Those Koreans got a lot of nerve

[Samurai_Jerk]

... Nearly half of South Koreans aged 65 and older live on less than half the national median income,...

This would be true for most countries.... and almost, by definition.

Good point.

[Coligny]

I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH !!!

[Wage Slave]

... Nearly half of South Koreans aged 65 and older live on less than half the national median income,...

This would be true for most countries.... and almost, by definition.

Good point.

I'm not so sure it is - although it isn't clear whether the article means household income or individual income or individual in work income.

Anyway, UK median (not average) household income is about 30k dollars a year. The new flat rate state pension alone for two people is more that 50% of that. Add in other benefits and safety nets and personal pension plans and savings income and I don't think anywhere near half of those aged over 65 live on less than half median household income.

[Wage Slave]

... Nearly half of South Koreans aged 65 and older live on less than half the national median income,...

This would be true for most countries.... and almost, by definition.

Oh wait. Did you mean that by the definition of median income nearly half of the sample live on less than the median income? That's of course true but it isn't what the statement says at all. Hopefully, the number of people living on less than half the median income would be much lower than 25%. Mathematically speaking it could easily be zero.

In the UK, the working definition of poverty insofar as income is concerned, is below 60% of median household income.

[Samurai_Jerk]

... Nearly half of South Koreans aged 65 and older live on less than half the national median income,...

This would be true for most countries.... and almost, by definition.

Oh wait. Did you mean that by the definition of median income nearly half of the sample live on less than the median income? That's of course true but it isn't what the statement says at all. Hopefully, the number of people living on less than half the median income would be much lower than 25%. Mathematically speaking it could easily be zero.

In the UK, the working definition of poverty insofar as income is concerned, is below 60% of median household income.

Yeah, looks like Salty and I both misread that. They should have used half as many halfs in that sentence.

[kurogane]

I am now feeling rather half-witted myself here. Am I wrong to say that that article claims that almost 50% of Koreans aged >65 years live on less than half the national median income?

Which is a rather shocking statistic, but it is Korea.

[Wage Slave]

At the risk of being too clever by half - No, you are not wrong in stating that. And yes, it's a dreadful statistic - It means that unless that 50% of over 65s have significant family or social or cultural resources they are living in poverty. Not nice. Tried it once and didn't like it at all. Not one bit.

[kurogane]

No, no, you weren't half wrong to do it............

Yes. Even allowing for unreported sources of income or support...........yes. So much for the Confucian Miracle. And Korean old people are the nice ones, at least around here. Dreadful stuff. I have never been properly poor, but I lived without much for a few years, and that was when I was healthy and full of hope and such.

[Salty]

... Nearly half of South Koreans aged 65 and older live on less than half the national median income,...

This would be true for most countries.... and almost, by definition.

Oh wait. Did you mean that by the definition of median income nearly half of the sample live on less than the median income? That's of course true but it isn't what the statement says at all. Hopefully, the number of people living on less than half the median income would be much lower than 25%. Mathematically speaking it could easily be zero.

In the UK, the working definition of poverty insofar as income is concerned, is below 60% of median household income.

Yeah, looks like Salty and I both misread that. They should have used half as many halfs in that sentence.

Yes indeed - I was had, or did I have myself... have, or half myself?

[kurogane]

I think we should call it a 50/50 split, but I can't think of how you would put that in words.................

[Salty]

I think we should call it a 50/50 split, but I can't think of how you would put that in words.................

Either way, I fear I am exposed as a halfwit.... Good that I can comfortably live on double the median income....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_ho ... Statistics

[Coligny]

You are killing me... Can we stop the torture now ?

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Hummmmmm po-tay-toe...

[kurogane]

I think we should call it a 50/50 split, but I can't think of how you would put that in words.................

Either way, I fear I am exposed as a halfwit.... Good that I can comfortably live on double the median income....

Well, that's not a half bad consolation.............

[Russell]

You are killing me... Can we stop the torture now ?

