Hashimoto: no sex slaves please, we're Japanese

[Takechanpoo]

escorting whores by soldiers in battleground or semi-battleground is regarded as systematically kidnapping them? eh?
its really "humanitarian" way of interpretation.
i really think so from the bottom of my heart, yeah!

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[matsuki]

escorting whores by soldiers in battleground or semi-battleground is regarded as systematically kidnapping them? eh?
its really "humanitarian" way of interpretation.
i really think so from the bottom of my heart, yeah!

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Yeah...they look really happy to be there

Some people “try to deny what is obvious to everybody, or try to play it down by saying (other countries) have done similar things. I have keenly felt the damage such an attitude has done to the honor of the Japanese people,” Kono said.

Indeed, this "attitude" is pretty much the most damaging to Japan's image.

[Mike Oxlong]

Abe tried to buy evidence of war crimes from collector in Taiwan

Japan's prime minister, Shinzo Abe, sought to buy more than 1,000 historical documents that testify to Japanese atrocities from a Taiwanese collector before they were donated to a Beijing museum, reports Duowei News, a US-based Chinese political news outlet.

Taiwanese artist and philanthropist Hsu Po-yih claimed Abe dispatched several envoys to procure the archive, which is said to offer proof of Japanese war crimes during Taiwan's colonial era and Japan's invasion of China during the 1930s and 1940s.

According to Hsu, Japanese authorities continued to attempt to contact him after learning that he intended to donate the documents to the Overseas Chinese History Museum, once sending several wealthy business executives offering a hefty payment in return for the archive.

"They promised me money but I refused. Later they wanted the documents to exhibit them in Japan — perhaps this was an attempt to steal them," Hsu was quoted as saying by Beijing News.

The documents, most of which are in Japanese or compiled by Japanese, include books, newspapers, photos and bonds, as well as scripts documenting Japan's recruitment in Taiwan and military currencies. The items were selected from Hsu's massive collection — totaling eight depositories — in Taiwan over the period of three months from March this year.

The collection will be on display in Beijing from July 7, the anniversary of the Lugou or Marco Polo Bridge Incident in 1937 which marked the start of the fulls-scale invasion of China proper. The Second Sino-Japanese War would later become a theater of World War II with the US entry into the Pacific war and end with the Japanese surrender in 1945.

The Abe administration has been accused of seeking to downplay the scale of Japanese war crimes during the conflict, in particular on the issue of "comfort women," the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of women mainly from Korea and China who were forced into sexual slavery at Japanese military brothels.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subc ... uffer1243b

[Yokohammer]

If this is true it's another very stupid move on the part of Abe and his cronies. The chances that this sort of ploy will fail and backfire are extremely high. When they do Japan ends up with even more egg on its face.


~ Tapatalking ~

[Takechanpoo]

guys think japan would burn it if got it? no way.
at least japan better have the documents rather than the despotic country has. and needless to say, its precious data to know what really happened in the era of taiwan.
this article is biased as always

[kurogane]

Only pure Archimedean Objective article is true. Like that which make by Uyoku and his deep suck mouth whore Yoshiko Sakurai. Because is pride, but also fact.Pride is always make more than fact. Long live the false Chimera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Salty]

guys think japan would burn it if got it? no way.
at least japan better have the documents rather than the despotic country has. and needless to say, its precious data to know what really happened in the era of taiwan.
this article is biased as always

Then Japan should be happy – since they didn`t need to pay anything. After it is displayed in China, maybe Japan should request that China copy it all so that Japan can put those copies on display here, and also add them to the school text books, and even make additional copies for museums and researchers around the world.

[kurogane]

OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh. Clever. Very, very clever. I always knew I'd like you.........

[matsuki]

I dunno, Chinese d00d turning down "a hefty payment?"

[Coligny]

On par with the Talibans destroying historic sites...

[Salty]

I dunno, Chinese d00d turning down "a hefty payment?"

Yes - but they get to make copies... a new experience for them, no?

[matsuki]

I dunno, Chinese d00d turning down "a hefty payment?"

Yes - but they get to make copies... a new experience for them, no?

Touche...I hope they all get scanned and posted online. If the Abe story has any truth to it, there should be some juicy stuff in there.

[dimwit]

guys think japan would burn it if got it? no way.
at least japan better have the documents rather than the despotic country has. and needless to say, its precious data to know what really happened in the era of taiwan.
this article is biased as always

Burn it. No. They would bury it in a filling cabinet and use some pretext of it being against the national interest to prevent it from being released. Although some of the less refined LDPers would prefer the traditional method of burning documents that harks back to the time of the surrender.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_new ... 1308310015

[Takechanpoo]

the story of burning some documents around the surrender is half true but half wrong.
its said that threre are still tons of uninvestigated documents in the warehouse of ministry of HLW and MEXT and others.
actually another new documents about comfort women and others are found intermittently by historians.
especially about ones of comfort women, i guess there are many the documents left in there. because japan side hadnt regard it as a serious issue before korea side started making a fuss in 80s.

