Environmentalists pursue Japan's whalers

[Grumpy Gramps]

Gaijinyaki restaurants will sping open and Japanese cookery tv shows will finally have lots of new recipes to segooooooi about.

[kurogane]

Well, they better get up to speed on a replacement meat (Gramps for Grampus??) because the old standby might be getting scarcerer and scarcerer

https://news.vice.com/article/politicia ... d-dolphins

From what I read of the issue it seems a resonable enough proposal, and similar to the recent WAZA-JAZA decisions these efforts of late seem very well orcastrated.

[Wage Slave]

From what I read of the issue it seems a resonable enough proposal, and similar to the recent WAZA-JAZA decisions these efforts of late seem very well orcastrated.

Yes. What stubborn old fools in certain quarters don't seem to understand is they are pretty much in a minority of one. It's not that Australia and NZ have decided it is a good idea to create a marine reserve down there it is that the international community has decided its a good idea - with China and Russia being less keen than the rest. The other two still whaling nations are prepared to co-operate with the rest of the world and agree there is no need to hunt whales in that reserve. Only an unrepresentative clique in Japan see a need to tell the rest of the world to get stuffed and hunt in the reserve as if it were any other bit of ocean.

To that end they are prepared to spend vast amounts of a fiscally challenged government's money on buying votes from small nations, on a grossly oversized whaling fleet that is producing meat for which there is no demand and even buying unneeded meat from Iceland presumably in an attempt to curry favour.

If we have any chance of achieving anything for the benefit of all humanity rather than just one group then it relies on a certain sense of solidarity. Everyone else agrees not to hunt whales in that reserve - except one country. And that country is thousands of kilometres from that reserve, can hunt whales elsewhere and can't eat the whale meat they have already stockpiled.

[Yokohammer]

From what I read of the issue it seems a resonable enough proposal, and similar to the recent WAZA-JAZA decisions these efforts of late seem very well orcastrated.

Yes. What stubborn old fools in certain quarters don't seem to understand is they are pretty much in a minority of one. It's not that Australia and NZ have decided it is a good idea to create a marine reserve down there it is that the international community has decided its a good idea - with China and Russia being less keen than the rest. The other two still whaling nations are prepared to co-operate with the rest of the world and agree there is no need to hunt whales in that reserve. Only an unrepresentative clique in Japan see a need to tell the rest of the world to get stuffed and hunt in the reserve as if it were any other bit of ocean.

To that end they are prepared to spend vast amounts of a fiscally challenged government's money on buying votes from small nations, on a grossly oversized whaling fleet that is producing meat for which there is no demand and even buying unneeded meat from Iceland presumably in an attempt to curry favour.

If we have any chance of achieving anything for the benefit of all humanity rather than just one group then it relies on a certain sense of solidarity. Everyone else agrees not to hunt whales in that reserve - except one country. And that country is thousands of kilometres from that reserve, can hunt whales elsewhere and can't eat the whale meat they have already stockpiled.

What he said.

Although I will add "short-sighted" and "self-serving" to "stubborn" in the above.
These are people who don't give a flying fcuk about anyone or anything other than personal status and gain.

[matsuki]

You forgot "garner support from local nationalist by trying to portray it as a cultural issue."

I'm not really against keeping whales and dolphins in captivity. There are legit scientific reasons for it. As far as entertainment goes, I think it serves a greater purpose than just giving people a few minutes of wow. Don't a % of revenue generated go towards research and preservation? Doesn't seeing the animals up close give people interest/appreciation/respect for the animals? Obviously the conditions of captivity are important but I think it would be a big loss to just write it off as "entertainment" and ban it.

According to the Born Free Foundation, 63 countries currently hold cetaceans in captivity, with the highest numbers found in Japan.

Are there really that many dolphin shows here? Always hearing how shitty the zoo's are doing so find it hard to believe there are that many in captivity....unless they're subsidized by the j-gov? ( I mean, gov allowing them to give money to the government butt buddies who capture them is pretty much SOP here)

[Takechanpoo]

no ones give a direct answer to my questions. you guys just avoid to do it and shift the point of issue.
this issues essence is that why the fuck only whale.
its matter of course you become stubborn if someone demand unpersuasive demands.

which remote places or close ones is totally unrelated with whether hunting fishes is allowed or not.
internatinal water is international water, as i said above. you even dont know pelagic fishery?
japan just hunt UNendangered animals within the range not to force them to endangered in legal places.
why is it regard as self-serving? actually they need to reduce the haul to the real demand, though.

the main target is apparently whale to set antarctic to an untachable sanctuary.
because the other animals are also widely seen around the arctic area.
"coz many ppl approve iiitt!!!"
regarding democracy as majority decision is a classical mistake.
democracy is respecting every individual values, NOT majority decision.

again, why the fuk only whale???

