12 dead in Paris shooting

[Wage Slave]

Because a large part of Daesh consisted of those 400,000 Sunni militaries that were put out of a job by Bremer et al.

So, there you have it, they are hardened fighters, with lots of military knowledge and experience. No wonder that Shia army didn't have a chance.

Now, what are we gonna do? Kill them all? Wouldn't it be easier to nuke the whole place?

Well, the coalition's forces in Iraq didn't have too many problems rolling them up so I find it hard to believe that they have suddenly become a professional and well disciplined army now. But yeah, you're right - why was so much given to the Shia? It's almost as though someone didn't really want Iraq to be successful. Far better for the security of the region if it stays weak, divided and poor - except for the few trusted puppets and their gangs of course.

We could nuke the whole place of course but moral questions aside, what a waste.

I made the nuke comment with some irony intended.

But what I really want to emphasize is that it is better to think through what the end result should be.

Just bombing the fuck out of them will be unlikely to result in a better situation if a political solution for Iraq and Syria remains unclear.

Personally, I think it is time to divide Iraq into separate states according to ethnic-religious lines, and give every group the responsibility to defends its own land even if it means they call in forces from other nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Pretty much hands-off for the West, but imagine that, recruiting nations in the region to do the fighting.

Oh, BTW, that is what Bernie Sanders is actually proposing...

Hmmmm. We have a precedent in India, West Pakistan and East Pakistan as was. An unalloyed success it certainly wasn't. Vast numbers of people were caught on the wrong side of borders and got slaughtered trying to flee. There have been, what 3 wars between India and Pakistan with ongoing conflict in Kashmir. East Pakistan became Bangladesh in a civil war that India interfered in. It's been fairly quiet for a long time but could flare up again - simmering away really rather than quiet.

But yeah, not the craziest idea I've heard.

And yes, it's time the likes of Saudi, The UAE, Oman, Bahrain stepped up to the mark and contributed properly. But that would mean a major change in The Deal. I'd be in favour of that too but I'm not holding my breath.

[kagemusha]

The resources exist many times over to roll up Daesh in a matter of a few weeks. And the resources exist many times over to hold the place down. What is in far shorter supply is the will to do it just because it's the right thing to do.

If, and the way things are going, when, it happens at least this time (assuming Trump doesn't have a say) the restructuring will not be predicated on the ideology that all government is bad for everyone, and corrupt businessmen gangster types are good for everyone as was the case in Iraq. L Paul Bremer III and his mentor Kissinger, have a lot to answer for. Dismantling the Iraqi state on idealogical/strategic grounds and handing power to a clutch of totally corrupt, self serving gangsters and their gangs was what really did it for Iraq. Their gangs, like most mercenaries turned out to be hopeless fighters when it mattered and hence Daesh were able to seize a great chunk of the country.

Hey, how is your glorious bombing campaign going? How much sand and civilians have you killed this week? (I know, no one gives a damn)
But we're not worried, soon you'll have boots on the ground, it will show them we're talking business here. RF against guerrilla - works like magic every time, worked in Algeria, worked in Vietnam, worked in Afghanistan, worked in Iraq, worked again in Afghanistan, worked in Nepal, Worked in Eastern Turkey, worked in Gaza. Somewhere a Taliban is laughing his beard off.

[Coligny]

That's one hell of a mismatched soup you are selling here...

[Coligny]

Because a large part of Daesh consisted of those 400,000 Sunni militaries that were put out of a job by Bremer et al.

So, there you have it, they are hardened fighters, with lots of military knowledge and experience. No wonder that Shia army didn't have a chance.

Now, what are we gonna do? Kill them all? Wouldn't it be easier to nuke the whole place?

Well, the coalition's forces in Iraq didn't have too many problems rolling them up so I find it hard to believe that they have suddenly become a professional and well disciplined army now. But yeah, you're right - why was so much given to the Shia? It's almost as though someone didn't really want Iraq to be successful. Far better for the security of the region if it stays weak, divided and poor - except for the few trusted puppets and their gangs of course.

We could nuke the whole place of course but moral questions aside, what a waste.

I made the nuke comment with some irony intended.

But what I really want to emphasize is that it is better to think through what the end result should be.

Just bombing the fuck out of them will be unlikely to result in a better situation if a political solution for Iraq and Syria remains unclear.

Personally, I think it is time to divide Iraq into separate states according to ethnic-religious lines, and give every group the responsibility to defends its own land even if it means they call in forces from other nations, such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc. Pretty much hands-off for the West, but imagine that, recruiting nations in the region to do the fighting.

