Post your 'You Tube' videos of interest.

[Coligny]

You know what... You just proved a point...
That you can effectively use the minimum amount of force needed to defeat an attacker.
If you are trained in combat, know your strenght and can judge the capacities of your opponents.

In my case... That would have been,
do nothing
Or
go to the car (only possible because a third party was the target), run over the guy twice. Prepare an explanation for my mechanic.

When your level of strenght is sumed up by "was once beaten by a real doll" you go for force multiplier. Then the whole measured response thing goes out of the window. You can't ask population to use reasonable force against an aggression when they are not trained or willing to fight. Threat and disruption... Run... If not possible... Then kill...
That's the drawback of civilization when a member don't play by the rules but you are still supposed to follow them...

[Wage Slave]

So if a woman trained in martial arts is attacked by a guy and she totally beats the crap out of him, how will she be treated according to Japanese law?

That only happens in the movies.

You mean like in this movie?

Good example and that was self defence. No jury would convict her. Compare and contrast the situation, her intentions, the level of threat and the kick with the earlier video. Can you honestly not see the difference?

[Wage Slave]

You know what... You just proved a point...
That you can effectively use the minimum amount of force needed to defeat an attacker.
If you are trained in combat, know your strenght and can judge the capacities of your opponents.

In my case... That would have been,
do nothing
Or
go to the car (only possible because a third party was the target), run over the guy twice. Prepare an explanation for my mechanic.

When your level of strenght is sumed up by "was once beaten by a real doll" you go for force multiplier. Then the whole measured response thing goes out of the window. You can't ask population to use reasonable force against an aggression when they are not trained or willing to fight. Threat and disruption... Run... If not possible... Then kill...
That's the drawback of civilization when a member don't play by the rules but you are still supposed to follow them...

Yeah but the guy in the earlier video had martial arts training and his 'attacker' looked about as credible as a wet blanket. It was more like those guys who pissed on a hobo, the hobo probably made some weak attack in response so the two of went to town on him with a pipe claiming self defence.

[matsuki]

Yeah but the guy in the earlier video had martial arts training and his 'attacker' looked about as credible as a wet blanket. It was more like those guys who pissed on a hobo, the hobo probably made some weak attack in response so the two of went to town on him with a pipe claiming self defence.

...he also warned the guy several times. Even if the wet blanket can't fight, runs into you or if you fall down the wrong way, there are are ton of ways you can injure yourself. The aggressor doesn't become a victim unless the original victim uses more force than is necessary...maybe cuts off his penis or something. Unless it gets to that point, the aggressor owns all the blame for choosing when and where to get violent.

[Wage Slave]

The aggressor doesn't become a victim unless the original victim uses more force than is necessary...maybe cuts off his penis or something. Unless it gets to that point, the aggressor owns all the blame for choosing when and where to get violent.

Is that the law in California?

[matsuki]

The aggressor doesn't become a victim unless the original victim uses more force than is necessary...maybe cuts off his penis or something. Unless it gets to that point, the aggressor owns all the blame for choosing when and where to get violent.

Is that the law in California?

>picks up garden shears

Let's find out

I don't know if the law states anything like that specifically but based on both civil/criminal cases, that's the justice that tends to get doled out.

[kurogane]

Good example and that was self defence. No jury would convict her. Compare and contrast the situation, her intentions, the level of threat and the kick with the earlier video. Can you honestly not see the difference?

Certainly not to the extent you do. Although I applaud her actions, she definitely walked into the middle of that, which could be construed as intent. Allowing for the obvious differences between the 2 attackers, the timing of the kick and the situation are roughly commensurate, and the defender stopped at that. About the only thing the comedian did wrong was it looked like he loaded up for the kick, which does suggest he was hoping. But he did not move towards his attacker until a threshold was crossed. What part of the drunken goofball failed comedian's actions do you think didn't warrant some response? My take is: is the comedian that kicked the failed comedian a dickwad? Very probably. He's an amateur comedian. Is what he did legally defensible? Very probably. What makes you think he has martial arts training anyways? It wasn't really much of a kick: just a nice poke to the breadbasket from what I saw.

