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Left or right: which is right?

Postby Russell » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:07 am

Osaka minds the nationwide escalator gap and considers shifting left

The Osaka Metropolitan Government is considering an ordinance that would compel people in the country’s second-largest city to stand on the left side of escalators and use the right when passing others.

Residents of the city and many neighboring Kanto vicinities have customarily stood on the right while the rest of the country have taken the opposite stance.

Officials said Tuesday that the move would put Osaka in line with Tokyo and put an end to confusion by tourists in the leadup to the 2020 Olympics.

Voting is slated for May 1. If the ordinance is implemented, those found standing on the right-hand side would receive a verbal warning. After Dec. 1, violators could face fines of ¥1,000.

The Japanese Association of Railroad Station Commutation Concessionaires has voiced opposition. ”We won’t stand for this. It’s what sets us apart from the rest of Japan,” spokesman Eiji Saito said.

The origins of the right-left split is a hotly debated topic. Some historians believe the tradition of Tokyo residents walking on the left side of the street dates back to the Edo Period. To avoid striking passers-by with their swords, samurai walked on the left. Merchants in Kansai, however, who carried their bags in their right hand, typically stuck to the right of the road.

Others say the tradition is more recent and dates from the influx of foreign tourists for Expo ’70.

West Japan Railway Co. public relations representative Soichi Nishiyama said the company is creating a mascot, tentatively named Hidari-desse, to remind Osakans of the shift to the left. Designs under discussion include an egret with its beak pointing to the left and a flamingo standing on its left leg.

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I love the those-tourists-will-become-confused-so-we-should-all-walk-on-the-right-reasoning behind this. As if they are all retards. And they wouldn't notice it in the first place. And if they'd notice they would love the cultural explanation behind it.

Oh, and aren't those Olympics in Tokyo? What has Osaka to do with it?!?
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:08 am

Ehmmm... In train station here it's always asked to avoid walking on the escalators. Even if by tradition it's people left, kids luggages and parcels the right. For people who want to walk there is this thing called stairs...
Halving the escalators capacity because some self important jerkwad wants to be half a second faster is a bit on the countrproductive side...
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Left or right: which is right?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:47 am

Coligny wrote:Halving the escalators capacity because some self important jerkwad wants to be half a second faster is a bit on the countrproductive side...


In general I agree. There are some exceptions though like Roppongi Station on the Oedo Line. An American bunker buster couldn't reach that platform. It's like a journey to the center of the Earth.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Wage Slave » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:55 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Coligny wrote:Halving the escalators capacity because some self important jerkwad wants to be half a second faster is a bit on the countrproductive side...


In general I agree. There are some exceptions though like Roppongi Station on the Oedo Line. An American bunker buster couldn't reach that platform. It's like a journey to the center of the Earth.


All depends on how busy the escalator is. If it is really busy/peak flow then a constant stream of people walking up increases not decreases capacity. Is also good for the body, public health benefit etc .....No? And you can walk up to infill gaps.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Coligny » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:03 am

Wage Slave wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Coligny wrote:Halving the escalators capacity because some self important jerkwad wants to be half a second faster is a bit on the countrproductive side...


In general I agree. There are some exceptions though like Roppongi Station on the Oedo Line. An American bunker buster couldn't reach that platform. It's like a journey to the center of the Earth.


All depends on how busy the escalator is. If it is really busy/peak flow then a constant stream of people walking up increases not decreases capacity. Is also good for the body, public health benefit etc .....No? And you can walk up to infill gaps.


Which would mean that the escalator is already at full standing capacity anyway. Increased over that 100% mark by the fact that despitte One side standing, the other side is walking upstairs.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby inflames » Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:03 am

Coligny wrote:Halving the escalators capacity because some self important jerkwad wants to be half a second faster is a bit on the countrproductive side...

I've seen foreigners the size of Rush Limbaugh move faster than an average Japanese person here.

The other reason why people tend to take a while on the escalators is that there's always some dolt who decides to stand in the middle or be a complete asshole and stand on the other side (usually so he/she can talk to a friend). That and there's a ton of people waiting to stand on the escalator, blocking the way for those who want to walk. In Higashi Umeda I never take the escalator because, even walking up it, it's a lot faster just to take the stairs.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:02 pm

An April 1st report must be serious in Japan, right?