Oh, BTW, that is what Bernie Sanders is actually proposing...

Hmmmm. We have a precedent in India, West Pakistan and East Pakistan as was. An unalloyed success it certainly wasn't. Vast numbers of people were caught on the wrong side of borders and got slaughtered trying to flee. There have been, what 3 wars between India and Pakistan with ongoing conflict in Kashmir. East Pakistan became Bangladesh in a civil war that India interfered in. It's been fairly quiet for a long time but could flare up again - simmering away really rather than quiet.

But yeah, not the craziest idea I've heard.

And yes, it's time the likes of Saudi, The UAE, Oman, Bahrain stepped up to the mark and contributed properly. But that would mean a major change in The Deal. I'd be in favour of that too but I'm not holding my breath.

And don't forget Yugoslavia...

[Wage Slave]

The topic of who is buying Daesh produced oil came up on "Wake up to Money" today. According to someone at an oil consultancy company it is mostly being bought at the wellhead by independent truckers and moved across whatever border is easiest. Some goes to Turkey, some to Jordan, some to Iraq, some on to Iran and some even goes to Israel. All these borders are relatively porous in the sense that local officials can be paid to allow transit. Not a terribly surprising situation really.

Once the oil is over a border it gets mixed up with all the other oil on the market and so could end up being bought by anyone in that country or anywhere in the world. Again not at all surprising for a pretty much fungible commodity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06qhf4n

[Samurai_Jerk]

'Radicalized' California shooter had terror ties

San Bernardino (United States) (AFP) - A US-born Muslim who along with his wife gunned down 14 people in California may have been radicalized and had been in contact with known terrorism suspects, reports said.

The FBI, which has cautioned it was too early to link the attack to terrorism, has taken charge of the investigation into Wednesday's mass shooting in San Bernardino.

Agents were combing through evidence to determine what prompted Syed Farook, 28, and his 27-year-old Pakistani wife Tashfeen Malik to carry out the rampage that also left 21 people wounded.

Law enforcement officials quoted by The New York Times said the FBI was treating the shooting as a potential terrorist act, but the agency was far from concluding it was and the motive remains unclear.

CNN, quoting officials, said Farook had been in contact with known terror suspects overseas and had become radicalized after marrying Malik in Saudi Arabia last year, although an imam at a local mosque he attended said Farook showed no signs of that.

[...]

Some of the reasons pushing authorities to believe Wednesday's shooting may be terror-related included the astonishing arsenal the couple had amassed, their foreign travels, and the fact that they appeared to have meticulously planned the attack.

"There was obviously a mission here," David Bowdich, the assistant FBI director in charge of the Los Angeles office said, in the wake of the killings at a holiday party for county employees at a social services center.

"We don't know if this was the intended target or if there was something that triggered him to do this immediately."

San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan said Farook and his wife -- who dropped off their six-month-old daughter with Farook's mother shortly beforehand -- fired about 150 bullets inside the Inland Regional Center and during a subsequent shootout with police that left both dead, after a huge manhunt.

He said investigators had found an additional 5,000 rounds of ammunition at the couple's home along with 12 pipe bombs and bomb-making material.

"Nobody just gets upset at a party, goes home and puts together that kind of elaborate scheme," Burguan said, referring to indications that Farook had attended the party and left following a dispute, only to return a short time later with Malik.

[Wage Slave]

This was the 356th mass shooting in the US so far this year. What's a terrorist got to do to make an impact? It's really noticeable how calm Americans are over this, compared to say, the Boston bombing.

[kurogane]

This was the 356th mass shooting in the US so far this year. What's a terrorist got to do to make an impact? It's really noticeable how calm Americans are over this, compared to say, the Boston bombing.

Yeah, it's been a quiet year. That's not even one a day. You know things are tough when even a terrorist named Farook can't catch a break. You would think he could have got lucky and got a meme out of it:

What the Farook was he thinking?
That is some Farooked up shiite.
Farook Me? No, Ehab, Farook you!
nado nado

How would this not qualify as terrorism, btw? The bombs left to make responders go Boom would qualify it surely?

[kurogane]

　　
So why the love affair with a fascist from people on the left? I get why some Neocons have a hard-on for him but not the far left.

I must have pulled a Rip Van Winkle or something, but people other than Stephen Seagal like Putin? That's seriously Farooked. That man is as dangerous as Hitler, just not as talented.

