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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Yokohammer » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:27 am

matsuki wrote:Scully looks haggard!

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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Wage Slave » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:53 am

Isn't this charge more to do with procedure? At a certain point, even here, you have to either charge someone or release them. So, in order to keep him in custody they charge him with abandoning a body because they are very sure that charge will hold up in court with the evidence they already have. And it is sufficient to keep him locked away for plenty long enough to complete the investigation. Once they have more details, they can charge him with murder or manslaughter as they see fit. And time is on their side.

The danger with going straight to a murder charge without all their ducks in a row is he might be able to get off on a technicality.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Coligny » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:00 am

matsuki wrote:
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kurogane wrote:To be fair, it is rare I have met much of a man that will date an older woman............ :roll:

Nice sentiment, btw, there Wagyl. I sincerely hope that is what happened. Anyways, a shame, but we all know to keep our traps shut, he probably did too, and surely he could get 7-10 fjust or that?

Plus, we know his name :twisted:


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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:04 am

kurogane wrote:but we all know to keep our traps shut, he probably did too


I wonder if it's harder to break Americans since the right to remain silent is drilled into us from a young age.

and surely he could get 7-10 fjust or that?


Don't be so sure. Remember the case of Hiroshi Nozaki who only got three-and-a-half years for dismembering and abandoning the body of a Filipina only to get out of jail and do it again? Of course this time it's a foreigner dumping a Japanese body.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:07 pm

Wage Slave wrote:Isn't this charge more to do with procedure? At a certain point, even here, you have to either charge someone or release them. So, in order to keep him in custody they charge him with abandoning a body because they are very sure that charge will hold up in court with the evidence they already have. And it is sufficient to keep him locked away for plenty long enough to complete the investigation. Once they have more details, they can charge him with murder or manslaughter as they see fit. And time is on their side.

The danger with going straight to a murder charge without all their ducks in a row is he might be able to get off on a technicality.


That's with arrests....and no, you don't need to charge them or release them. They can keep rearresting the guy for all kinds of shit and hold him indefinitely without charges because "Japan style." (in other words, medeval bullshit) Apparently, a major reason is...if someone is charged and then released or found not guilty, they must be compensated for their incarceration....not so when they're simply being detained while under arrest. (which is why many opt to pay off even false complaints against them...which encourages abuse of complaints....but that's another tangent)

As to the lesser charges, the prosecutors only charge someone with something when they are confident they will get a conviction. If they lose a case, the prosecutor gets a big fat failure on his record and will not advance. (cause that's the goal here, right?) So in this situation, the prosecutor probably feels pressured to charge the guy with something but thinks it's too risky to get him for murder....but thinks they have enough evidence to convict for the logic bending abandonment of a body for dumping her, tied to a concrete block, into the ocean while alive.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:14 pm

Come to think of it how can he be charged with abandoning a corpse if she was alive at the time? Also, if his goal wasn't murder, why did he think she was dead? Is the defense claiming she ODed on her own and he panicked and dumped the body for some reason?
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:17 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Come to think of it how can he be charged with abandoning a corpse if she was alive at the time? Also, if his goal wasn't murder, why did he think she was dead? Is the defense claiming she ODed on her own and he panicked and dumped the body for some reason?


That's why I said "logic bending." It sounds like some sort of negotiated compromise on the charges but when it comes down to it, it doesn't make any sense.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:18 pm

I guess one could argue he intended to abandon a corpse and that's the point not whether or not she was actually dead.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby wagyl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:28 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:I guess one could argue he intended to abandon a corpse and that's the point not whether or not she was actually dead.

That would give rise to issues of criminal impossibility -- it was impossible for him to abandon a corpse because there was no corpse there -- and there is enough margin to argue the legal effect of that either way in Japan. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%8D ... D%E7%8A%AF Greg is in for the long haul through the justice process.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:49 pm

I can't imagine her family is all too happy about this...would love to have been a fly on the wall when the prosecutor explained why her (gasp!) murderer is not going to be charged with murder. I'm sure somewhere in there his gaijiness was brought up in regards to guilt....but without a solid case with no risk, the prosecutors career must come first!
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:49 pm

wagyl wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:I guess one could argue he intended to abandon a corpse and that's the point not whether or not she was actually dead.

