes, exactly.

[Samurai_Jerk]

+1 but i didn't knew it was somewhat universal. Just thought it was because of lack of interest in France.
Volley/handball also quite calm spectator wyse... But usually indoor so less spectators/space and opportunity to set the place on fire.

It probably has something to do with the socioeconomic level of Rugby players and fans in most countries.

Yes, exactly.

Do you get many riots at fox hunts?

[kurogane]

Fox hunts are a riot of a different sort, namely a laugh riot: the unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable Monty Python couldn't make that shit up. I have always found Cdn rugby fans to be intolerable laddish boors, but at least they're not thugs. The best American analogy would be snooty golf fans????

[Wage Slave]

+1 but i didn't knew it was somewhat universal. Just thought it was because of lack of interest in France.
Volley/handball also quite calm spectator wyse... But usually indoor so less spectators/space and opportunity to set the place on fire.

It probably has something to do with the socioeconomic level of Rugby players and fans in most countries.

Yes, exactly.

Do you get many riots at fox hunts?

Actually, serious crowd trouble is pretty much restricted to football. And not only in the UK. Horseracing, greyhound racing and other sports attract plenty of the lower orders but rarely cause problems.

And of course in Wales and New Zealand, rugby union is the most popular game across the socioeconomic range. In Wales, there's never trouble at rugby matches but there is often trouble at football matches. It will be interesting to see if crowd trouble appears in the US as the game gains momentum.

Something about football, or they way it is organised - what exactly I am not sure.

[kurogane]

I think it's the ingrained subculture of violence and organised hooliganism that helps perpetuate it, but the underlying factor is probably the wide appeal it has always had for the lumpenproles, who really are a special breed of filth. I rarely fully enjoyed a match in Edinburgh due to That Ilk and that town is as posh as any I have ever heard of. Also, let's not forget that for most above polite working class born until about the 60s football was a guilty pleasure not an honest enjoyment. None of my better friends at Edinburgh would even admit to knowing a team, never mind to enjoying it. Here in Canada, and maybe the US as well, soccer is a mostly middle class thing. Proles watch runny jumpy throwy football (aka fat men in tights). Or truck racing and dog fights.

[matsuki]

Idiots are everywhere...

[Coligny]

I think it's the ingrained subculture of violence and organised hooliganism that helps perpetuate it, but the underlying factor is probably the wide appeal it has always had for the lumpenproles, who really are a special breed of filth. I rarely fully enjoyed a match in Edinburgh due to That Ilk and that town is as posh as any I have ever heard of. Also, let's not forget that for most above polite working class born until about the 60s football was a guilty pleasure not an honest enjoyment. None of my better friends at Edinburgh would even admit to knowing a team, never mind to enjoying it. Here in Canada, and maybe the US as well, soccer is a mostly middle class thing. Proles watch runny jumpy throwy football (aka fat men in tights). Or truck racing and dog fights.

I somehow doubt that american untermensch knows aboot truck racing...

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[matsuki]

Those trucks look awesome...but can't imagine it's fun to watch them race until the collisions begin.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Here in Canada, and maybe the US as well, soccer is a mostly middle class thing.

I think immigration is changing things but soccer was the sport of middle class and above white kids (and their upwardly mobile preppy Asian banana neighbors) when I was growing up (Hence the vomit-inducing term "soccer mom"). In elementary school we used to make fun of the kids who played soccer since we thought it was kind of a fag sport. When I was on JET a cute Chinese-American girl was wearing Umbro soccer shorts one day and my English friend thought it was funny because that was a brand for football hooligans. He was pretty surprised to hear that in America is was popular with rich suburban girls when they were going casual. I think they're probably out of fashion now though since they don't let enough ass cheek hang out. Kids today I tell ya.

I've always associate Rugby in America with schools like Harvard.

[matsuki]

I think immigration is changing things but soccer was the sport of middle class and above white kids (and their upwardly mobile preppy Asian banana neighbors) when I was growing up (Hence the vomit-inducing term "soccer mom")

Definitely depends on where you grew up. Was just popular overall in California, regardless of race....but after middle school, not so much.

Ice hockey was more of a "middle/upper class white thing." I remember how weird it got when we played against teams that had celeb children on them. OMG! It's Goldie Hawn! Hey, isn't that Rick Dees? I think that's OJ's lawyer? The weirdest was a tournament I played in Burbank where Ronald Reagan showed up (well, physically...mentally...ehhhh) with some secret servicemen.

Though only Kuro's place of residents seem to get too crazy after a game....

[Samurai_Jerk]

I thought hockey was for Canadians and scumbag Plastic Paddies.

[wagyl]

Well, he did mention Reagan.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I don't think Reagan qualified since he didn't wear his heritage on his sleeve.

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[matsuki]

I thought hockey was for Canadians and scumbag Plastic Paddies.

LOL, Canadians, and "fake Irish" indeed but my point was the locale...as diverse as LA is, it's still pretty dominated by well off white people.

http://www.pickwickgardens.com/

(though apparently too poor to afford bandwidth?)

