Karoshi's not just for Japan anymore!

[Samurai_Jerk]

Man was worked to death on 14-hour shift: Pennsylvania court

A three-judge panel in Pennsylvania has agreed with a widow who claimed her husband was worked to death, awarding her death benefits after he collapsed during his 14-hour shift working for a municipal water department.

Robert Dietz, 48, died of a heart attack while performing hard physical labor in 2007 for the Lower Bucks County Joint Municipal Authority, a water department based in the historic Philadelphia suburb of Levittown, according to court papers.

It was not immediately known what he was doing during his final 14-hour shift, but he typically operated a jackhammer, repaired water main breaks and dug up tree roots during his 20 years on the job, court papers said.

[...]

Dietz smoked a pack of cigarettes per day during his marriage, but Dr. Larry Wolk, a cardiac specialist whose sworn statement on behalf of the Dietz family was reviewed by the board, said what killed him was his long work day performing strenuous physical labor.

[kurogane]

A Muni worker can't even get a union health and safety advisor man on his side!!?????? Yeeeeks. I'm moving to a beach and living on coconuts.

BTW, from what I have seen here it seems to be highly paid professionals that are expected to work 60+ hour weeks (for 4-500,000 per year) but not too many of the plebs. It will be interesting to watch and see if this trend blows north. Most of our good union protection has been steadily chipped away as well.

[Samurai_Jerk]

This long NYT's article about how horrible it is to work at Amazon is kind of related. It's definitely biased and relies too much on anecdotal evidence but I've heard a lot of the same claims about working at the Tokyo office and the employee turnover in Japan is also very high.

A happy Amazonian has responded on LinkedIn as has Jeff Bezos.

Whether Amazon is really such a shitty place to work or not one thing I don't like about a lot of big US corporations is the cult-like atmosphere they encourage. I guess it's a symptom of the American tendency towards fundamentalism.

[matsuki]

14 hours a day of voluntary hard labor is pretty reckless...but so is smoking a pack a day. Even if it was the work that killed him....where is the life insurance?

[Samurai_Jerk]

14 hours a day of voluntary hard labor is pretty reckless...but so is smoking a pack a day. Even if it was the work that killed him....where is the life insurance?

We don't know whether or not he had any based on that article but that shouldn't have anything to do with her eligibility for a death benefit.

[matsuki]

14 hours a day of voluntary hard labor is pretty reckless...but so is smoking a pack a day. Even if it was the work that killed him....where is the life insurance?

We don't know whether or not he had any based on that article but that shouldn't have anything to do with her eligibility for a death benefit.

Indeed...but that's some shaky ground:

Every cigarette you smoke makes you more likely to get heart disease. Roughly 1 out of 5 deaths from heart disease is directly related to smoking.

People who smoke are two to four times more likely to get heart disease.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/ ... king-heart

[Samurai_Jerk]

14 hours a day of voluntary hard labor is pretty reckless...but so is smoking a pack a day. Even if it was the work that killed him....where is the life insurance?

We don't know whether or not he had any based on that article but that shouldn't have anything to do with her eligibility for a death benefit.

Indeed...but that's some shaky ground:

Every cigarette you smoke makes you more likely to get heart disease. Roughly 1 out of 5 deaths from heart disease is directly related to smoking.

People who smoke are two to four times more likely to get heart disease.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/ ... king-heart

Maybe but what does that have to do with whether or not he had life insurance?

[matsuki]

Point is he shouldn't have been relying on death benefits from an employer in his situation. Heavy smoker, 48 w/ family.

14hour work days would burn anyone out but with that much smoking, I think it will be impossible to rule that out as at least a factor in his death. IOW, it's likely he's still be aliving and doing 14h days if he wasn't a smoker. Same shit as a fat fuck who was eating a box of twinkies everyday. (though he's have to eat more than a box to gain weight working 14h shifts)

[kurogane]

Well, the usual victim blaming aside (which is fun), I would think the point would be that his employer shouldn't be expecting or allowing anybody to work 14 hour shifts at hard labour and his union shouldn't be invisible and useless. Obviously smoking that much can't help, but let's also keep in mind what passport he would carry if abroad and his social class, which suggests also being overweight or obese in all the wrong ways. Which again suggests his employer and union should have had their shit together, first by restricting his shifts and also by providing counselling and advice on how to stop being so unhealthy. The abrogation of employers' duties of late is positively medieval. The New Enclosure Acts are upon us.