[Wage Slave]

she definitely walked into the middle of that, which could be construed as intent.

No it can't. She came across someone being assaulted and stopped to help which is entirely lawful and proper. She stood nearby and simply told the guy to stop. When he decided to assault her she defended herself using reasonable force and then moved herself and the victim away. Nothing unlawful can be construed from that.

I'm no expert on these things but it seems to me that the kick delivered by the comedian was far more powerful and the recipient far less robust. He was laid out whereas the guy in the park was merely reduced to crouching in pain for long enough for them to make an escape.

The relative power the attacker and attacked is very important. I seem to remember that there was a woman not long ago who bashed her husband over the head while he was sleeping and killed him after yet another beating. She wasn't convicted of murder because that was the only was she could stop another beating when he woke up. He was far more powerful and violent, so she wasn't judged by the same standards.

[kurogane]

I still think the dweeb was faking it for pity from that cute chick that hugged him earlier, or was just so drunk it put him out. Fair points about the girl, and I do agree and applaud her but I still don't see enough intent or overt physical provocation by the comedian to differentiate them as strongly as you do. He might have been a mouthy dick (par for amateur night MCs IME), but that doesn't allow physical contact from a disgruntled audience member.

[Coligny]

Kuro, :

Duty to rescue, article 223-6 of french penal code and many other civilized countries

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

Read, enjoy .
(Nota for the French variant the obligation of care for any medical professionnal the local bozos could take some notes...)

[matsuki]

Both of those kicks looked powerful...and both ended with the aggressor on the ground and the victims leaving without further violence. The dude in the wrong got his in both vids.

WS, when shit like that happens, it's fast and the last thing you're thinking about is measuring the amount of force in your kick, based on the aggressor. If the old heckler was as frail as you're describing, I doubt he would have put up much of a struggle initially or charge like that at the comedian.

[Samurai_Jerk]

So if a woman trained in martial arts is attacked by a guy and she totally beats the crap out of him, how will she be treated according to Japanese law?

That only happens in the movies.

You mean like in this movie?

Good example and that was self defence. No jury would convict her. Compare and contrast the situation, her intentions, the level of threat and the kick with the earlier video. Can you honestly not see the difference?

That video looks staged but regardless. In Japan if a guy stepped in and did the same thing he'd most likely be in trouble.

[kurogane]

Kuro, :
Duty to rescue..............

I was just winding up Wage Slave. It may be staged as SJ said, but even if it is it would be a great educational video in shitholes like Russia. Even so, WS needs to come clean and explain why he thinks an attacker doesn't deserve somewhere about what the guy got. Being a fat spastic goof isn't a defence if you attack first, and he did. Twice.

[matsuki]

In Japan if a guy stepped in and did the same thing he'd most likely be in trouble.

Yep...how many times have we heard stories of the dude that stepped in to break up a domestic dispute in Japan...only to end up locked up with both the wife and husband trying to extort money out of the good Samaritan??

[Wage Slave]

In the end, this is why certain countries have a jury system. You present all the known facts and evidence to a jury and they, and only they, decide whether the the force was reasonable in the circumstances. If I were on a jury, I would say that comedian went too far and endangered life without justification.

Sounds like I would be outvoted in California - And that's OK. Communities have the right to decide what standards they wish to live under. Personally though, I wouldn't want to live in a society that gave violent people the latitude to demonstrate their prowess without strict and well publicized limits being placed on them.

And as for laws like that one in Florida ........

[matsuki]

In the end, this is why certain countries have a jury system. You present all the known facts and evidence to a jury and they, and only they, decide whether the the force was reasonable in the circumstances. If I were on a jury, I would say that comedian went too far and endangered life without justification.

Sounds like I would be outvoted in California - And that's OK. Communities have the right to decide what standards they wish to live under. Personally though, I wouldn't want to live in a society that gave violent people the latitude to demonstrate their prowess without strict and well publicized limits being placed on them.

And as for laws like that one in Florida ........

You do realize Japan's "trial by jury" is nothing like that?

