Bargain hunters beware

[legion]

What does it have to do with anything ?

Your sense of entitlement

I'm still wowed out by the fact a series of ones and zeroes can fly through the air and turn into a picture or line of text

Machine code, absolutely mind boggling if you think about it.

[Salty]

Well if it is still phoning home and reporting on keystrokes even when told not to, that would not be paranoia - that would indeed be spying. But I do get your overall point - we get spied on all of the time. I`ll still be waiting until the very last...

I meant that last time I checked (a couple of days ago) there were unverified "reports," which are likely to be based more on paranoia than reality. If any keylogging activity is verified you can bet that the excrement will cross paths with the rotary ventilation device big time.

Yes, I agree - exactly what they are doing still needs verification. But I am wondering if it isn`t tied to US laws - anti terrorism stuff, which would be just as bad IMO

I would hate to think that my off-line activity (taxes, various spreadsheets, drafts of letters, photoes, etc. - were being shared once I came back online.

[Russell]

Coligny-chan,

You sound very paranoid about the contents of your hard drive

Please rest assured the sheer volume of data is your best defense.

None of the bullshit you wrote has any relevance with the problem of suspected built in reporting in Win10

Microsoft has been at the forefront of software security incompetence since the mid 90'
The issue is not mainly Microsoft spying on you. Which stinks a bit but will be tamed by the fear of legal sanction and share price freefall in case of misbehaviour.
The issue is with these morons implementing these kind of backdoors into the OS we are basically days away from some Russian hackers group finding them and potentially exploiting them either for botnet purpose or the new "data hostage for ransom" schemes.
The job of a phone is to comunicate, the job of an operating system is to run software.
My phone knows where I go... THAT'S HIS FUCKING JOB
My os... His job is running A10 warthog smoothly, not reporting anywhere if I used MSPaint to draw a dick on your moms wedding pictures.

And as some other here you pleasantly defecate on the concept of free will, showing your disdain for the individual other than you to exist.
I can choose to carry an Iphone because the functions outweight the drawbacks. I can even carry it in an rfid safepouch acting as a faraday cage. The potential drawbacks are direct result of its primary function, it's a communication device. It also include opt-out settings for any reporting capability. Including the phone part if I use the airplane mode. And I'm not aware of any safety bug that have been exploited to compromise an iphone.
Considering it Orwellian ignore the fact that it's not mandatory or that the privacy invasion potential are a side effect and not a primary purpose. Not too hard to buy a second hand phone and a prepaid card that you trade with someone else. In this case, the phone knows that -someone- went -somewhere- which is not intel actionable upon...
And it's not the topic...

I think I got a new hobby for you...

[Coligny]

You already forgot my issues...

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What is the message you are carrying here ? Sounds like "we don't understand the issue so you are not allowed to care aboot it" to me...

[Russell]

What is the message you are carrying here ? Sounds like "we don't understand the issue so you are not allowed to care aboot it" to me...

My message is:

Relax!

[Yokohammer]

Well if it is still phoning home and reporting on keystrokes even when told not to, that would not be paranoia - that would indeed be spying. But I do get your overall point - we get spied on all of the time. I`ll still be waiting until the very last...

I meant that last time I checked (a couple of days ago) there were unverified "reports," which are likely to be based more on paranoia than reality. If any keylogging activity is verified you can bet that the excrement will cross paths with the rotary ventilation device big time.

Yes, I agree - exactly what they are doing still needs verification. But I am wondering if it isn`t tied to US laws - anti terrorism stuff, which would be just as bad IMO

I would hate to think that my off-line activity (taxes, various spreadsheets, drafts of letters, photoes, etc. - were being shared once I came back online.

That's a possibility. Both Apple and Microsoft (and just about every other US enterprise with a finger on the Internet) have already been implicated in the NSA wiretapping fiasco. If the NSA are involved, there's likely to be some nefarious shit going on. But staying away from Win 10 won't keep you safe. You could stay with Win 7/8/8.1 in the belief that you're safe from prying eyes and ears, only to have a little added functionality slipped into your OS via an "update." You'll be forced to update at some point anyway. Might as well get a head start.

[yanpa]

Or bite the bullet and go Linux. No it won't be easy, or even perfectly safe, but much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed. Avoid Ubuntu.