Would there be non-union Muni workers these days? Unthinkable up here even in these days of the rush to return to the 19th century workplace.

[matsuki]

Well the first question is why.....unlike Karoshi, 14 hour shifts at "the Lower Bucks County Joint Municipal Authority" is far more likely to be paying legit overtime. I'm making an assumption here but my guess is he was doing the long shifts to make that extra $$ without a care for his health. (not disclosing his salary seems to agree with this) Voluntarily working those insane hours is pretty reckless...but unless he was being pressured into it, I find it hard to blame the employer UNLESS those hours go beyond what's legal or he wasn't getting paid.

[wagyl]

Well I've learned something new! You only die from overwork if you aren't getting paid for it! In fact, it seems that as long as you aren't getting paid for it, working even within regulated limits can kill you!

Matsuki, you may need to tighten up your logic. The body doesn't know whether you have a life insurance policy before it decides to die, nor does it know whether you are being paid.
And in essence life insurance is a bet between you and the insurance company: they are betting you are going to live longer than you think you are, you are betting that you are not.

[kurogane]

...but unless he was being pressured into it, I find it hard to blame the employer UNLESS those hours go beyond what's legal or he wasn't getting paid.

Korporate Amerikkka just called. They're recruiting ethically bankrupt apologist PR flunkies. I'll happily write you a glowing reference

That is what health and safety regulations are for, and why employers are supposed to follow them. This isn't a Mom & Pop operation; his supervisors should have checked his work logs and told him to take a break. But they didn't, and he died from work related events. And it is shameful that you think otherwise, unless you think it's good that those good, caring people whose costs are subsidised and profits privatised are best protected from the vagaries of profit reducing nuisances like public demands for safety and decency. I agree that the plebs are revolting I just don't blame them for being that way. Even though they really are quite, quite revolting.

[matsuki]

...but unless he was being pressured into it, I find it hard to blame the employer UNLESS those hours go beyond what's legal or he wasn't getting paid.

Korporate Amerikkka just called. They're recruiting ethically bankrupt apologist PR flunkies. I'll happily write you a glowing reference

That is what health and safety regulations are for, and why employers are supposed to follow them.

Right...I'm not familiar what those are in that state but if it's in violation of those, yeah, employer will likely be liable for death benefits and more.

[kurogane]

Yeah. And a doctor said he died from overwork, so all a decision for an award requires is that they believe the doctor. BTW, the poor bugger died back in 2007: imagine his poor widow having to go through all that for these past 8 years. Taking proper care of yourself is just a good idea, but holding the bloodsuckers responsible for what they do is also. Not to mention that for them it's a tax write off but for the widow it's a matter of life without hubbykins, or not much of a life at all but still no hubbykins. I wonder if they would have ruled the same if the employer were a corporation, especially a large one. Or if it hadn't happened in the People's Democratic Republic of Massatwosets. To be fair, that might not be relevant.

[matsuki]

We still don't see the reason why the "prior Workers' Compensation Appeal Board decision that denied her the benefit" and what he was making. "Worked to death" implies death by forced labor...I know of more than few dudes in Japan that literally worked themselves to death with zangyo and such and one of my good friends that was heading that direction finally quit. You guys might say i'm blaming the victim but just like smoking and other unhealthy pursuits, one can quit a shitty job. If the employer was purposely looking the other way while he worked more than was allowable by law, that's indeed fucked and they are totally liable but here it just comes across as a workaholic that was enjoying the spoils of willingly overworking his body until his body couldn't take it anymore.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Point is he shouldn't have been relying on death benefits from an employer in his situation. Heavy smoker, 48 w/ family.

