JAL 787 on fire !!!! OMG WTF BBQ...

[Coligny]

It's unfair. That's the only purpose of the SA-11
Plus unlike the USS Vincennes ( a f'king Ticonderoga class frigate) seems they really wanted to shootdown a civvie airliner. Not shooting an Airbus thinking it was an F14...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

[Wage Slave]

And another Boeing on fire while taxiing for takeoff. This time a 767 in Florida. A GE engine we wonder? Whatever it was it burned pretty good as they say.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fort-lauderdale/fl-fort-lauderdale-airport-plane-fire-20151029-story.html

[Coligny]

Starting to think it's a self solving problem... Aircraft darwinism or sumthing...

[Tsuru]

Let's see... one of the oldest 767's flying today, and one of the few still flying with the old PW JT9 engines (PW4000 predecessor as found on the 747 classics).
Only ~15 previous operators before being leased to some third rate POS charter carrier flying from Miami to LatAm.

And how many people died?

[Salty]

Let's see... one of the oldest 767's flying today, and one of the few still flying with the old PW JT9 engines (PW4000 predecessor as found on the 747 classics).
Only ~15 previous operators before being leased to some third rate POS charter carrier flying from Miami to LatAm.

And how many people died?

No deaths - just 21 (or so) injured - down thwe slide stuff. (Or so I heard on TV news while driving this evening...)

[Coligny]

If every reported accident don't count because of ...sumthing... The stats are going to look really great.

The plane was reported to leak fuel on the ground before takeoff but apparently not enough for someone to give a flying fuck. I thought only the SR71 wuz doing this on purpose...

[Tsuru]

Nobody is saying it "doesn't count". But it's worth pointing out it was a different type powered by different engines from a different manufacturer, which caught fire during a different flight phase and very probably for a different reason. Everyone lived to tell the tale, people should stop reading too much into these things.

And TV news, at least whenever it concerns something related to aviation, might just as well be continuous reruns of Die Hard 2 for most people.

[Wage Slave]

An old Airbus 321 this time. No details available yet but it fell out of the sky quickly.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139

[Russell]

An old Airbus 321 this time. No details available yet but it fell out of the sky quickly.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139

Do those airbuses have some kind of Sony timers?

[Coligny]

Gravitality !!!!!!!

[Coligny]

An old Airbus 321 this time. No details available yet but it fell out of the sky quickly.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34687139

Do those airbuses have some kind of Sony timers?

¿Que?

[matsuki]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/sony ... r-hearsay/

[Tsuru]

If you were looking for patterns, this is a much better one. Another airbus which apparently fell to earth after running out of airspeed due to an unexplained accelerated climb at altitude, but this time in calm air over the desert.

QZ8501 went down in a similar way and the final report for this crash was due this month after being postponed three times, but so far I've seen sweet f*ck-all. I have a feeling some people would rather have this report lost of buried.

If you were still stupid enough to own EADS stock, get rid of it and don't buy any until all of these weird accidents apparently caused by some glitch in the software (A400M crash, QZ8501 and probably the one that went down today) are properly investigated, explained and their cause remedied.

[Wage Slave]

Doesn't mean a whole lot to me but maybe to some of you:

2DF812EB00000578-3297871-According_to_flight_data_trackers_the_aircraft_plunged_rapidly_a-a-38_1446289242871.jpg

[Russell]

Russian airline reveals holiday jet crash could only have been caused by a 'mechanical impact' and NOT a technical fault or pilot error... as evidence points towards a bomb

Terrorism and aviation experts believe a bomb may have been responsible, pointing to the fact there was no distress call and that the fuselage skin had peeled outwards possibly due to a 'force acting outwards from within'.

In other news:

Flight recorders show crashed Russian jet was not struck from outside

[Wage Slave]

I won't be shorting EADS just yet then.

[wagyl]

I won't be shorting EADS just yet then.

A typical amateur's mistake.

The market has nothing to do with facts, and everything to do with perception.
Also, if you are reacting after news has broken, you are too slow.

[chibaka]

Brits are being flown home soon, no one allowed to have any luggage in the hold. Says a lot for Egyptian ground staff me thinks...

[Wage Slave]

Yes. And it's caused quite a bust up with Egypt and Russia. The UK security services and others seem pretty convinced that plane was brought down by a bomb in the hold.

Which makes me wonder - if the flight pattern was the same as that Indonesian Jet then perhaps that's what happened to that too. A bomb in the hold that blew off the tail - presumably the Indonesian government isn't keen to admit that either so that explains why the report is not forthcoming.

Certainly looks less and less like an Airbus A320 software flaw that EADS is trying to keep quiet.