That would give rise to issues of criminal impossibility -- it was impossible for him to abandon a corpse because there was no corpse there -- and there is enough margin to argue the legal effect of that either way in Japan. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%8D ... D%E7%8A%AF Greg is in for the long haul through the justice process.


The English version of that led me to this case. :shock:

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Two enlisted military men, Thomas and McClellan, were spending an evening drinking in bars. In one bar McClellan began dancing with a young woman who was drunk and soon collapsed in his arms on the dance floor. The defendants put the woman in McClellan's car, having agreed at the bar to take her home. Once in the car McClellan suggested they use the opportunity to rape her as she was unconscious and would not know the difference. Each defendant then proceeded to have sexual intercourse with the woman. Later, after being unable to find the location of her home, they became concerned about her condition as she had not regained consciousness, so they sought help at a service station. The service station attendant called the police, who determined she was dead. An autopsy conducted later ascertained that she died of a heart condition, "acute interstitial myocarditis". The general undisputed opinion was that her death most likely occurred at the time of her collapse. The two defendants were not aware of her death.[1]

The defendants used the "impossibility" defense, claiming that it was legally impossible to attempt to rape a woman who was dead.[2]

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The United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces held that when a defendant is attempting to commit a criminal act, it is not a defense that facts unknown to the defendant made the actual completion of the crime impossible. The defendants believed that the young woman was alive and had not consented to have sex.[3] Because the men believed they were raping a drunken, unconscious woman, they were guilty of attempted rape even though the woman was actually dead at the time sexual intercourse took place.[2]


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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:57 pm

Corpse rape! Seriously though, they were dumb enough to rape an unconscious girl and either they were dumb enough to spunk inside her or dumb enough to tell the police they just raped a corpse...impossibility defense aside, that level of stupidity needs to be locked up.
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Postby wagyl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:57 pm

Hey that is not so bad. I am sure that the body was still close to lukewarm.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Coligny » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:59 pm

So... Next time claim necrophylia and pretend to freak out when she wakes up...
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:59 pm

wagyl wrote:Hey that is not so bad. I am sure that the body was still close to lukewarm.


If they were lucky, it probably even twitched :twisted:
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:05 pm

Who knew it was illegal to fuck a passed out drunk chick in 1962?
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:09 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:Who knew it was illegal to fuck a passed out drunk chick in 1962?


:keyboardcoffee:

She was practically begging for it! She passed out in my arms!!
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby kurogane » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:35 pm

Wage Slave wrote:Isn't this charge more to do with procedure?


That was my initial assumption. If he won't talk and there is a lack of some specific evidence then they won't proceed without a reasonable certainty of conviction (say... >>95%), but they can keep him on ice with this charge and keep trying for the full meal deal. We hope. It would be ironic if he didn't kill her and really did panic and dump the body, and even funnier if they could prove murder anyways.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby matsuki » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:47 pm

kurogane wrote:It would be ironic if he didn't kill her and really did panic and dump the body, and even funnier if they could prove murder anyways.


You're saying she did something like try to suicide and then he panicked and tried to hide what he thought was her dead body? (wife catching him cheating? blamed for her death?) I suppose it's plausible?

Even if total BS, that's probably his best defense strategy, seeing as how the local PD would be hard pressed to prove it was anything other than what happened. (though didn't he buy all the supplies before she was dead?)
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby kurogane » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:57 pm

Yes, that is what I was saying, but you have Out-Sherlocked me. I had forgotten that he had bought the homemade body bag stuff beforehand. Guilty it is, then. I would laugh even at a wrongful conviction simply for his Nancy Boy response even if he hadn't actually killed her and did just dump the body. Panic and confuusion I get. That level of callous calculation I don't. But the possession of the body wrap pretty much throws the innocence option overboard, doesn't it?
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby legion » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:48 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
kurogane wrote:but we all know to keep our traps shut, he probably did too


I wonder if it's harder to break Americans since the right to remain silent is drilled into us from a young age.

and surely he could get 7-10 fjust or that?


Don't be so sure. Remember the case of Hiroshi Nozaki who only got three-and-a-half years for dismembering and abandoning the body of a Filipina only to get out of jail and do it again? Of course this time it's a foreigner dumping a Japanese body.


Yeah, that case comes to mind.

Also Joji Obara, who initially got away with murdering Carita Ridgway and then went on to murder Lucie Blackman.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby TennoChinko » Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:38 pm

legion wrote:
Yeah, that case comes to mind.