Did you read another article with more information about this case? You're implying that he was planning to die on the job so his family could get some money. Again based on what's in that article we have no fucking clue whether or not he had life insurance or whether or not his wife needs that money to live. She might have got a million bucks from MetLife and have a union job with a decent income herself. Hell maybe she won 10 million dollars in the lottery. None of those has anything to do with her eligibility for death benefits. Those benefits aren't linked to how much money she has or what other kind of planning they'd done as a family. They're linked to whether or not the job killed him.

[matsuki]

They're linked to whether or not the job killed him.

If that's the only criteria and no stipulations about smoking/health/etc, the wife did good getting the physician's assessment. More power to her.

[Samurai_Jerk]

They're linked to whether or not the job killed him.

If that's the only criteria and no stipulations about smoking/health/etc, the wife did good getting the physician's assessment. More power to her.

Jesus Christ. I think living in a van down by the river has friend your brain. I'm really starting to worry about you.

Your question over the validity of her claim due to his smoking habit is understandable and something that people can debate.

However, it has nothing to do with her financial situation or what kind of life insurance he did or didn't have. Death benefits are not welfare for underprivileged people. They're compensation for killing someone. Linking those unrelated things the way you did makes no sense. Why is that hard to understand?

[matsuki]

Your question over the validity of her claim due to his smoking habit is understandable and something that people can debate.

Which is what I was trying to do...

However, it has nothing to do with her financial situation or what kind of life insurance he did or didn't have. Death benefits are not welfare for underprivileged people. They're compensation for killing someone. Linking those unrelated things the way you did makes no sense. Why is that hard to understand?

I agreed with you on that in my first response.

[wagyl]

one can quit a shitty job.

Not always so easy in that land without a safety net, especially without a health care safety net. I hear claims that bad luck with health can even thrust the middle class into poverty in the game of snakes and ladders called the United States of America.

Donald Trump appreciates his vote, though.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Your question over the validity of her claim due to his smoking habit is understandable and something that people can debate.

Which is what I was trying to do...

However, it has nothing to do with her financial situation or what kind of life insurance he did or didn't have. Death benefits are not welfare for underprivileged people. They're compensation for killing someone. Linking those unrelated things the way you did makes no sense. Why is that hard to understand?

I agreed with you on that in my first response.

But you still linked them without clarification and then follow up with this bizarre statement:

Point is he shouldn't have been relying on death benefits from an employer in his situation.

[Samurai_Jerk]

one can quit a shitty job.

Not always so easy in that land without a safety net, especially without a health care safety net. I hear claims that bad luck with health can even thrust the middle class into poverty in the game of snakes and ladders called the United States of America.

Donald Trump appreciates his vote, though.

Exactly. But let's blame the victim and assume he was a workaholic chasing fat overtime checks and not someone who was being pressured to bust his ass at hard labor 14 hours a day by a dickhead boss.

[matsuki]

one can quit a shitty job.

Not always so easy in that land without a safety net, especially without a health care safety net. I hear claims that bad luck with health can even thrust the middle class into poverty in the game of snakes and ladders called the United States of America.

Donald Trump appreciates his vote, though.

Exactly. But let's blame the victim and assume he was a workaholic chasing fat overtime checks and not someone who was being pressured to bust his ass at hard labor 14 hours a day by a dickhead boss.

If he was making shit pay, why did they refuse to disclose it?

[Samurai_Jerk]

one can quit a shitty job.

Not always so easy in that land without a safety net, especially without a health care safety net. I hear claims that bad luck with health can even thrust the middle class into poverty in the game of snakes and ladders called the United States of America.

Donald Trump appreciates his vote, though.

Exactly. But let's blame the victim and assume he was a workaholic chasing fat overtime checks and not someone who was being pressured to bust his ass at hard labor 14 hours a day by a dickhead boss.

If he was making shit pay, why did they refuse to disclose it?

What the fuck???

You're really not making any sense.

[Buraku]

Cultural Karoshi??

America is committing cultural hara-kiri ?

'No time to go to the toilet': Amazon drivers share harsh working reality via Tokyo hotline

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20 ... na/019000c

IF you give his show a bad review you are now accused of Holocausting 6 Billion 6 hundred and Gazillion Trillion, they ban users, delete accounts change review requirements

maybe its a dumb comedy?


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