RADAR DETECTORS...

[kurogane]

It was on the highway, but the speed limit should really be 100 / 120, which the roads and cars were clearly designed for.
I admit that 20 over on the local roads is pretty much my cruising speed unless the conditions dictate otherwise.

SPEEDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Designed for or not I think we all know how well that argument would stand up in court. Plus, speed kills. I would seriously think about dropping your speed on local roads, both for your own driving record and the confused old folks and kiddies F'in around on the road. Like Yokohammer said, the 10% rule has served many of us well over the years, both on the toll expressways and the local roads. This same argument goes on here in western Canadia about limits being too low and archaic, but my overwhelming impression of people that think speeding is their right and getting ticketed for it is wrong are assholes, even if they don't know it and aren't usually assholes in other regards. Plus, the fines for excessive speed relative to the limit (>25% over or >50% over) are really quite something nowadays. LIke can be thousandses and thousandses. Which is really cool. Coz speed kills.

What they should do is design cars so they only go the speed limit + 10%. Like the old school bell that rang at 80 K on older Jpn cars.

[Mike Oxlong]

What they should do is design cars so they only go the speed limit + 10%. Like the old school bell that rang at 80 K on older Jpn cars.

That brings back some road-trip memories. You weren't making time that final day sprint back to workaday drudgery unless the bell was ringing.

[matsuki]

Toyota Mark 2 or Crown is kind of the same for me. Never understood the difference.

Mark II


Crown

Just a short note on the unmarked patrol cars:

It is definitely *not* only Toyota cars in use. I have seen many unmarked Skyline sedans (non-GTR type) and recently unmarked Subaru Legacy Turbos too. I've even seen a few unmarked Legacy Turbo *wagons* in use now. The cops are starting to get more adventurous with their ghost cars. Be alert out there folks.

I've seen a few Legacy "ghost" cars pulling people over on surface streets but my experiences on the highways have always been marked crown or "ghost" crowns. Haven't seen a Skyline yet but I don't doubt they exist.

Bump. It took five years but I finally got a ticket. I was doing 103 km/h in 80 zone... And was caught because I passed a grey Mark X without noticing the tiny roof light.

All the cops work in teams of two and wear helmets when they drive, so check for that.

That's pretty strict....on the highways, apparently there is no citation if you're within 10km/h of the speed limit...so 90km/h is safe. 100km/h seems to be what most people drive at...so 103km/h is sorta odd to be pulled over for under normal circumstances. I've tried to limit my driving to what appears to be their "off duty" hours and I've still yet to see a cop. During the day, I usually aim for 100km/h.

[Kanchou]

Plus, speed kills.

Speed kills is a myth. Distracted, impaired, and just plain bad driving is what kills.

Generally speaking people will drive as fast as they feel comfortable doing so, even without speed limits.

[kurogane]

Plus, speed kills.

Speed kills is a myth. .

No, the myth is that what the myth that plebs and proles call a myth is a myth. Anyways, pleb on, stay safe, hope you skate without any more fines. We can't help you be first world but we can hope you're safe

[Russell]

Plus, speed kills.

Speed kills is a myth. .

No, the myth is that what the myth that plebs and proles call a myth is a myth. Anyways, pleb on, stay safe, hope you skate without any more fines. We can't help you be first world but we can hope you're safe

Actually, when the road is straight and empty, then boredom may become a factor, so a too-low speed may actually compromise safety.

This only applies to highways, of course.

[Grumpy Gramps]

It's the humans, who always fail. They need to get thrown out of all cockpits. Once the bots drive our cars, we won't need any more speed limits.

[Kanchou]

Japan doesn't have absurdly straight highways like America. They tend to curve a bit like German roads do.

Think about it this way; American highways are (mostly) toll free and have speed limits of roughly 120 km/h with no guard rails, generally poor maintenance, a higher number of exits/entrances, and nothing keeping animals from getting on the roads, or keeping cars from crossing to the other side.