[Salty]

... its said that threre are still tons of uninvestigated documents in the warehouse of ministry of HLW and MEXT and others...

Yikes - so these issues are likely to continue to confront us for years to come.... not good.

[Salty]

... its said that threre are still tons of uninvestigated documents in the warehouse of ministry of HLW and MEXT and others...

Yikes - so these issues are likely to continue to confront us for years to come.... not good.

Oh - wait.... When have you heard of new revelations comming out of these vast archives? We`re good - once set aside, never examined.

[Takechanpoo]

there are mainly 3 positions about comfort women issue.
1. kidnapping in the narrow sense = j-soldiers directly kidnapped hundreds of thousands of screaming asian women by physical enforcement and forced them to work as sex slaves
2. kidnapping in the broad sense = j-soldiers transported sex slaves collected by consigned local brokers and forced them to work in the brothels managed by j-army
3. no kidnapping at all = j-soldiers just escorted prostitutes collected by consigned local brokers to brothels managed by j-army because there were armed robberies here and there at the time of asia

there is just a difference of interpretation between 2 and 3. the two positions basically coincide on what happened in reality.
its only the position 2 and 3 which the solid and consistent testimonies, diaries and documents exist and is found intermittently.
it seems like Kono statement is based on the position 2.

its only the guys with political intention, superficial liberals and freaks who support the position 1.
and needless to say korea side is based on the position 1.

[Takechanpoo]

if you regard comfort women as sex slave by the interpretation of the position 2, this issue will not only japans business.

[Wage Slave]

if you regard comfort women as sex slave by the interpretation of the position 2, this issue will not only japans business.

You have a point - Arguably countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia and such are engaging in a form of state sanctioned slavery to this day. And it's true that bonded labour has a long and inglorious history. And there are criminal gangs engaged in a similar form of sex slavery to this day. But they are criminal gangs.

However, I don't think you can point to any example of another military engaging in the sex trade. It was only the Japanese Imperial Army that felt it was a right and proper way to meet the needs of their soldiers.

That isn't to say other soldiers were perfectly behaved - far from it. And I would accept that the command chose to turn a blind eye to rape on far too many occasions. Especially by the allies when they were fighting their way into Germany. It's that true no-one is innocent but that doesn't get anyone off the hook for their crimes.

[Russell]

if you regard comfort women as sex slave by the interpretation of the position 2, this issue will not only japans business.

You have a point - Arguably countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia and such are engaging in a form of state sanctioned slavery to this day. And it's true that bonded labour has a long and inglorious history. And there are criminal gangs engaged in a similar form of sex slavery to this day. But they are criminal gangs.

However, I don't think you can point to any example of another military engaging in the sex trade.

ISIS, Boko Haram,...

Then again, who wants to be compared to them?

[Takechanpoo]

i at least understand your personal impression about this issue, w-slave. thx

but in fact the ones under occupied japan for meriken soldiers, the ones under korean war and vietnam war(recently the official documents of this vietnam ones was found by a j-journalist in merica) are STRUCTURALLY the same with the ones of empire japan.

i do hope you face it squarely.

[Samurai_Jerk]

i at least understand your personal impression about this issue, w-slave. thx

but in fact the ones under occupied japan for meriken soldiers, the ones under korean war and vietnam war(recently the official documents of this vietnam ones was found by a j-journalist in merica) are STRUCTURALLY the same with the ones of empire japan.

i do hope you face it squarely.

Even if you're 100% correct that doesn't let Japan off the hook. If I murder my ex and her fuck buddy, I can't use the but-OJ-did-it defense.

[Wage Slave]

i at least understand your personal impression about this issue, w-slave. thx

but in fact the ones under occupied japan for meriken soldiers, the ones under korean war and vietnam war(recently the official documents of this vietnam ones was found by a j-journalist in merica) are STRUCTURALLY the same with the ones of empire japan.

i do hope you face it squarely.

Let's see the evidence - However, I don't think there any evidence that the US military recruited sex workers by whatever means, transported them and then proceeded to organise them into brothels for their soldiers anywhere.

As for Japan under occupation, the brothels were not set up by the US military - They didn't like the idea from the outset. It was the Japanese side that was keen and organised them in response to worries about and actual rape by American soldiers. After a limited number and a limited time the US military ordered them closed.

Russell is right. It's true that ISIS and Boku Haram do this sort of thing too which gives an idea of how it is viewed by the rest of us. It's more Albanian mafia territory really.

[kurogane]

I would certainly agree that the US and whomever else did such dastardly things is equally morally guilty. But that still comes back to the finest rejoinder available for the typical panty twisted Japanese finger pointing rebuttals:

Are you 8 years old!!???

The fact that Japan has faced up to their misdeeds shows in many important ways (Dai-9 Joken, Mamore!!!!!!!!) how much of a better nation it is than the as yet unrepentant war criminal nations like the US and the UK, etc., and the fact that having being made to do so rankles and angers some Japanese shows what witless diaper jockeys some Japanese really are. Not that I am opposed to the literal wearing of diapers, only the figurative version.