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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby matsuki » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:32 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:An April 1st report must be serious in Japan, right?


TIJ....you never know...

Wasn't it last year that they made this big push to stop people from walking up escalators all together? There are signs/stickers everywhere that say not to....
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:05 pm

chokonen888 wrote:
Taro Toporific wrote:An April 1st report must be serious in Japan, right?

TIJ....you never know...

V.O.A. news is reporting that it's an April Fools "spoof", meh, (It's too typical for Japanese news for me to tell.)

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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Russell » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:04 am

Japan’s escalator rules drastically changed

Escalators are convenient to ride, but if something goes wrong they can be the scene of serious accidents. The practice has become established of keeping to the left side of an escalator in Tokyo and to the right side in Osaka, while leaving the other side open for people in a hurry. However, many are unaware that an industry group is calling for people not to walk on escalators and not to leave one side open as a rule to prevent accidents. Railway companies are also appealing to people to ensure compliance with the rule.

According to the Consumer Affairs Agency, a total of 3,865 people were taken to hospitals due to escalator accidents in Tokyo from 2011 to 2013. The majority of the cases were injuries caused by falls. The cases included “toppled over by losing balance while walking up an escalator” and “toppled over as their cane was jostled by a person who was walking up an escalator.”

The agency warns that if people walk on an escalator, they run the risk of an accident not only by losing their balance themselves but also by jostling other people.

According to the Japan Elevator Association, comprising elevator and escalator makers, escalators are designed based on the assumption that people will not walk on them and the correct way of using an escalator is by standing still and holding the handrail. “It’s not necessary to leave one side open. There are some people who have an arm or a hand that is incapable of functioning and have difficultly keeping a specific side open,” said an official at the association.

Major railway companies started a campaign calling for people not to leave one side open and not to walk on escalators about five years ago. This year, a total of 51 railway operators and companies related to Haneda and Narita airports are participating in the campaign.

A public relations official at East Japan Railway Co., one of the participating companies, said: “The number of accidents decreases during the campaign period but the practice of keeping one side open is strongly rooted. We’d like to positively appeal to people to change the practice.”

Meanwhile, the rule of keeping one step empty behind each person taking an escalator is spreading.

The rule was established from a lesson learned from an escalator accident at Tokyo Big Sight, a major exhibition hall in Tokyo’s Koto Ward, in August 2008. At that time, about 50 people toppled over and 10 of them were injured in the accident when a major event for manga enthusiasts was being held. An ascending escalator about 30 meters long, linking the first and fourth floors of the building, suddenly stopped and began to slide backward, causing about 50 people to topple over.

An accident investigation committee at the Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism Ministry announced its report on the accident in January this year, attributing the accident to improper maintenance. However, it is also believed that the escalator became overloaded with people at the time of the accident. Tokyo Big Sight began playing recorded announcements the month following the accident in Japanese and English urging people using escalators to keep one empty step between themselves and the person ahead for safety.

About 15 million people visit Tokyo Big Sight annually, and there are 38 escalators in the facility. A public relations official the facility stressed the effect of the announcement, saying, “As fewer people now stand on the very next step after the person ahead of them, safety has improved.”

Cause of problem was lack of maintenance, so in order to avoid accidents in the future let's impose some rules on the users. Makes sense.

Origin of escalator etiquette placed in WWII London

A leading theory has it that the origin of the practice of “keeping to one side” of an escalator dates back to London during World War II.

According to Masakazu Toki, professor of cultural anthropology at Edogawa University, the practice of keeping to the right side of the escalator began in London around 1944 to keep the left side open for people in a hurry.

This practice spread in Japan from Hankyu Umeda Station in Osaka in 1967 when the station building was relocated. To this day, people in Osaka follow London’s “keeping to the right side” of the escalator rule.

In Tokyo the practice of “keeping to the left side” began to spread near the end of the 1980s. This practice is said to have begun at Shin-Ochanomizu Station on the Chiyoda subway line. At the time of its opening in 1969, the escalator at this station was the longest underground escalator in Japan, measuring 41 meters. However, there are also stories of people keeping to the left side of the escalator at Tokyo Station and Shimbashi Station around the same time.

