My Number

[matsuki]

suckers eat it up, not knowing how much better it would be for them if it didn't have to be done under the table.

Will it be? Tax fee income is a better deal for a lot of people. I know an FG who even though he has a good job and makes a decent income still does the fake priest thing on the weekends. He came make over 100,000 yen cash off the books on a good day. I don't see how making it legit would benefit him financially in any way.

Definitely depends on the type of work but in many cases, it's the company trying to avoid hiring a full time employee.

[Samurai_Jerk]

suckers eat it up, not knowing how much better it would be for them if it didn't have to be done under the table.

Will it be? Tax fee income is a better deal for a lot of people. I know an FG who even though he has a good job and makes a decent income still does the fake priest thing on the weekends. He came make over 100,000 yen cash off the books on a good day. I don't see how making it legit would benefit him financially in any way.

Definitely depends on the type of work but in many cases, it's the company trying to avoid hiring a full time employee.

I could be wrong but I've never heard of a company not allowing part-timers to have side jobs. I think those clauses are only applied to full-time employees.

[matsuki]

I meant the company hiring people under the table.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I meant the company hiring people under the table.

You're changing issues. We're talking about people who already have full-time jobs working on the side.

[matsuki]

I meant the company hiring people under the table.

You're changing issues. We're talking about people who already have full-time jobs working on the side.

Indeed, back to the original point, non-compete clauses are one thing, "we own your right to work" as a standard is just fucked.

[chibaka]

Got a letter last night addressed to my wife, she said it was her "my number". I felt quite left out in a "is it becoz I is white" kind of way, Until I checked this morning, mine was included...

[matsuki]

She's your wife and you don't know her numbaaa? Get them digits!!

(and where is Salty? Cause I really am drinking)

[legion]

I could be wrong but I've never heard of a company not allowing part-timers to have side jobs. I think those clauses are only applied to full-time employees.

You mean Japan had yet to discover zero hour contracts?

[Salty]

What I don`t know yet, is who can obtain it without my disclosure, but I would guess that the NTA and maybe even the banks might be able to do so.

It's not who can lawfully obtain it that concerns me it was this statement that concerns me more

Those leaking the numbers that they are tasked with safeguarding will face punishment, including prison terms of up to four years and as such companies will therefore need to guard the records closely.

4 years in jail for billions of yen worth of information ... fair trade to to me and I'm a relatively honest guy. I can only guess what the less upstanding members of j-society could be thinking.

Only 4 years? That seems low to me, given the money that can be gained thru fraudulent use - and the guy that gets those 4 years may not even be the perp who benefits. At the average annual salary X 4, it seems low vs the potential value of a whole lot of numbers.

[Doctor Stop]

I meant the company hiring people under the table.

That's a strange place to hold an interview.

[Samurai_Jerk]

What I don`t know yet, is who can obtain it without my disclosure, but I would guess that the NTA and maybe even the banks might be able to do so.

It's not who can lawfully obtain it that concerns me it was this statement that concerns me more

Those leaking the numbers that they are tasked with safeguarding will face punishment, including prison terms of up to four years and as such companies will therefore need to guard the records closely.

4 years in jail for billions of yen worth of information ... fair trade to to me and I'm a relatively honest guy. I can only guess what the less upstanding members of j-society could be thinking.

Only 4 years? That seems low to me, given the money that can be gained thru fraudulent use - and the guy that gets those 4 years may not even be the perp who benefits. At the average annual salary X 4, it seems low vs the potential value of a whole lot of numbers.

So you think someone should get more than 4 years for leaking a number if there are no damages proved?

And is it up to 4 years per leak or per number? If it's per number, that could add up pretty quickly.

[wagyl]

Educate me. How would knowing the number for another person allow me to gain money fraudulently?

I can see you issuing everyone with a number allows bureaucracy to save money, but monetising that information from outside that system doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe my criminal mind is not sufficiently developed.

[Salty]

What I don`t know yet, is who can obtain it without my disclosure, but I would guess that the NTA and maybe even the banks might be able to do so.

It's not who can lawfully obtain it that concerns me it was this statement that concerns me more

Those leaking the numbers that they are tasked with safeguarding will face punishment, including prison terms of up to four years and as such companies will therefore need to guard the records closely.