Godwin's Law Dibs!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wagyl]

How would this not qualify as terrorism, btw? The bombs left to make responders go Boom would qualify it surely?

Are you really that naive? The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is, umm, errr, the year? Or who their enemies are? Or something like that. Both sides can have bombs.

If you can last through the entire 3 hours 28 minutes, it can be fun to play "freedom fighter or terrorist?" while watching Exodus. The 1960 Otto Preminger movie, not the similarly everlasting Ridley Scott movie.

[Samurai_Jerk]

How would this not qualify as terrorism, btw? The bombs left to make responders go Boom would qualify it surely?

I think the question was whether this was a workplace dispute or terrorism since an argument seems to have set this guy off. Even if the tactics are the same I wouldn't call a guy going postal terrorism. It might very well be as some seem to be speculating that he and his wife were preparing for a different attack but since he got pissed off with someone at work they changed their plans. An Islamic terrorist goes postal. How uniquely American.

[kurogane]

If you can last through the entire 3 hours 28 minutes, it can be fun to play "freedom fighter or terrorist?" while watching Exodus. The 1960 Otto Preminger movie, not the similarly everlasting Ridley Scott movie.

Now who's being naive? How could the pride of Anglo-Saxon masculinity dressed in Matzah face battling for his chosen people be anything but the former? Great movie, though, might be worth a rewatch. I always found Eva Marie Saint's character really annoying, though. Just too much Innocent American A Broad for that situation. And I usually like her work.

An Islamic terrorist goes postal. How uniquely American.

Aha, and yes, well put. And sad, of course. But at least the guns were legal

[wagyl]

Now who's being naive? How could the pride of Anglo-Saxon masculinity dressed in Matzah face battling for his chosen people be anything but the former?

You are naive.

Newman was born on January 26, 1925 in Shaker Heights, Ohio, an affluent suburb of Cleveland. He was the second son of Theresa (née Fetzer, Fetzko, or Fetsko; Slovak: Terézia Fecková; died 1982) and Arthur Sigmund Newman (1894–1950), who ran a profitable sporting goods store. His father was Jewish (Paul's paternal grandparents, Simon Newman and Hannah Cohn, were immigrants from Hungary and Poland).

His mother, Theresa, whose year of birth remains unclear but appears to have been between 1889 and 1895, a practitioner of Christian Science, was born to a Slovak Roman Catholic family at Homonna, Peticse, Kingdom of Hungary, Austro-Hungarian Empire (now Humenné, Ptičie, Republic of Slovakia). Newman had no religion as an adult, but described himself as a Jew, saying, "it's more of a challenge."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Newman#Early_years

[Samurai_Jerk]

Kuro, Did you really not know a guy named Newman was Jewish?

[kurogane]

Why would I even care? I don't do that sort of crap if I like whomever it is, and usually even if I don't. Hell, I'll talk to an Arab if they seem decent enough. Besides, his mother wasn't Jewish. WHO'S NAIVE NOW, HUH!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????



I do know non-Jewish Newmans though. I suppose they might have just dropped it at some point, but they definitely didn't identify in any way as and always said No when asked. And I grew up in a pretty schplitztastic neighbourhood.

EDIT: according to a quick Google and a look at Stormfront.org, they might have been Germans !!!!!!!!

[Samurai_Jerk]

I knew a non-Jewish Schwartz in high school, in NYC, with a big schnozz. He confused everyone.

[wagyl]

I will admit to doing that research because I though "I bet he is ethnically German, Neumann or something." The result was like a surprise centre in a bonbon.

[kurogane]

Yeah. My last name was considered Jewishish in high school, but I was blonde and blue eyed (and as you would know), just like lots of Ashkenazi Jews, especially Poles. The only people I grew up with that cared about that crap were kids with parents from England. A weird bunch for that Jewish a neighbourhood, and hopefully it was just that they were pretentious La Dee Da shitheads. The parents, not the kids.

Wagyl,

Yeah, it honestly never occurred to me. There's another famous actor that's Jewish that I only found out about 2 years or so ago, but I forget who it was. I knew Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis were, because they have such delicious birth names. And Danny Thomas wasn't Jewish. He was a Maronite.

[Coligny]

Could we keep inconsequent amerkun death or pro zionist talks to the 400 other threads dedicated to their glory ?

Yeah, I know, Heil Israel, sieg heil, sieg heil...

[Russell]

Could we keep inconsequent amerkun death or pro zionist talks to the 400 other threads dedicated to their glory ?