“It is still unclear why we keep to different sides of the escalator in Osaka and in Tokyo, but as globalization advanced, perhaps the consciousness that we must learn foreign etiquette led people to start keeping to one side,” Toki said.

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Oh, I suppose its globalization's fault then, right?!?
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:19 am

I want to move to a city too small to have any escalators...
With goats greeting you outside the unmanned trainstation...

And some hot farmgirl daughters hungry for the D... (of course)
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Salty » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:37 am

Coligny wrote:Ehmmm... In train station here it's always asked to avoid walking on the escalators. Even if by tradition it's people left, kids luggages and parcels the right. For people who want to walk there is this thing called stairs...
Halving the escalators capacity because some self important jerkwad wants to be half a second faster is a bit on the countrproductive side...


Not to mention... oops, I will go ahead and mention... that there are those with disabilities such that strength is better in either their right or left arm, so they need to stand to that side for safety. I`d vote for overhead lasers that zap anyone not standing still.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Russell » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:20 am

Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:38 am

Russell wrote:Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.


Strawman, your 'majority of case' was never witnessed in Nagoya... it's always a majority standing and sometimes a hipster offended not to be able to fly by.

Let me repeat slowly.
If people want to walk, there are these things called "stairs".
It's not even open for negociation as train companies put explicit signs asking not to walk on escalators.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Russell » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:42 am

Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.


Strawman, your 'majority of case' was never witnessed in Nagoya... it's always a majority standing and sometimes a hipster offended not to be able to fly by.

Let me repeat slowly.
If people want to walk, there are these things called "stairs".
It's not even open for negociation as train companies put explicit signs asking not to walk on escalators.

Nagoya must be vastly different from Osaka then, because here virtually everybody walks. And that should be fine. No reason to regulate that.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby dimwit » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:28 pm

Russell wrote:Nagoya must be vastly different from Osaka then, because here virtually everybody walks. And that should be fine. No reason to regulate that.


This is Japan. There is every reason to regulate it.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:40 pm

Russell wrote:
Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.


Strawman, your 'majority of case' was never witnessed in Nagoya... it's always a majority standing and sometimes a hipster offended not to be able to fly by.

Let me repeat slowly.
If people want to walk, there are these things called "stairs".
It's not even open for negociation as train companies put explicit signs asking not to walk on escalators.

Nagoya must be vastly different from Osaka then, because here virtually everybody walks. And that should be fine. No reason to regulate that.


Osaka sounds like Tokyo and most of the signs I see say keep to the left if you aren't walking. However, no one walking on an escalator should get angry if the person in front of them chooses to stand.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Takechanpoo » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:35 pm

guys still dont know JR requested passengers not to step to one side in escalator, regardless of whether right or left
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby matsuki » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:46 pm

Russell wrote:
Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.


Strawman, your 'majority of case' was never witnessed in Nagoya... it's always a majority standing and sometimes a hipster offended not to be able to fly by.

Let me repeat slowly.
If people want to walk, there are these things called "stairs".
It's not even open for negociation as train companies put explicit signs asking not to walk on escalators.

Nagoya must be vastly different from Osaka then, because here virtually everybody walks. And that should be fine. No reason to regulate that.


This always seems soooo mind blowing for Japanese from Osaka/Tokyo when they ask people from inaka which side of the escalator people stand on. "Both? Why would you walk on an escalator?" My US supplier thought it was "cute" that people walked up them in Tokyo but then we saw someone go splat...and he changed his mind. (apparently lifting your feet when your face is in your keitai is difficult)
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:05 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:guys still dont know JR requested passengers not to step to one side in escalator, regardless of whether right or left


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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Salty » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:15 pm

Russell wrote:Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.


Maybe that is what needs to be voted on - to choose whether to permit it, or outlaw it.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Grumpy Gramps » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:33 pm

Yes, Nagoyans are lazy bums standing and waiting on the escalator, which I thought was designed to give you a speed boost when leaping up/downstairs to catch your train on the very last second. Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.