Japanese highways are the worlds most expensive in terms of tolls, meticulously maintained, highly patrolled (by maintenance crew, etc.), a small number of exits, and are fully guard-railed and elevated to keep people and animals out, yet have speed limits 50% lower.

[chibaka]

It's the humans, who always fail. They need to get thrown out of all cockpits. Once the bots drive our cars, we won't need any more speed limits.

You never had a computer crash?

[Coligny]

Plus, speed kills.

Speed kills is a myth. .

No, the myth is that what the myth that plebs and proles call a myth is a myth. Anyways, pleb on, stay safe, hope you skate without any more fines. We can't help you be first world but we can hope you're safe

Actually, when the road is straight and empty, then boredom may become a factor, so a too-low speed may actually compromise safety.

This only applies to highways, of course.

Never driven in Hokkaido ?
100km straight forest road...
Speed limit 50kph...
Rental, no cruise control...
At the 40 minutes marks I was shouting "the internationale" through the window to stay sane...

[FG Lurker]

1 the skyline and GTR are no longer on the same plateform branch as of the r35

Yes, I am aware. There have been rumors of GTR police cars and perhaps some exist. I've never seen one personally though.

2 Subaru is Toyota Since general motors sold their shares in 2005

GM owned ~20% of Fuji Heavy (FHI). Toyota bought some of that in 2005 and later bought more on the open market. Currently 16.5% of FHI is owned by Toyota. FHI is Subaru's parent company.

Subaru is still independent but Toyota has been busy fucking around. Quite a few shared parts now and some obvious Toyota design influence (new Legacys are ugly and bloated.)

I think any police sedan available in panda color scheme have chances to be also available in undercover version.
And there's a shitload of panda subies these days...

I have seen unmarked Skylines for many years on the highways but have never seen a marked version. I have seen unmarked Legacy Wagons on the highways (a few) but have never seen a marked version. On the other side their are marked kei cars that get used in some areas and I've certainly never seen an unmarked kei. (That'd sure be embarrassing to get pulled over by...) There do seem to be both marked and unmarked versions of the Crown and Legacy Sedans though.

[FG Lurker]

It is definitely *not* only Toyota cars in use. I have seen many unmarked Skyline sedans (non-GTR type) and recently unmarked Subaru Legacy Turbos too. I've even seen a few unmarked Legacy Turbo *wagons* in use now. The cops are starting to get more adventurous with their ghost cars. Be alert out there folks.

I've seen a few Legacy "ghost" cars pulling people over on surface streets but my experiences on the highways have always been marked crown or "ghost" crowns. Haven't seen a Skyline yet but I don't doubt they exist.

On the highways I have personally seen many Skyline unmarked cars and a few Legacy Wagon unmarked cars. The Legacy Sedan unmarked cars are becoming more common on the highway, and of course there are lots of unmarked Crowns around. This is all in the Kansai to Chuugoku area but I'd be surprised to find it differs that much elsewhere.

[matsuki]

It is definitely *not* only Toyota cars in use. I have seen many unmarked Skyline sedans (non-GTR type) and recently unmarked Subaru Legacy Turbos too. I've even seen a few unmarked Legacy Turbo *wagons* in use now. The cops are starting to get more adventurous with their ghost cars. Be alert out there folks.

I've seen a few Legacy "ghost" cars pulling people over on surface streets but my experiences on the highways have always been marked crown or "ghost" crowns. Haven't seen a Skyline yet but I don't doubt they exist.

On the highways I have personally seen many Skyline unmarked cars and a few Legacy Wagon unmarked cars. The Legacy Sedan unmarked cars are becoming more common on the highway, and of course there are lots of unmarked Crowns around. This is all in the Kansai to Chuugoku area but I'd be surprised to find it differs that much elsewhere.

It might be just different regional implementation.