Yeah, I know, Heil Israel, sieg heil, sieg heil...

I tried, I tried...

[legion]

Yeah, it honestly never occurred to me. There's another famous actor that's Jewish that I only found out about 2 years or so ago, but I forget who it was. I knew Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis were, because they have such delicious birth names. And Danny Thomas wasn't Jewish. He was a Maronite.

Freddie Mercury was a Zoroastrian.

[Samurai_Jerk]

F.B.I. Treating San Bernardino Attack as Terrorism Case

On the day she and her husband killed 14 people and wounded 21 others in San Bernardino, Calif., a woman pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook post, officials said Friday, as the F.B.I. announced that it was treating the massacre as an act of terrorism.

“The investigation so far has developed indications of radicalization by the killers, and of potential inspiration by foreign terrorist organizations,” the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said at a news conference here. But he said that investigators had not found evidence that the killers were part of a larger group or terrorist cell. The couple died in a shootout with the police on Wednesday.

“There’s no indication that they are part of a network,” he said.

The woman, Tashfeen Malik, declared allegiance to the Islamic State on Facebook at roughly the time of the shooting on Wednesday, according to a Facebook spokesman. At a news conference in San Bernardino, David Bowdich, the F.B.I. assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles office, said he was aware of the post, which was taken down by Facebook on Wednesday, but he would not elaborate.

[...]

Among the components investigators seized from the couple’s house were items common to the manufacture of pipe bombs but also “miniature Christmas tree lamps.” A recent issue of Inspire, an online magazine published by an arm of Al Qaeda, included an article, “Designing a Timed Hand Grenade,” with step-by-step instructions for making a delayed igniter with a Christmas tree lamp.

Investigators have also found evidence that in their final days, Mr. Farook and Ms. Malik tried to erase their electronic footprints, another sign of premeditation. They destroyed several electronic devices, including two smashed cellphones found in a trash can near their home, and erased emails, officials said.

When they were killed, Ms. Malik had what investigators believe might have been a “burner phone,” meant to be used for a short time and discarded, with no social media apps or other identifying information on it. Despite their efforts, the couple’s computers, phones and other electronics provide the best hope for reconstructing their communications and motives.

[Coligny]

Renault buy the Lotus team, confirm return to F1.

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No longer satisfied with simply providing engines, Renault confirmed that it will return to running its own Formula One team next season. Though the terms of the deal are still being worked out, the French automaker will re-acquire the team currently known as Lotus. Renault previously owned and operated this same operation for nearly 10 years.

Renault first entered the series in 1977. The company shut down the original Équipe Renault Elf in 1985, but continued powering Lotus, Ligier, and Tyrrell for another season. After a three-year break, it returned as an engine supplier with Williams in 1989, winning championship titles with the likes of Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, and Damon Hill behind the wheel.

The 1995 season saw the start of the partnership with the team now in question when Benetton switched over from Ford power. After several years of success and more titles, Renault bought out the team and ran it as its own from 2002 through 2011 – winning two more titles with Fernando Alonso – before selling the operation to Genii Capital, which has run it since under the Lotus name. Even after Lotus switched to Mercedes power, Renault continued supplying other teams with engines, most notably winning back-to-back world titles with Red Bull before the new turbo hybrid engines arrived and Renault's performance dropped off.

Now, in another case of history repeating, Renault is gearing up to bring the team based in Enstone back in-house. The move will likely see the Lotus name disappear again, after it was hotly contested with the Caterham team that ultimately disappeared as well. With it, Renault will return as a full-on works effort with its own engines, just like rivals Ferrari and Mercedes.
Renault Announces Return to Formula 1 in 2016

- Carlos Ghosn announces his decision that Renault will return to Formula 1 with its own team for 2016 season.
- Renault, 12-time Constructors' Champion with nearly 40 years in the sport, is an iconic brand in Formula 1 and intends to play an active role in the sport's development.
- F1 is a technology showcase and accelerates development of Renault's innovation and range of sports cars.

Following the September announcement of the signing of a Letter of Intent with Lotus F1 Team, teams at Renault continued to evaluate the possibility of a return to Formula 1. Particular attention was paid to competing successfully with its own team in a financially sound way starting in 2016.

"Renault had two options: to come back at 100 percent or leave. After a detailed study, I have decided that Renault will be in Formula 1, starting 2016. The final details supplied by F1's main stakeholders gave us the confidence to accept this new challenge. Our ambition is to win--even if it will take some time," said Carlos Ghosn, Chairman and CEO, Renault.