[Yokohammer]

no ones give a direct answer to my questions. you guys just avoid to do it and shift the point of issue.
this issues essence is that why the fuck only whale.

No, Takechan, that is not the essence of the issue.

It doesn't matter whether it's whales or dolphins or barnacles, the issue is that Japan's whaling association has lied and engaged in deceptive, underhanded practices to shore up a whaling industry that is way too large for the domestic demand and ends up being a burden on the country and its people.

You can't eat pride, you know.

Even the International Court of Justice has upheld the widely held understanding that Japan's "research whaling" line is a load of bullshit. You see, Takechan, that sort of bullshit simply does not fly in the international community. Neither does extending financial aid to landlocked countries to buy votes at the IWC. It's lies, deception, and bullshit, all to provide taxpayer-funded profit for a small and outdated industry that has long been a prime "amakudari" destination for bureaucrats.

Some people might believe whales are sacred or something, but just about everyone here on FG would be perfectly happy if Japan did limited whaling in local waters. Just enough to feed the need. It's the lies and deception that are really screwing up Japan's reputation. It's stupid, Takechan. It's a huge waste of resources. And whining and kicking like a spoilt child about how Japan is special, has a special culture, and should be treated specially is especially repugnant to the vast majority of international citizens. If Japan has an issue with something the international community has agreed on, it is welcome to address the issue honestly and with logical integrity that the international community can understand. Of course that doesn't mean Japan will always get what it wants. And when Japan doesn't get what it wants the absolute worst thing to do is to try and get it through subterfuge.

That is the core issue for me and a helluva lot of other people. Trying to make it an "oh the poor whales" issue is just another form of deception. Just stop the bullshit.

[matsuki]

Trying to make it an "oh the poor whales" issue is just another form of deception. Just stop the bullshit.

Indeed, I've ordered whale bacon and katsu plenty of times. Nothing spectacular but I'm fine eating it.

Take - think of it like the butter situation, bunch of amakudari fucks running shit with lies, excuses, and bribes....all to siphon government money off to their cronies.

[kurogane]

Yeah, the endangered species argument hasn't flown for years, but the toxic levels of waste and corruption make it well, a waste, as Wage Slave summarised so nicely above. One more thing, the lack of any real demand for whale meat and the plentiful stocks on hand means they are now just hunting for sport, mostly out of peevish snivelling, and that means it is demonstrably and childishly cruel. The only possible justification for killing anything, never mind a higher being, must be need or demand. Doing it out of spite really does expose that self-indulgent simian sadism that festers in the bellies of so many Japanese men. The spirit of Japanese POW camps lives on...........

The only negative thing about ending or at least suspending the outer water whale hunt is that it reduces opportunities to tell fat Meddling Class white people to go fuck themselves, but I would happily forego that simple pleasure if I knew it would free Willy.

[Takechanpoo]

the last period of edo era, mericans hunted huge amount of whales to use the fat content as fuel
and the amount dropped sharply in north pacific. its the reason j-boats hunt whales in antarctic, not north pacific near japan.

japan easily agreed with the ban of commercial whaling by iwc in 1972. its japans fault.
and since it, japan has done whaling under the name of research whaling. its apparently a deception. i honestly agree.
just remove the ban of commercial whaling in antarctic and make the rigid haul restriction based on real demand
and the rules to impose strict sanctions if japan break it.
then it will be fixed all.

and about bureaucrat things, whale cultists should notice their religious demands work as to preserve or enforce j-bureaucrats concessions.
their extreme demands have made an atomosphere for j-nationals and j-politicians to be hard to criticize it. enemy of their enemy is their friend.

[matsuki]

just remove the ban of commercial whaling in antarctic and make the rigid haul restriction based on real demand
and the rules to impose strict sanctions if japan break it.
then it will be fixed all.

You realize that if they did this, it would effectively end whaling? There is enough frozen kujira in Japan to last a decade....and I don't think all the "talent" and "geinojin" in Japan saying "oishiii" and "umai," while scarfing it down, would increase demand.

[Wage Slave]

the last period of edo era, mericans hunted huge amount of whales to use the fat content as fuel
and the amount dropped sharply in north pacific. its the reason j-boats hunt whales in antarctic, not north pacific near japan.

Oh I see it's America's fault now? That was a very long time ago. Are you trying to say that the population has not recovered since sufficient to meet Japan's modest demand? I don't believe you - especially for the more common species.