1 the skyline and GTR are no longer on the same plateform branch as of the r35

Yes, I am aware. There have been rumors of GTR police cars and perhaps some exist. I've never seen one personally though.

I have, but like the US and all the previous JDM sports car "patokaa," they're just PR pieces that don't really see any action. (lame)

Corvette-Stingray-Police[1].jpg

[kurogane]

Japan doesn't have absurdly straight highways like America. They tend to curve a bit like German roads do　

Plus the fact that blaming driver boredom for poor driving choices is another way of excusing emotional and mental incontinence by blaming it on the limitations the state (rightfully in MYHOMO) sets on the Freedumb of The Individual!!! If there is one truth to all of this back and forth it's that the speeding pleb is NEVER the architect of his own destruction. Given that ilk tends to a fairly vocal Rugged Individualism the irony we betters enjoy should be obvious.

Think about it this way: American highways are ...........and have speed limits of roughly 120 km/h .........

Japanese highways are ............. yet have speed limits 50% lower.

Whoa, Nelly! Japanese expressways have posted speed limits of 60 K/h!!??? I thought YokoHammer wrote above that it can be lowered to 80k/h depending on conditions and I thought last time I was on one the speed limit had been drastically increased to 100 k/h??? No?

Anyhoo, unless you somehow managed to skate through high school without taking a physics course you should ask for a full refund of all tuition and taxes paid, coz they failed you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiol ... _of_impact

Here's the bit that caught my eye:

Road toll figures in developed nations show that car collision fatalities have declined since 1980. Japan is an extreme example, with road deaths decreasing to 5,115 in 2008, which is 25% of the 1970 rate per capita and 17% of the 1970 rate per vehicle distance travelled. In 2008, for the first time, more pedestrians than vehicle occupants were killed in Japan by cars.[9] Besides improving general road conditions like lighting and separated walkways, Japan has been installing intelligent transportation system technology such as stalled-car monitors to avoid crashes.

In the United States, twenty-eight states had reductions in the number of automobile crash fatalities between 2005 and 2006.[11] 55% of vehicle occupants 16 years or older in 2006 were not using seat belts when they crashed.........and damn straight, because anybody with plain ole Common Sense knows you're more likely to get trapped underwater in your vehicle by a malfunctioning safety belt than you are to hurtle through the windshield after a collision on a normal road

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision

Speed kills, and my HS physics teachers were quite adamant in Grades 10, 11 and 12 (when we were getting our DLs) that the faster you go the harder you hit.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I love these mouthbreathers that think driving the speed limit is such a burden. Get the fuck off the road and walk if you can't follow the rules. Not that I've never sped but I would never blame the cops or the law if I got caught doing it.

[kurogane]

Thank you. It's not the speeding, it's the plebby celebration of brother on sister inbred stupidity that gets me. Speed if you want to, but at least be a man when you get busted or die from it. Rednecks are the girliest men I know. And all speeders always end up being rednecks of some ilk.

PS I thought Kanchou handled it well. It was the after the fact quibbling that got me going. It's a pet peeve.

[Salty]

... Speed kills, and my HS physics teachers were quite adamant in Grades 10, 11 and 12 (when we were getting our DLs) that the faster you go the harder you hit.

Now you are getting closer to the truth. Speed does not kill, at any speed except one. It is indeed the lack of speed that kills - the sudden lack of speed. Zero speed - hit a wall, or even negative speed - hit someone head on.

But slow down, is still good advice. Particularly durring this week, which is a `summer safety period` that has cops out in plain view, and hidden too.

[kurogane]

Yes, that is why speed kills, and that Someone is all too often that guiltiest of parties: the guy doing the normal thing (speed limit + 10~). If I were hit like that and made it out I would mechanically assrape and barbecue any relatives left over, like the Heike and Minamoto used to do to each other, but with flair and verve. Just because barbarism can only be answered by the same, and some chlorine is often the best solution. And the funny thing is, I would end up looking the worse for it. But at least the pool would be cleaned.