[legion]

Or bite the bullet and go Linux. No it won't be easy, or even perfectly safe, but much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed. Avoid Ubuntu.

sheesh

you don't wander around Akihabara with a rucksack by any chance do you?

[legion]

That's a possibility. Both Apple and Microsoft (and just about every other US enterprise with a finger on the Internet) have already been implicated in the NSA wiretapping fiasco. If the NSA are involved, there's likely to be some nefarious shit going on. But staying away from Win 10 won't keep you safe. You could stay with Win 7/8/8.1 in the belief that you're safe from prying eyes and ears, only to have a little added functionality slipped into your OS via an "update." You'll be forced to update at some point anyway. Might as well get a head start.

yup

[Grumpy Gramps]

I'd not be so hard on Microsoft. They create so many bugs that millions of little coders worldwide have jobs to build fixes and workarounds. If Microsoft would ever start to make quality, safe and secure products, they would all lose their jobs and the worldwide unemployment rate in IT would go totally through the roof. So IMO Microsoft is a job creator.

much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed.

Has the old issue of BSD being backdoored by the yankees ever really been resolved?

[wuchan]

I'd not be so hard on Microsoft. They create so many bugs that millions of little coders worldwide have jobs to build fixes and workarounds. If Microsoft would ever start to make quality, safe and secure products, they would all lose their jobs and the worldwide unemployment rate in IT would go totally through the roof. So IMO Microsoft is a job creator.

much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed.

Has the old issue of BSD being backdoored by the yankees ever really been resolved?

In microsoft's defense, they do make secure high quality products. The problem is you have to buy an enterprise 10K+ install license before they begin to care.



EDIT: sorry for the very late edit.... If you buy a 100k+ install license microsoft will support your OS for 15 years. There are cases like the US government where MS still supplies security updates for windowsNT2000.

[Russell]

I'd not be so hard on Microsoft. They create so many bugs that millions of little coders worldwide have jobs to build fixes and workarounds. If Microsoft would ever start to make quality, safe and secure products, they would all lose their jobs and the worldwide unemployment rate in IT would go totally through the roof. So IMO Microsoft is a job creator.

much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed.

Has the old issue of BSD being backdoored by the yankees ever really been resolved?

Since when is BSD Linux?

[Coligny]

I'd not be so hard on Microsoft. They create so many bugs that millions of little coders worldwide have jobs to build fixes and workarounds. If Microsoft would ever start to make quality, safe and secure products, they would all lose their jobs and the worldwide unemployment rate in IT would go totally through the roof. So IMO Microsoft is a job creator.

much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed.

Has the old issue of BSD being backdoored by the yankees ever really been resolved?

Since when is BSD Linux?

MODS !!! Somebody hijacked Russel's account !!!

There is no way the real Russell cares about the difference between linux and BSD

[Russell]

I'd not be so hard on Microsoft. They create so many bugs that millions of little coders worldwide have jobs to build fixes and workarounds. If Microsoft would ever start to make quality, safe and secure products, they would all lose their jobs and the worldwide unemployment rate in IT would go totally through the roof. So IMO Microsoft is a job creator.

much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed.

Has the old issue of BSD being backdoored by the yankees ever really been resolved?

Since when is BSD Linux?

MODS !!! Somebody hijacked Russel's account !!!

There is no way the real Russell cares about the difference between linux and BSD

Who shat in your cornflakes this morning, Coligny?!?

[Coligny]

The rabbit as usual, that's why I hate breakfast at the Mad Hatter's place.

Bur the bigger issue was that he was out of milk...

[Grumpy Gramps]

Since when is BSD Linux?

Oops sorry, you are right, BSD is OS X, therefore Apple, therefore infected, just like Windows. And Linux is Android, infected by Google. We must die

[kurogane]

Or bite the bullet and go Linux. No it won't be easy, or even perfectly safe, but much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed. Avoid Ubuntu.

sheesh

you don't wander around Akihabara with a rucksack by any chance do you?

Linux has always struck me as an (old school) AV Club thing (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho ... p?t=507466). I admire the spirit of the Linux Lions, but am too much of a hyena to care.

[yanpa]

Or bite the bullet and go Linux. No it won't be easy, or even perfectly safe, but much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed. Avoid Ubuntu.

sheesh

you don't wander around Akihabara with a rucksack by any chance do you?