[chibaka]

Could well be, but there is a reason to target Russia. Bombing the shite out of ISIS in Syria are they not? Or maybe bombing anyone who is anti Assad... That's why Dave couldn't wait, which airline would get targeted next... UK... US... Good call in my opinion.

[legion]

If it was a bomb I hope the scum that planted it come to understand what the have done.

[Coligny]

If it was a bomb I hope the scum that planted it come to understand what the have done.

Can we move this post to the "joke/humour" thread ?

[Russell]

Story

[Samurai_Jerk]

All the pieces are conveniently falling together.

Russia: Plane brought down by homemade explosive device

A homemade explosive device brought down a Russian passenger plane over Egypt last month, the head of Russia's FSB security service said Tuesday, telling Russian President Vladimir Putin it's now clear the bombing that killed 224 people was a "terrorist" act.

He said tests showed the explosives had been produced outside of Russia, but gave no further details.

All of the people on board, most of them Russian tourists, were killed when the plane crashed shortly after taking off from Sharm al-Sheikh on Oct. 31.

Putin vowed to hunt down those responsible for the attack.

"There's no statute of limitations for this, we need to know all of their names," Putin said. "We're going to look for them everywhere wherever they are hiding. We will find them in any place on Earth and punish them."

[chibaka]

If all of these IS people could be rounded up in one place, who would agree to turning that place into glass, you know, the N word.
I would in a heart beat. Let's hear the lefties call....

[Wage Slave]

I suppose. I don't see any particular benefit over using conventional bombs though. Dead is dead and perhaps we might want to use the land for something.

What I find curious about Daesh is that they have no air defences and yet the attentions of 6 national airforces don't seem to have had any severe impact on their operations. They continue to produce and sell oil with the product travelling by truck for long distances. The pictures of where Mohammed EMwazi got his just desserts showed their favourite clock tower crucifixion site unscathed as was their headquarters. And yet at last count they were being bombed by the air forces of:

1. Jordan
2. Syria
3. The US
4. France
5. The UK
6. Russia

The US in the Iraq war could destroy command and control of the Iraqi Army within two days and just about nothing of strategic value could move without being hit within a week or so. But not Daesh - They can operate at more or less full capacity.

[Russell]

I suppose. I don't see any particular benefit over using conventional bombs though. Dead is dead and perhaps we might want to use the land for something.

What I find curious about Daesh is that they have no air defences and yet the attentions of 6 national airforces don't seem to have had any severe impact on their operations. They continue to produce and sell oil with the product travelling by truck for long distances. The pictures of where Mohammed EMwazi got his just desserts showed their favourite clock tower crucifixion site unscathed as was their headquarters. And yet at last count they were being bombed by the air forces of:

1. Jordan
2. Syria
3. The US
4. France
5. The UK
6. Russia

The US in the Iraq war could destroy command and control of the Iraqi Army within two days and just about nothing of strategic value could move without being hit within a week or so. But not Daesh - They can operate at more or less full capacity.

I have been thinking that too.

But maybe they serve their purpose. You never know what those intelligence agencies of the western powers are up to...

[Tsuru]

The Russians don't really bomb Daesh, they bomb the rebels to the north to bolster Assad, not giving one fuck about civilians. Most of the Daesh brass are probably hiding among the civilian population, using them as human shields in true Saddam Hussein fashion. Once the Russians start bombing Daesh as well, then you will see some shit. They will probably start doing this soon to retaliate for the bombing of the A321. And of course once they start, the Russians will keep pounding Raqqah until it looks like Grozny. The other airforces who were already engaged in bombing Daesh are generally a little more... considerate of non-combatants.

Daesh has actually lost quite a lot of ground over the last few weeks/months:, they lost most of their experienced fighters, the Kurds have cut them off from Turkey where they were selling their oil, and most recently Sinjar was captured and Mosul was cut off from the rest of Daesh-held territory. It's only a matter of time before they wither and die.

edit- They started already:

[Coligny]

It's...

Beautifull...

Like MACKS but in autumn...

[Wage Slave]

Hmmmm. Well there's certainly a great deal of self restraint being exercised in certain cases. I noticed a politician on the radio this morning briefly referred to the fact their headquarters is still untouched ...but he didn't really explain why, inferring that it was out of respect for civilian casualties and for lack of legal authority.

It is odd. Enormous strategic importance, enormous symbolic importance, relatively few (if any) civilians nearby if it is done in the middle of the night, easily targeted with accurate weapons that won't cause a lot of collateral damage, no effective air defences - So why isn't it a pile of rubble?

There must be another reason, but we aren't going to be told at this stage. I'm not one to speculate too much but I will say it's hard to think of a good reason for not destroying that building that isn't pretty scary.