[Russell]

Yes, that is why speed kills, and that Someone is all too often that guiltiest of parties: the guy doing the normal thing (speed limit + 10~). If I were hit like that and made it out I would mechanically assrape and barbecue any relatives left over, like the Heike and Minamoto used to do to each other, but with flair and verve. Just because barbarism can only be answered by the same, and some chlorine is often the best solution. And the funny thing is, I would end up looking the worse for it. But at least the pool would be cleaned.

All those one-dimensional opinions.

Problem is that some highways have ridiculously low speed limits. I'm talking 50-60 km/h for no apparent reason.

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

[wagyl]

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Ooh boy, that Mitsubishi Minica is shaking like crazy!

I can not condone exceeding the limit by more than 20 Km/h. Of course, you do not need my approval for any of your actions.

[Samurai_Jerk]

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Don't tell me not to drink and drive. That's the man's rule not mine.

[Russell]

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Don't tell me not to drink and drive. That's the man's rule not mine.

Driving under influence has been proven to be dangerous.

For driving above the speed limit it depends on many factors. The story is not as 1-dimensional as you guys want me to believe. A speed limit that is set arbitrarily may actually make the traffic situation more dangerous, because it leads to more differentials in speeds. I often drive on a highway that has a speed limit of 60 km/h, and while this may the appropriate speed in the worst of circumstances, in 90% of the cases it is too low, so in practice you see the vast majority of cars going well above it. Driving 80 to 90 km/h on this highway is no big deal. That is still not a shocking speed, isn't it?

[Samurai_Jerk]

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Don't tell me not to drink and drive. That's the man's rule not mine.

Driving under influence has been proven to be dangerous.

For driving above the speed limit it depends on many factors. The story is not as 1-dimensional as you guys want me to believe. A speed limit that is set arbitrarily may actually make the traffic situation more dangerous, because it leads to more differentials in speeds. I often drive on a highway that has a speed limit of 60 km/h, and while this may the appropriate speed in the worst of circumstances, in 90% of the cases it is too low, so in practice you see the vast majority of cars going well above it. Driving 80 to 90 km/h on this highway is no big deal. That is still not a shocking speed, isn't it?

So the roads are dangerous because a lot of people speed but the problem is the speed limit.

[Coligny]

Non arbitrary laws are laws of math, physics or nature.

All others are to be arbitrary ? No ?

Means, someone decide, everyone follows...

[Russell]

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Don't tell me not to drink and drive. That's the man's rule not mine.

Driving under influence has been proven to be dangerous.

For driving above the speed limit it depends on many factors. The story is not as 1-dimensional as you guys want me to believe. A speed limit that is set arbitrarily may actually make the traffic situation more dangerous, because it leads to more differentials in speeds. I often drive on a highway that has a speed limit of 60 km/h, and while this may the appropriate speed in the worst of circumstances, in 90% of the cases it is too low, so in practice you see the vast majority of cars going well above it. Driving 80 to 90 km/h on this highway is no big deal. That is still not a shocking speed, isn't it?

So the roads are dangerous because a lot of people speed but the problem is the speed limit.

Nope, the roads become more dangerous because of the ill-thought out speed limits.

The vast majority of cars that are speeding is an indication that a speed limit of 60 km/h on a straight 2-lane highway is not rational.

[kurogane]

Well, as long as we have established through multidimensional objective analysis that the real victims here are the speeders........

[Coligny]

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Don't tell me not to drink and drive. That's the man's rule not mine.

Driving under influence has been proven to be dangerous.

For driving above the speed limit it depends on many factors. The story is not as 1-dimensional as you guys want me to believe. A speed limit that is set arbitrarily may actually make the traffic situation more dangerous, because it leads to more differentials in speeds. I often drive on a highway that has a speed limit of 60 km/h, and while this may the appropriate speed in the worst of circumstances, in 90% of the cases it is too low, so in practice you see the vast majority of cars going well above it. Driving 80 to 90 km/h on this highway is no big deal. That is still not a shocking speed, isn't it?