[Wage Slave]

In the end, this is why certain countries have a jury system. You present all the known facts and evidence to a jury and they, and only they, decide whether the the force was reasonable in the circumstances. If I were on a jury, I would say that comedian went too far and endangered life without justification.

Sounds like I would be outvoted in California - And that's OK. Communities have the right to decide what standards they wish to live under. Personally though, I wouldn't want to live in a society that gave violent people the latitude to demonstrate their prowess without strict and well publicized limits being placed on them.

And as for laws like that one in Florida ........

You do realize Japan's "trial by jury" is nothing like that?

Yes, although I am hazy on the details. Do tell.

[J.A.F.O]

My dirty little vice ... I was reading this comic 23 years ago kinda eager to see it.

[kurogane]

You do realize Japan's "trial by jury" is nothing like that?

Not having observed an actual one myself I can't say, but I will say that People have mentioned that the dickumentary Gangbang Court @ xhams#t%er dotcom does present an intriguing perspective on the tradition of trial by jury.

[Russell]

Both of those kicks looked powerful...and both ended with the aggressor on the ground and the victims leaving without further violence. The dude in the wrong got his in both vids.

WS, when shit like that happens, it's fast and the last thing you're thinking about is measuring the amount of force in your kick, based on the aggressor. If the old heckler was as frail as you're describing, I doubt he would have put up much of a struggle initially or charge like that at the comedian.

In my opinion there is an important point not mentioned in the discussion and that is that the comedian did everything to escalate the situation.

After the heckler backed down for the first time, it would have been wise to carefully choose one's words. The reason the heckler came in for a second time was purely because he was provoked verbally.

[Grumpy Gramps]

If you want to be strong and kick ass, then eat more onions, says the Tractorspotter:

[matsuki]

In my opinion there is an important point not mentioned in the discussion and that is that the comedian did everything to escalate the situation.

After the heckler backed down for the first time, it would have been wise to carefully choose one's words. The reason the heckler came in for a second time was purely because he was provoked verbally.

A heckler is a person who harasses and tries to disconcert others with questions, challenges, or gibes. Hecklers are often known to shout disparaging comments at a performance or event, or to interrupt set-piece speeches, with the intent of disturbing performers and/or participants.

In the end, this is why certain countries have a jury system. You present all the known facts and evidence to a jury and they, and only they, decide whether the the force was reasonable in the circumstances. If I were on a jury, I would say that comedian went too far and endangered life without justification.

Sounds like I would be outvoted in California - And that's OK. Communities have the right to decide what standards they wish to live under. Personally though, I wouldn't want to live in a society that gave violent people the latitude to demonstrate their prowess without strict and well publicized limits being placed on them.

And as for laws like that one in Florida ........

You do realize Japan's "trial by jury" is nothing like that?

Yes, although I am hazy on the details. Do tell.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2 ... u-s-bases/

[Coligny]

The country’s first modern code of criminal procedure was prepared by a French legal scholar hired by the Meiji government (1868-1912). His draft assumed a jury would play a role in serious criminal trials. Japanese leaders, however, feared a system empowering citizens to override the law (the ultimate power of juries) might lead to greater social disorder — even revolution. A jury-free code was enacted instead

So, the we tried to help but the japs done fucked up anyway...

As they say, you can take the girl out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl...

[matsuki]

Japanese leaders, however, feared a system empowering citizens to override the law (the ultimate power of juries) might lead to greater social disorder — even revolution. A jury-free code was enacted instead

Trend much?

[Grumpy Gramps]

Jeep vs. Gator:

[Coligny]

[Samurai_Jerk]

Sticking with the self defense theme, it turns out Daniel-san is the real bad guy.

[Coligny]

Bad luck his channel has only one video like this...

Most 1980' amerkun movies couldbenefit from this kind of analysis... (I mean further than TopGun's gay agenda...)

[Coligny]

[Grumpy Gramps]

This is such a fake, or is it not, including the look at 1:15 to check, if it is really a boy? If later in life, she fakes her orgasms as badly as this, she'll have a hard time keeping relationships going