4 years in jail for billions of yen worth of information ... fair trade to to me and I'm a relatively honest guy. I can only guess what the less upstanding members of j-society could be thinking.

Only 4 years? That seems low to me, given the money that can be gained thru fraudulent use - and the guy that gets those 4 years may not even be the perp who benefits. At the average annual salary X 4, it seems low vs the potential value of a whole lot of numbers.

So you think someone should get more than 4 years for leaking a number if there are no damages proved?

And is it up to 4 years per leak or per number? If it's per number, that could add up pretty quickly.

I don`t believe I have ever heard of a Japanese law that added the penalty for each item in a breach, so suspect that the penalty would not be `per number`. Just guessing here.

I suspect that an inadvertent leak (non-intentional) would not even be charged. But the Pension Agency staffer who sells the numbers for elderly people so that the yakuza attached `ore ore` fraudsters can rip off the mentally challenged - should get more than just 4 years IMO - Yes, even if damages cannot be proved. But in these cases - damages are likely to be proved anyway.

But my point was that a cap of 4 years, is too low where hundreds of millions, or even billions may be at stake.

[Salty]

Educate me. How would knowing the number for another person allow me to gain money fraudulently?

I can see you issuing everyone with a number allows bureaucracy to save money, but monetising that information from outside that system doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe my criminal mind is not sufficiently developed.

I believe in Korea, where they had a similar system – knowing the number and name, facilitated creation of fake IDs, which were then used in fraud (loans, purchases, sales of someone else`s property, etc.) The same type of problems that can occur in the US with the SS number. My understanding is that Korea has done away with use of the card as an ID due to these problems.

[wagyl]

But the Pension Agency staffer who sells the numbers for elderly people so that the yakuza attached `ore ore` fraudsters can rip off the mentally challenged - should get more than just 4 years IMO - Yes, even if damages cannot be proved.

You don't need anyone's number to commit oreore fraud. Well, none except their telephone number.

[matsuki]

In the US, you basically just need an ID, SSN and address to create a credit card or online bank account. All kinds of fraud can then be committed with those tools...which I think is the worry here since fraud seems to be on the rise.

[wagyl]

Another one of those "Yep, I'm in Japan" moments: in the pamphlet extolling the many benefits of the My Number system, they announce that there is an official My Number website, and an official My Number twitter account. Putting aside for the moment the question of why they need to tweet about a one off launch of a system, the bit I like is that for both of these, rather than giving the actual URL, they tell you to find them by searching for マイナンバー and マイナンバー　ツイッター respectively. I know this is the land of Yahoo! search, but go on, try to tell me that there is not the risk that search engine optimisation will skew results. Already there are a fairly large number of go.jp sites linked from that search. Which were they thinking of? Also among that list of links is the matome Naver results and the Yahoo! chiebukuro results....

There is also a different information phone number for the card itself rather than the system. There, they advise you to search for 個人番号カード総合サイト but in this case they also give the URL to enter directly http://www.kojinbango-card.go.jp　As a sign of IT savvy, it does not resolve without www.

And lastly, when the Brazilians see that Spanish appears in the information before Portuguese, they are going to go all Capoeira.

[matsuki]

I can at least understand the marketing idiots catering to the average J-tard here using Engrish ザッ and マイ before whatever they're peddling but this whole campaign being pushed by the J-gov in vague Engrish 「マイナンバー」is really beyond me. My number? 080-XXXX-XXXX...

[Salty]

I can at least understand the marketing idiots catering to the average J-tard here using Engrish ザッ and マイ before whatever they're peddling but this whole campaign being pushed by the J-gov in vague Engrish 「マイナンバー」is really beyond me. My number? 080-XXXX-XXXX...

Does My Number even have a Japanese name?

[Samurai_Jerk]

I can at least understand the marketing idiots catering to the average J-tard here using Engrish ザッ and マイ before whatever they're peddling but this whole campaign being pushed by the J-gov in vague Engrish 「マイナンバー」is really beyond me. My number? 080-XXXX-XXXX...

Yeah, it's all cute enough but government agencies should be using real Japanese. Hello Work and My Number.

[matsuki]

I can at least understand the marketing idiots catering to the average J-tard here using Engrish ザッ and マイ before whatever they're peddling but this whole campaign being pushed by the J-gov in vague Engrish 「マイナンバー」is really beyond me. My number? 080-XXXX-XXXX...