[Samurai_Jerk]

I thought hockey was for Canadians and scumbag Plastic Paddies.

LOL, Canadians, and "fake Irish" indeed but my point was the locale...as diverse as LA is, it's still pretty dominated by well off white people.

http://www.pickwickgardens.com/

(though apparently too poor to afford bandwidth?)

I grew up in an heavily Irish neighborhood in NYC and pretty much all of the dudes played hockey. Same with all the dudes I knew from other Irish neighborhoods in the city. When they weren't at the rink they were on roller blades in the park.

[matsuki]

I thought hockey was for Canadians and scumbag Plastic Paddies.

LOL, Canadians, and "fake Irish" indeed but my point was the locale...as diverse as LA is, it's still pretty dominated by well off white people.

http://www.pickwickgardens.com/

(though apparently too poor to afford bandwidth?)

I grew up in an heavily Irish neighborhood in NYC and pretty much all of the dudes played hockey. Same with all the dudes I knew from other Irish neighborhoods in the city. When they weren't at the rink they were on roller blades in the park.

Seems about right for the east coast. Problem with sunny so cal was the lack of rinks (well, they existed but were really shitty) and the cost to play. Now that it's grown, I think there are far more people playing and it's more diverse. (that being said, my injun father is the one who was a fan and pushed us into it)

[Russell]

Tokyo 2020 leaders unveil new round of venue changes, but Bach wants National Stadium issues resolved

International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Thomas Bach today urged Japanese leaders to resolve issues surrounding the new National Stadium that will form the centrepiece of the Tokyo 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games, as officials unveiled further venue changes expected to bring overall savings to $1.7 billion (£1.1 billion/€1.5 bllion)

Bach used the occasion of the latest progress report by Tokyo 2020 to the IOC’s Executive Board in Lausanne to express concerns that continued adverse media reports might cast a shadow over preparations for the Games.

Delays and rising costs have led to reports that the planned retractable roof might not be installed until after the Games, and even that the stadium might not be ready in time for the 2019 Rugby World Cup.

Addressing the media after making their report, Yoshirō Mori, Tokyo 2020 President, and Toshirō Mutō, the chief executive, set out a new series of venue changes affecting seven sports.

As previously reported by insidethegames, badminton is to move to the Musashino Forest Sport Centre, while water polo will now be staged at the Tatsumi International Swimming Centre.

Fencing, taekwondo and wrestling, the three sports displaced from the Tokyo Big Sight halls as a consequence of a reconfiguration to the International Broadcasting Centre (IBC), will now be staged at the Makuhari Messe convention centre in Chiba.

With the scrapping of plans to build a new Olympic sailing marina next to Tokyo Gate Bridge in Tokyo Bay, sailing will now take place at the Enoshima Yacht Harbour, the location used for the 1964 Olympic sailing event.

Finally, rugby sevens will move out of the National Stadium to Tokyo Stadium, in a move attributed to an expansion of the time allotted to the sport from two to six days of competition.

While asserting that the IOC’s Agenda 2020 reform programme had provided “a welcome tailwind” driving the Japanese capital to the successful delivery of the 2020 Games, Japanese officials also confirmed that no acceptable solution had yet been agreed for cycling.

Muto told journalists that those concerned would keep “working closely together” and were continuing to have discussions.

“What we are proposing is quite close to the spirit in Agenda 2020,” Muto said.

International Cycling Union (UCI) President Brian Cookson has described the proposal to move track, mountain biking and BMX venues around 150 kilometres away from Tokyo to the city of Izu as something they are “not happy” about.

He has conceded however, that he would be prepared to accept the velodrome switch, so long as the proposed venue undergoes renovation to substantially increase its capacity from current attendance levels of 1,500.

The Tokyo 2020 leaders stated that the aim was now to find an acceptable solution for the sport in time for the next IOC Executive Board meeting in Kuala Lumpur next month.

Link

Quite a bit of relocation being done, methinks.

Couldn't they think of that before?

[kurogane]

The skate heads should be thanking every god ever worshipped that feckin' lame kids' hobbies are Olympic Sports. BMX!!!???? How did tiddlywinks get left out? And when is nicky knocky 9 doors and Dungeons and Dragons finally going to enjoy their moment on the podium???? The IOC.......leading the charade with its head stuffed firmly up its ass.

BOT: yeah, those are quite the 'minor venue alterations' ( ), even though they actually seem to make sense by our own earlier cries for rational re-use of existing facilities. As to why now, I would blame it on the giddy honeymoon enthusiasm of the recently remarried ageing ex-supermodel that was critically deflated when she found out the new husband she so shamelessly wooed has a gigantic barbed penis that doesn't fit in her mothballed woohooo.

But maybe not....................

I believe Vancouver took a fair bit of stick for having the ski type venues fully 120 km from Vancouver, and perhaps Turin as well, but that does seem to be accepted procedure lately. The logistics in Vancouver worked out like a feckin' dream, btw, so it is doable.