Now, what you couldn't know is that I and legion actually bumped into each other on the street in Akihabara just recently, though only one of us was wearing a rucksack. Not sure what legion was up to come to think of it, but I can deny I was on my way to the LittleBSD Cafe to perform some backdoor penetration testing.

[kurogane]

Quel fun. And you both call it a rucksack, which is terribly quaint, even if it shouldn't be.

[yanpa]

much harder to build a backdoor without being noticed.

Has the old issue of BSD being backdoored by the yankees ever really been resolved?

Do note I said "harder", not "impossible" . Bruce Schneier thinks not, though Linus was apparently asked to do a backdoor insertion. Which just leaves the question as to whether Theo de Raadt, Linus Torvalds and for that matter Bruce Schneier are NSA shills.

[Samurai_Jerk]

And you both call it a rucksack, which is terribly quaint

Thank you for pointing that out.

[yanpa]

Quel fun. And you both call it a rucksack, which is terribly quaint, even if it shouldn't be.

Oh terribly sorry, I meant knapsack.

[Coligny]

Now, what you couldn't know is that I and legion actually bumped into each other on the street in Akihabara just recently, though only one of us was wearing a rucksack. Not sure what legion was up to come to think of it, but I can deny I was on my way to the LittleBSD Cafe to perform some backdoor penetration testing.

There is a gaybar joke dying to be done here...

Salty, ya git somethng in stock ready for delivery ?

[legion]

Quel fun. And you both call it a rucksack, which is terribly quaint, even if it shouldn't be.

Oh terribly sorry, I meant knapsack.

Damn, is that why I can never find the perfect backpack on the internets, I'm using the wrong search word.

And by the way, I was carrying a canvas tote bag, summer is too sweaty for haversacks

For the record I was off to Role & Roll to play Exploding Kittens

[yanpa]

Goats, eh? I should give the Oatmeal guy honarary FG membership as AFAIK he has a Japanese girlfriend.

[Salty]

Now, what you couldn't know is that I and legion actually bumped into each other on the street in Akihabara just recently, though only one of us was wearing a rucksack. Not sure what legion was up to come to think of it, but I can deny I was on my way to the LittleBSD Cafe to perform some backdoor penetration testing.

There is a gaybar joke dying to be done here...

Salty, ya git somethng in stock ready for delivery ?

So sorry - I have eliminated gay jokes after offending someone.... I might have to slip one in though… thru the backdoor?

[Coligny]

Now, what you couldn't know is that I and legion actually bumped into each other on the street in Akihabara just recently, though only one of us was wearing a rucksack. Not sure what legion was up to come to think of it, but I can deny I was on my way to the LittleBSD Cafe to perform some backdoor penetration testing.

There is a gaybar joke dying to be done here...

Salty, ya git somethng in stock ready for delivery ?

So sorry - I have eliminated gay jokes after offending someone.... I might have to slip one in though… thru the backdoor?

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[Russell]

In a small cathedral a janitor was cleaning the pews between services when he was approached by the minister. The minister asked the janitor, "Could you go into the confessional and listen to confessions for me? I really have to go to the bathroom and the Widow McGee is coming. She tends to go on but never really does anything worthy of serious repentance, so when she's done just give her 10 Hail Mary's and I'll be right back."

Being the helpful sort, the janitor agreed. Just as expected the Widow McGee came into the booth and started her confession. "Oh Father, I fear I have done the unforgivable. I have given into carnal thoughts and have had oral sex."

Stunned, the janitor had no idea how to handle this situation. Surely 10 Hail Mary's would not do. So, in a moment of desperation the janitor peered his head out of the confessional and asked an altar boy, "Son, what does the minister give for oral sex?" In reply the altar boy said, "Two Snickers bars and a Coke."

[yanpa]

Quel fun. And you both call it a rucksack, which is terribly quaint, even if it shouldn't be.

Backpacks are so normcore.

[wagyl]

Quel fun. And you both call it a rucksack, which is terribly quaint, even if it shouldn't be.

Backpacks are so normcore.

All the girls are after kuro gotsu, the black and bulky ones.

You know what they say... once you go for it...

I also like how "about 10000 yen" has to be converted to a rate accurate to the cent.