So the roads are dangerous because a lot of people speed but the problem is the speed limit.

Nope, the roads become more dangerous because of the ill-thought out speed limits.

The vast majority of cars that are speeding is an indication that a speed limit of 60 km/h on a straight 2-lane highway is not rational.

Well... If the roads were packed with Bugatti Veyrons you'd have a point. But since they are also used by trucks that might not be able to follow the same flow...

And when you consider that when situation degrades be it by rain or fog a large majority don't adapt their speed to the new condition... I'd say your call to imaginary group wisdom is not based on reality...

[Samurai_Jerk]

And SJ, no, I will not get off the roads and walk, because that would be slower.

From today I have limited my speeding to less than 30 km/h on highways, though.

Don't tell me not to drink and drive. That's the man's rule not mine.

Driving under influence has been proven to be dangerous.

For driving above the speed limit it depends on many factors. The story is not as 1-dimensional as you guys want me to believe. A speed limit that is set arbitrarily may actually make the traffic situation more dangerous, because it leads to more differentials in speeds. I often drive on a highway that has a speed limit of 60 km/h, and while this may the appropriate speed in the worst of circumstances, in 90% of the cases it is too low, so in practice you see the vast majority of cars going well above it. Driving 80 to 90 km/h on this highway is no big deal. That is still not a shocking speed, isn't it?

So the roads are dangerous because a lot of people speed but the problem is the speed limit.

Nope, the roads become more dangerous because of the ill-thought out speed limits.

The vast majority of cars that are speeding is an indication that a speed limit of 60 km/h on a straight 2-lane highway is not rational.

Is it your position that if everyone followed the speed limit it would still be unnecessarily dangerous?

[matsuki]

Ehh, are we really arguing about this? There are several places in this country where the speed limits are obviously unreasonably too low...and most people seem to ignore the posted limits and tailgate you/road rage on you like crazy if you don't do the same. I think it's already been discussed to death here but the authorities seem to add traffic signals and lower speed limits as a reaction "gesture" to traffic incidents (look, we're working for safety driving!) rather than actually assess the real world usefulness/impact of the new traffic signal or speed limit. Thus, you get all kinds of wonky places where the speed limit is ridiculously low or there are 3 traffic signals within a 200m span of road.

As to safety, Kuro's stats (at least what he quoted) fail to mention the crack down on drunk driving....that began in 2007, right before "in 2008, for the first time, more pedestrians than vehicle occupants were killed in Japan by cars." Reductions attributed to "besides improving general road conditions like lighting and separated walkways, Japan has been installing intelligent transportation system technology such as stalled-car monitors to avoid crashes." Don't really have much to do with speed....it sounds like they were total deathtraps before and were finally brought to a higher standard.

That being said, of all the near misses I've had since I started driving in Japan, I'd say 99% were on surface roads and were due to shitty planning/design/lemmings/etc. There are so many shitty intersections and ridiculously narrow roads with blind curves and other such shit. Recently, I've almost hit 3 Darwin award contestants near my place. Road is suuuuuper narrow because they managed to squeeze in a pedestrian walkway on one side...complete with safety rails....and yet assholes still decide to walk on the road side....which is the perfect storm of fucked when there are vehicles coming from the opposite direction and the car in front of you has just swerved to avoid hitting the asshole.

[Samurai_Jerk]

There are several places in this country where the speed limits are obviously unreasonably too low...and most people seem to ignore the posted limits and tailgate you/road rage on you like crazy if you don't do the same.

Agreed but it's ridiculous to say the the problem is the speed limit. The problem is the entitled assholes who don't follow it. I think I should be allowed to smoke weed, snort coke, fuck 16 year olds, and own a handgun but I'm not so I don't. Just kidding about the 16 year olds. I draw the line at 17.