[Takechanpoo]

you guys fuking dont read written-by-difficult-japanese articles and books in spite of living in japan for a long time. it makes me feel like grabbing your ear and swinging it. so i have to take the troublbe to find english version ones for you bitches.
it looks like nobody still hasnt find the official documents to show there was a "request", accurately an order to have brotherls for us-soldiers from GHQ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreatio ... ssociation


by the way,
this veteran gaijin dude, kuromanko, even dont know the difference between just pretending to be intelligent and really being intelligent.
as always, your comments are just like the ones of the students around 20 years old, in which they uselessly try using suggestive and roundabout wording and think doing itself is intelligent things. but nobody understands what they really want to mean exactly. if you still are a student, this kind of things will be tolerated. but you already.......
well, just comment in japanese and you too will look like 8 years old. guarantee.

[Russell]

you guys fuking dont read written-by-difficult-japanese articles and books in spite of living in japan for a long time. it makes me feel like grabbing your ear and swinging it. so i have to take the troublbe to find english version ones for you bitches.
it looks like nobody still hasnt find the official documents to show there was a "request", accurately an order to have brotherls for us-soldiers from GHQ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreatio ... ssociation


by the way,
this veteran gaijin dude, kuromanko, even dont know the difference between just pretending to be intelligent and really being intelligent.
as always, your comments are just like the ones of the students around 20 years old, in which they uselessly try using suggestive and roundabout wording and think doing itself is intelligent things. but nobody understands what they really want to mean exactly. if you still are a student, this kind of things will be tolerated. but you already.......
well, just comment in japanese and you too will look like 8 years old. guarantee.

Guess what your perceived age is at this forum...

[Wage Slave]

you guys fuking dont read written-by-difficult-japanese articles and books in spite of living in japan for a long time. it makes me feel like grabbing your ear and swinging it. so i have to take the troublbe to find english version ones for you bitches.
it looks like nobody still hasnt find the official documents to show there was a "request", accurately an order to have brotherls for us-soldiers from GHQ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreatio ... ssociation


by the way,
this veteran gaijin dude, kuromanko, even dont know the difference between just pretending to be intelligent and really being intelligent.
as always, your comments are just like the ones of the students around 20 years old, in which they uselessly try using suggestive and roundabout wording and think doing itself is intelligent things. but nobody understands what they really want to mean exactly. if you still are a student, this kind of things will be tolerated. but you already.......
well, just comment in japanese and you too will look like 8 years old. guarantee.

So no evidence at all then. But you still attempt to assert it as fact. Understood and dismissed.

You are right about Kuro though. And I don't think he would argue except like an eight year old.

[Takechanpoo]

So no evidence at all then.

it will sound like netouyos comment if you are japanese. "no way! coz no official document!"
if the testimonies are consistent, its no problem to take it as evidences.
its confirmed through testimonies there were oral requests, accurately "orders" from GHQ guys to have brothels to prevent merican soldiers to rape innocent j-women as mush as possible. there is just a difference whether the customers are j-soldiers or merican soldiers.


by the way, there is an interesting contrast.
in the case of japans one, you guys try to decide there is no doubt empire japan kidnapped innocent women and made them sex slaves, while there still remains to be doubtful "evidences" to show it.
but on the other hand in the case of usa and the other westerns, you dudes regard it as ridiculous and try to deny the same kind of cases on the ground of no official documents. are you guys netouyo? eh?

[Wage Slave]

Don't talk rubbish. If there was a shred of credible evidence for this story then it would still be available because destruction of records had ceased by that time and destruction of records wasn't ever an American policy. It's possible that certain American commanders privately may have thought the idea had some merit but it was never formally requested and it will never be formally requested. Just like now, it is far more credible that the pressure to do something like this came from the Japanese side. Wasn't that idiot who is/was the mayor of Osaka pressurising the Americans on just this issue not long ago? Same old story. A certain Japanese male thinking is that it is a good pragmatic response to an ingrained and perennial problem. Others, apart from ISIS and such, acknowledge that but reject it on absolute moral grounds (pimping) and also on the grounds that the recruitment/management process is far too likely to generate abuse and exploitation. Aka slavery.

By the time you are also involved in transporting the women under guard to war zones and placing them in your commercial enterprises, the moral hazard has become extreme.

Now get back to having a go at Kuro. You are on much stronger ground there.

[kurogane]

Now get back to having a go at Kuro. You are on much stronger ground there.

寝た虎を起こすとバカでさえも命の危険がわかる。十五郎君は最後支度甘かったが、懸命の時は確かだった　

For the life of me I cannot imagine why you guys engage with this guy as though he is mentally an adult, or a Japanese. And the great irony is I have already acknowledged that Your Countries are every bit as guilty as His. The one great blind spot of both UKers and States'ers is this childish inabilty to admit you make the Japanese look like amateurs when it comes to raping and killing. Which isn't to say you're not mostly rather likeable peoples, as are They. Just that you're as black as Germans when it comes to historic crimes.