Yeah, it's all cute enough but government agencies should be using real Japanese. Hello Work and My Number.

ハローワーク is Hello work? I always assumed it was some non-English borrowed word.....WTF?

Language, like physics, works different in Japan....

[Samurai_Jerk]

I can at least understand the marketing idiots catering to the average J-tard here using Engrish ザッ and マイ before whatever they're peddling but this whole campaign being pushed by the J-gov in vague Engrish 「マイナンバー」is really beyond me. My number? 080-XXXX-XXXX...

Yeah, it's all cute enough but government agencies should be using real Japanese. Hello Work and My Number.

ハローワーク is Hello work? I always assumed it was some non-English borrowed word.....WTF?

Language, like physics, works different in Japan....

https://www.hellowork.go.jp/

[matsuki]

Is that some sort of "Well 紹介 is sorta like saying hello...so introducing you to a new job is hello, work?"

[wagyl]

As you can see down the bottom of their webpage, Hello Work call themselves Employment Security Bureau in English, a leftover from their proper name (Hello Work is a branding) 公共職業安定所 Public Employment Security Bureau. It never was a very welcoming name, and smells slightly Orwellian. (Stability is a slightly better word for the Japanese than Security)

マイナンバー is another one to sound all cute and cuddly and friendly and non-threatening. And kind of cool -- why else say マイカー when 車 will do perfectly. It is also a branding. The official name is 個人番号 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%80%8B ... D.E7.A7.B0 That Wikipedia article raises an issue: I wonder how much the Government paid to NTT Hikari for their trademark on マイナンバー, unless they had a narrow product description in their registration.
Enough to pay Ichiro's fee? (Redirecting requests for NTT マイナンバー to some quasi-PR suggesting NTT can help support you in the implementation of ID number マイナンバー)
Meanwhile, this page still exists https://flets.com/hikaridenwa/service/mynumber.html
All of which makes the instructions in their pamphlet to "just do an internet search for マイナンバー" even more baffling.

[matsuki]

As you can see down the bottom of their webpage, Hello Work call themselves Employment Security Bureau in English, a leftover from their proper name (Hello Work is a branding) 公共職業安定所 Public Employment Security Bureau. It never was a very welcoming name, and smells slightly Orwellian. (Stability is a slightly better word for the Japanese than Security)

マイナンバー is another one to sound all cute and cuddly and friendly and non-threatening. And kind of cool -- why else say マイカー when 車 will do perfectly. It is also a branding. The official name is 個人番号 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%80%8B ... D.E7.A7.B0 That Wikipedia raises an issue: I wonder how much the Government paid to NTT Hikari for their trademark on マイナンバー, unless they had a narrow product description in their registration.
Enough to pay Ichiro's fee?
All of which makes the instructions in their pamphlet to "just do an internet search for マイナンバー" even more baffling.

Gov. program branding...I guess it's not branding here without official fucked Engrish? But TIJ, where are mascots?? Haroo-kun and Nambaa-chan?

LOL＠ Docomo マイナンバー, I wonder if they will sue?

[wagyl]

PR failure: Matsuki is more on top of pop culture than I am, but doesn't know about マイナちゃん

Hello Work seem to have left it to individual offices to create their own mascots (Most searches for "mascot Hello Work" link to situations vacant for work inside a giant stuffed toy).

[matsuki]

PR failure: Matsuki is more on top of pop culture than I am, but doesn't know about マイナちゃん

Docomo totally need to sue that bitch!

[wagyl]

You of all people should know that there are many members of the NTT family, and the mobile network operator is not the one providing NTT Hikari (even though they do do a tie up).

I am pretty sure that our taxes went to pay for using Ichiro on that strange NTT page https://flets.com/mynumber/ There is no other reason that NTT would spruik the ID number system.

[matsuki]

Sorry, brain is on docomo today....my smart phone is not so smart anymore, replacement goes on sale tomorrow.

[inflames]

PR failure: Matsuki is more on top of pop culture than I am, but doesn't know about マイナちゃん

Just the name for that makes me think it would be a jailbaitish mascot, which knowing Japan means it's either an 8 year old girl prancing around in bikini/underwear or a 115kg transvestite.