But then there are those days, when your butt hurts and it is nice to stand and wait, so I would be all for keeping the "stand on the left, (s)tumble on the right" rule.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby matsuki » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:49 pm

Grumpy Gramps wrote:Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.


The ones with the cushioning are fucking awesome!! I can't believe people stand on those...

I guess if they really want to stop people from clambering up/down escalators, they could redesign them so the "steps" are even higher and more spaced out than they are now.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:20 pm

matsuki wrote:
Grumpy Gramps wrote:Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.


The ones with the cushioning are fucking awesome!! I can't believe people stand on those...

I guess if they really want to stop people from clambering up/down escalators, they could redesign them so the "steps" are even higher and more spaced out than they are now.


Might be a problem if the escalator stops working while people are on it.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Salty » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:24 pm

matsuki wrote:
Grumpy Gramps wrote:Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.


The ones with the cushioning are fucking awesome!! I can't believe people stand on those...

I guess if they really want to stop people from clambering up/down escalators, they could redesign them so the "steps" are even higher and more spaced out than they are now.


Actually, these exist - and are all over the place these days. They are called elevators....
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby matsuki » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:30 pm

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Grumpy Gramps wrote:Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.


The ones with the cushioning are fucking awesome!! I can't believe people stand on those...

I guess if they really want to stop people from clambering up/down escalators, they could redesign them so the "steps" are even higher and more spaced out than they are now.


Might be a problem if the escalator stops working while people are on it.


I'm not saying it should be impossible to climb, just more inconvenient to. Even though they are taller than regular stairs as is, most people don't seem to notice/care about the difference.
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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Coligny » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:42 pm

matsuki wrote:I'm not saying it should be impossible to climb, just more inconvenient to. Even though they are taller than regular stairs as is, most people don't seem to notice/care about the difference.


You sir, are a moron...

An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience.

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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Russell » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:54 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
Russell wrote:
Coligny wrote:
Russell wrote:Nobody is demanding that people with disabilities walk on escalators.

However, in the majority of cases people on escalators want to walk, and they should be able to do so if they choose. The occasional time when someone wants to stand still is no problem, but that happens rarely, especially in rush hour.


Strawman, your 'majority of case' was never witnessed in Nagoya... it's always a majority standing and sometimes a hipster offended not to be able to fly by.

Let me repeat slowly.
If people want to walk, there are these things called "stairs".
It's not even open for negociation as train companies put explicit signs asking not to walk on escalators.

Nagoya must be vastly different from Osaka then, because here virtually everybody walks. And that should be fine. No reason to regulate that.


Osaka sounds like Tokyo and most of the signs I see say keep to the left if you aren't walking. However, no one walking on an escalator should get angry if the person in front of them chooses to stand.

Yes, SJ, completely agree. Not walking on an escalator should be optional.

The risk of putting signs all over the place is that people will actually obey them (this is Japan after all), making the situation not necessarily better from a practical point of view. The reason why most people in the Nagoya area allegedly do not walk on escalators is those signs, rather than some form of inbred quality that keeps them from walking.

Nah, requiring Osaka people to not walk on escalators is not going to work anyway, methinks...

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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Russell » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:59 pm

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Grumpy Gramps wrote:Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.


The ones with the cushioning are fucking awesome!! I can't believe people stand on those...

I guess if they really want to stop people from clambering up/down escalators, they could redesign them so the "steps" are even higher and more spaced out than they are now.

Steps should be so big that only people with long legs can scale them...

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Re: Left or right: which is right?

Postby Salty » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:03 pm

matsuki wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
matsuki wrote:
Grumpy Gramps wrote:Just like the moving walkways in airports, where no-one in their right mind would want you to stand and wait.


The ones with the cushioning are fucking awesome!! I can't believe people stand on those...

I guess if they really want to stop people from clambering up/down escalators, they could redesign them so the "steps" are even higher and more spaced out than they are now.


Might be a problem if the escalator stops working while people are on it.


I'm not saying it should be impossible to climb, just more inconvenient to. Even though they are taller than regular stairs as is, most people don't seem to notice/care about the difference.


The blind, the aged, children, heck - even me too, would probably disagree with changing the rise in escalators - for safety sake.
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