As a full team, Renault will take maximum benefit from its victories. The payback as an engine supplier proved to be limited. The return on the investment necessitated by the new engine regulations and the return in terms of image were low.

Work continues on finalizing the terms of the acquisition of Lotus F1 Team in the shortest timeframe possible. The principal contracts were signed on December 3, 2015.Lotus F1 Team effectively stands out as the best partner. Renault and Lotus F1 Team have known each other for 15 years and were world champions together in 2005 and 2006.

Renault has had uninterrupted involvement in Formula 1 for almost 40 years. In 1977, it revolutionised the championship with the introduction of turbocharging, a technique that soon became the norm in the sport. Renault has since taken part in more than 600 grand prix, claiming 168 race wins, 12 Constructors' titles and 11 Drivers' crowns.

Renault's decision to continue its involvement in Formula 1 is confirmation that it sees motorsport as an essential part of the brand's identity. Formula 1 is the ultimate symbol of the passion for automobiles. Passion defines Renault as expressed by its brand signature, 'Passion for Life'. In addition to attracting many customers, Formula 1 also fuels employee motivation. As the pinnacle of motor sport, Formula 1 demands technological and operational excellence. The championship serves as a showcase for the technological expertise that Renault dials into its products for the benefit of its customers.

Formula 1 is a means for Renault to accelerate development and remain at the forefront of the sport's technological progress. It simultaneously allows Renault to build bridges between the advanced technologies seen in the world championship and its road cars, particularly in the fields of electric and hybrid vehicles.Consistent with its commitment to F1, Renault will develop its R.S. range by stepping up investment in order to be active on every continent and in even more segments with vehicles that meet the needs of their different markets.

Formula 1 serves to promote awareness of the Renault brand and its image in all its markets across the world. Formula 1 is one of the sports that enjoys the most media coverage worldwide thanks to a following on five continents, particularly in emerging markets. It attracts 450 million television viewers annually and its scope for growth is enormous thanks to opportunities founded on new technologies, social networks, video games, etc. that have yet to be fully exploited.

In January, we will provide more detailed information about Renault's F1 programme ahead of the 2016 championship that begins next March.

[Coligny]

Renault and F1 a 30 years affair...

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Recent palmares:

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The Renault Espace F1. A good idea... On paper...

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The Renault Twizzy F1...

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A much less good idea...

[Coligny]

Whut to do in an active shooter situation:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/11/3 ... situation/

Courtesy: the art of manliness.

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[Russell]

F.B.I. Treating San Bernardino Attack as Terrorism Case

So this was the right thread after all.

[Coligny]

F.B.I. Treating San Bernardino Attack as Terrorism Case

So this was the right thread after all.

There is a bit of a difference between searching every possible way to link this shooting to terrorism (a post "yolo ISIS" on facebook being one of them)

And finding real clues that ISIS was behind the shooting. Like being trained in sirya, getting weapon from isis linked network. Basing the preps in kniwn radical muslim community (in belgium).

Two dirkas with american passwords, US weapons, going traditionnally postal at work with just a facebook post to link them... Sure you can shit 50 pages wall of text starting from the statement they are right. But it's a bit weak...

But he said that investigators had not found evidence that the killers were part of a larger group or terrorist cell.

Not linked to France... Not linked to Paris... Barely linked to daesh terrorism... And 355th shooting in the US to date... Not even relevant...

[Russell]

California massacre shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS

[Coligny]

California massacre shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS

Could have pledged allegiance to the flying pasketti monster or slender man all the same...

Russel, if you take a shit on your neighbourg mailboxe and post "i'm wiith Isis"... You're not a terrorist. You are a nutcase. It's the same as if I claim that Yua Aida is my gurlfriend. There's stuff in life that need to work both ways to be true...

[Russell]

California massacre shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS

Could have pledged allegiance to the flying pasketti monster or slender man all the same...

Russel, if you take a shit on your neighbourg mailboxe and post "i'm wiith Isis"... You're not a terrorist. You are a nutcase. It's the same as if I claim that Yua Aida is my gurlfriend. There's stuff in life that need to work both ways to be true...

Hmm...

The female shooter in San Bernardino rampage was a 'modern girl' who began posting extremist messages on Facebook

"She used to talk to somebody in Arabic at night on the Internet. None of our family members in Pakistan know Arabic, so we do not know what she used to discuss," the family member said.