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Hummmmmm po-tay-toe...

Don't worry.

I am good at math, but I stopped trying to make sense from these guys long ago.

Then again, I got a headache...

[kurogane]

I am not half bad at arithmetic but math is harder by half...............

[Takechanpoo]

its like a schizophrenic crazy bitch who is going into hysterics all year long and is intoxicated to behave like a tragic heroine.
i hope those k-whores statues be also built in new york, la, chicago, dalas and the other north american main big cities.
and the world people will keep in mind korea, which is a parasite of japan and has a tradition to ruthlessly abandon or sell their children as a whore or an adopted child(i.e. a slave), as a state of the whores, by the whores, for the whores forever. good for you.


"The Koreans are mostly exaggerators or barefaced liars, by heredity
and by training, and it is impossible to accept without careful
verification, the statements which they make with regard to
Japanese misbehavior."
- George Kennan

[Coligny]

Where can I buy so of them korean seks slave ? I just repainted the dungeon room and need new slaves...

[Russell]

Where can I buy so of them korean seks slave ? I just repainted the dungeon room and need new slaves...

Just send your donation to Kim Jong Un.

[Coligny]

I don't want the starving one, i want the cosmeticamatically enhanced slutz...

[Russell]

I don't want the starving one, i want the cosmeticamatically enhanced slutz...

But, but, the starving ones do swallow...

[Salty]

... a tradition to ruthlessly abandon or sell their children as a whore or an adopted child(i.e. a slave), ...

I know a Japanese woman who was sold by her mother and thus worked as a slave for a family here in Japan. Her mother was a whore, or so the woman says.

Also, 6 of 12 homes in my neighborhood share the same surname - yet are not related by blood. All of them owned by people whose fathers, or they themselves - were adopted by a farmer in one of these homes right after the war, so essentially slaves for high labor rice farming.

So it wasn`t just in Korea that poverty pushed women into prostitution and both girls and boys into slavery.

[kurogane]

It seems a little unfair to confuse him with facts, but yeah to all that. The whole tenant farmer system was seriously fucked up mediaeval shit that lasted until 1947, at which point the average life span of a Japanese woman was <<<<40. I almost laughed when I read the words for tithe and corvee in post-Meiji social histories; then I cried instead.

[wagyl]

Also, 6 of 12 homes in my neighborhood share the same surname - yet are not related by blood. All of them owned by people whose fathers, or they themselves - were adopted by a farmer in one of these homes right after the war, so essentially slaves for high labor rice farming.

So it wasn`t just in Korea that poverty pushed women into prostitution and both girls and boys into slavery.

I seem to remember that you come from the United States. It is probably a good thing to be reminded that there is a significant proportion of the population of the United States which has a visceral understanding of the concept of slavery and which does not appreciate the misuse and cheapening of the term.

As for rural (or indeed artisan community) adoption, maybe you call it slavery. Can I instead call it "helping out a family with no sons [and yes, a labour shortage] and helping out a third son from another family who has no prospects of inheriting property or a role, by supporting him through his youth and providing him with status and property, and promoting the future stability of the community." It sounds like a win-win to me. Ask the adoptees where they would have been and what they would have had if they had not been adopted. Hell, ask the adoptees whether they consider they were sold into slavery before making your mind up.

It seems a little unfair to confuse him with facts, but yeah to all that. The whole tenant farmer system was seriously fucked up mediaeval shit that lasted until 1947, at which point the average life span of a Japanese woman was <<<<40. I almost laughed when I read the words for tithe and corvee in post-Meiji social histories; then I cried instead.

Kuro, if you have not done so already, you should read the passages by Isabella Bird about conditions in Ibaraki (one of your faves!) 135 years ago. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2184

[matsuki]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

[Mike Oxlong]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

In a discussion with a local lemur, it seems many ladies of breeding age seem to have the goal of having a child, that is of giving birth. If I understand correctly, said goal does not extend to raising a child. Once they pop one out, it's mission accomplished, back to their accustomed lifestyle.