The North Atlantic was no doubt even more heavily whaled and smaller yet Iceland and Norway have no problem finding sufficient sustainable harvest.

Either they are just being pig headed for the sake of it or there is something about their traditional source of whalemeat that is putting them off. Like mercury pollution for example.

So c'mon. What is it?

[Takechanpoo]

actually since you evil mericans and aussies overhunted whales for fuel , the amount still havent recoverd yet.
i dont know the decisive reason.

and the way of stocktaking of whale meat is different from standard goods.
the stocking is only 2 times a year. so it is not forwarded to the market at one time.
a year-round way to investigate the stock is needed to find the real demand.

japan is fighting evil crusaders who impose their value on other ppl.
its a "Reconquista" of us japanese.

[Samurai_Jerk]

actually since you evil mericans and aussies overhunted whales for fuel , the amount still havent recoverd yet.
i dont know the decisive reason.

and the way of stocktaking of whale meat is different from standard goods.
the stocking is only 2 times a year. so it is not forwarded to the market at one time.
a year-round way to investigate the stock is needed to find the real demand.

japan is fighting evil crusaders who impose their value on other ppl.
its a "Reconquista" of us japanese.

I'm going to channel Coligny and say try harder.

[kurogane]

It's been a long time since I took Economics 1, but isn't the existence of massive stockpiles of the purported object of demand a pretty good indication of the real demand in the market, or what a traned economist might refer to as laughably fuckin' insufficient to justify the current and future supply???? As much as I will miss teasing the Great White Meddling Class I think that once the purported consumer of the purported object of purported demand has confirmed the death of that demand and so the market it only seems gracious to give up and diversify into aquatic beef ranching, or maybe even porcine aquaculture.

海と陸の調和から産まれた「海豚足」。ご先祖様の「海豚」とは一品ちがうぜ。

I don't know why we dont all just App this idjit. It's like he can't even read English anymore his replies are so cliched and off base.

[Wage Slave]

japan is fighting evil crusaders who impose their value on other ppl.
its a "Reconquista" of us japanese.

In that case I would say choose your fights wisely. There isn't any case for this one and the only reason it is being prosecuted is a pig headed and bellicose desire to shove two fingers up at the Australians, Americans and a whole clutch of other significant countries.

Fine, but free spending salariman samurai should bear in mind that the day may well come when the Bank of Japan has to go to the IMF asking for a rescue. As Yokohammer said earlier, you can't eat pride. But goodwill will sustain you in times of need.

In the meantime hunt what you can eat locally. After all, Iceland and Norway do it without raising too many hackles, why not Japan?

[matsuki]

In the meantime hunt what you can eat locally. After all, Iceland and Norway do it without raising too many hackles, why not Japan?

I think the relabeled, mercury laden, dolphin meat just isn't as popular as the namakujira from the great south seas.

[Takechanpoo]

one sure thing is at least its not japan overhunted and sharply decreased the amount of whale in north pacific.
and japan too does not want to extirpate any type of whales so goes hunt in legal places in antarctic.
any problem with it?

and authentic statistics by authoritative organizations is definitely needed to judge how much is there actual demand of whale meat.
i will withhold any judgement as long as the story of almost no demand on whale meat is believed on the ground of anecdotes or gossips.

[matsuki]

How often do you eat whale Take?

[kurogane]

Just to anticipate:

Red Herring!! Red Herring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wuchan]

Why do people bother with takeapoop?


First: "It's our culture". I read a very interesting book recently that basically shit all over the Japanese people's use of this saying. Basically it was 300 pages of evidence showing why this excuse is the reason Japan is in the economic position it is today and why the future will be very painful for Japan Inc.

Second: Whales. We all talk about the meat being available in the supermarket but no one asks, "where does the blubber go?" We don't use it in our homes. We can't buy it. They have to use it by law. So, where does it go? Probably some industrial use or cosmetics and supplements. Dark deals and soap land negations will continue to rule this country until the people decide to do more than complain.

[matsuki]

Dark deals and soap land negations will continue to rule this country until the people decide to do more than complain.

In gamanland, the shoganai breaking point is too far to be seen.

[Takechanpoo]

what meat i eat is only chicken and i never eat any seafoods.

[wuchan]

what meat i eat is only chicken and i never eat any seafoods.

you're korean.

[Coligny]

Not eating whale, only eating chicken...

Are those codewords for "th3 ghey" ?

[yanpa]

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[matsuki]

[Coligny]

Another photoshop from Taro that escaped containment ?

[Wage Slave]

[kurogane]

dead-whales.jpg

Hilarious as that is the historical amnesia is more offensive than whale hunting.