[matsuki]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

In a discussion with a local lemur, it seems many ladies of breeding age seem to have the goal of having a child, that is of giving birth. If I understand correctly, said goal does not extend to raising a child. Once they pop one out, it's mission accomplished, back to their accustomed lifestyle.

The whole zangyo/isogashii work culture isn't exactly producing the most well rounded families either. Whether the parent is just a pushover or a workaholic, I've heard soo many unbelievable stories where work sekinin had priority over kids, the wife in a hospital, etc.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

In a discussion with a local lemur, it seems many ladies of breeding age seem to have the goal of having a child, that is of giving birth. If I understand correctly, said goal does not extend to raising a child. Once they pop one out, it's mission accomplished, back to their accustomed lifestyle.

The whole zangyo/isogashii work culture isn't exactly producing the most well rounded families either. Whether the parent is just a pushover or a workaholic, I've heard soo many unbelievable stories where work sekinin had priority over kids, the wife in a hospital, etc.

But hasn't is been that way forever?

[Mike Oxlong]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

In a discussion with a local lemur, it seems many ladies of breeding age seem to have the goal of having a child, that is of giving birth. If I understand correctly, said goal does not extend to raising a child. Once they pop one out, it's mission accomplished, back to their accustomed lifestyle.

The whole zangyo/isogashii work culture isn't exactly producing the most well rounded families either. Whether the parent is just a pushover or a workaholic, I've heard soo many unbelievable stories where work sekinin had priority over kids, the wife in a hospital, etc.

But hasn't is been that way forever?

I don't think the "mom ain't got no time for kids / let tv & day care raise them" thing has been around forever. Seems a more recent development.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

In a discussion with a local lemur, it seems many ladies of breeding age seem to have the goal of having a child, that is of giving birth. If I understand correctly, said goal does not extend to raising a child. Once they pop one out, it's mission accomplished, back to their accustomed lifestyle.

The whole zangyo/isogashii work culture isn't exactly producing the most well rounded families either. Whether the parent is just a pushover or a workaholic, I've heard soo many unbelievable stories where work sekinin had priority over kids, the wife in a hospital, etc.

But hasn't is been that way forever?

I don't think the "mom ain't got no time for kids / let tv & day care raise them" thing has been around forever. Seems a more recent development.

I was talking about this part:

The whole zangyo/isogashii work culture isn't exactly producing the most well rounded families either. Whether the parent is just a pushover or a workaholic, I've heard soo many unbelievable stories where work sekinin had priority over kids, the wife in a hospital, etc.

[matsuki]

I'm more disgusted with 2015 Japan and the parents who "ain't got no time fo no kizzu." Not to mention, daddy issues are far from rare here...

In a discussion with a local lemur, it seems many ladies of breeding age seem to have the goal of having a child, that is of giving birth. If I understand correctly, said goal does not extend to raising a child. Once they pop one out, it's mission accomplished, back to their accustomed lifestyle.

The whole zangyo/isogashii work culture isn't exactly producing the most well rounded families either. Whether the parent is just a pushover or a workaholic, I've heard soo many unbelievable stories where work sekinin had priority over kids, the wife in a hospital, etc.

But hasn't is been that way forever?

Seems like it (at least in the major cities) but there are rays of hope when you hear the children of these drones saying they don't want to end up like that or the parents (usually the father) obviously regretting not being there for their own kids and attempting to atone. One of my friend's pops was never at home....either work or play but pretty much spent zero time with his kids. Now that he's almost retired, he's got free time and is volunteering here and there and some kind of local pillar of the community. (wants to keep a good public image? enjoys teaching kids sports?) Which is hilarious because when she sees him volunteering or whatnot, she's always getting "you're soo lucky to have such a great dad!" and "you must have had a great childhood with a father like this!" She just shrugs it off and says "they couldn't be farther from the truth but if they see him now and get the idea that this is what a father should be, at least some people will benefit from it."