Also Joji Obara, who initially got away with murdering Carita Ridgway and then went on to murder Lucie Blackman.


Technically, Joji Obara was an ethnic Korean...Kim Sung Jong. And, he would have maintained his Japanese identity if TIME magazine (or some other Western publication) hadn't broken the weird politically-correct Japanese rules prohibiting the 'outing' of Koreans, Burakumin and other specially-protected classes.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby kurogane » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:03 pm

You prefer the feudal era Name & Shame, do you? :lol: ;) I have only seen Ted Kaczynski referred to as a German-American murderer once in passing.

Isn't a big difference here the proof that Kuroshi-Gumo bought the gift wrapping gear before the incident? From what I remember of the other cases they were clever enough that there was little good evidence, and that need to ensure conviction charade couldn't have helped.
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Postby matsuki » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:53 pm

kurogane wrote:Yes, that is what I was saying, but you have Out-Sherlocked me. I had forgotten that he had bought the homemade body bag stuff beforehand. Guilty it is, then. I would laugh even at a wrongful conviction simply for his Nancy Boy response even if he hadn't actually killed her and did just dump the body. Panic and confuusion I get. That level of callous calculation I don't. But the possession of the body wrap pretty much throws the innocence option overboard, doesn't it?


Which brings us back to the bending of logic...even if they have only half of what has been suggested as evidence, how could they not feel confident to proceed with a murder trial?

As much of a scummy dude as the guy appears to be, the maneuvering here may suggest the "facts" that were previously released by police aren't so factual after all?

...or even more likely, maybe the police got ahead of themselves with their reports and without a confession or decent police work, have no way of proving their theory as to what happened. I know it's apples and oranges but the limited police procedures I've seen here regarding traffic collisions, the police will watch surveillance footage, possibly snap a still of it being played, maybe a smarter detective may even take video of the playback....but the all the detectives/police I talked to have claimed they prohibited from taking the actual data for whatever reason. When I offered up driving recorder footage of an idiot I watched drive into a construction barrier, they said there was no way to accept the data and could only watch the video if I brought it in on some device that could play it back. (I had just brought in the SD card) So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the cops couldn't handle building a case that holds water without a testimony.
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Coligny » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:57 pm

Coligny wrote:
matsuki wrote:
Coligny wrote:
kurogane wrote:To be fair, it is rare I have met much of a man that will date an older woman............ :roll:

Nice sentiment, btw, there Wagyl. I sincerely hope that is what happened. Anyways, a shame, but we all know to keep our traps shut, he probably did too, and surely he could get 7-10 fjust or that?

Plus, we know his name :twisted:


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I don't see a possible positive outcome to William's backstory...



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Postby Conker » Thu Feb 18, 2016 4:58 pm

“In a misguided belief that Akitaya was dead, Gumo, the defendant, dumped her body in the ocean while she was unconscious,” the side of the prosecution said.


I'm pretty sure there's an unlawful act manslaughter charge lurking in there somewhere. :/
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Re: As if gaijin men didn't have a bad enough reputation...

Postby Coligny » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:08 pm

Coligny wrote:
kurogane wrote:To be fair, it is rare I have met much of a man that will date an older woman............ :roll:

Nice sentiment, btw, there Wagyl. I sincerely hope that is what happened. Anyways, a shame, but we all know to keep our traps shut, he probably did too, and surely he could get 7-10 fjust or that?

Plus, we know his name :twisted:


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Latest development in the Gregory Gumo case

Postby BigInJapan » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:49 pm

Yokohama prosecutors drop murder charge against American man

The Yokohama District Public Prosecutor’s Office has decided not to slap a murder charge on an American man already on trial for abandoning a woman’s body in Kanagawa Prefecture.

Gregory Gumo, 41, allegedly dumped the body of Mariko Akitaya, 42, in Koajiro Bay in Miura, Kanagawa Prefecture, last July. He has been on trial over abandoning her body since October while a murder charge was pending.

The prosecutor’s office has concluded that evidence could not be found to overturn Gumo’s claim that he believed Akitaya was dead prior to dumping her body.

The Kanagawa Prefectural Police arrested Gumo in August on the charge of abandoning Akitaya’s body and served another arrest warrant for alleged murder by drowning.

With the lack of evidence, the prosecutors changed their court strategy during the trial session in February, saying Gumo “abandoned the body after mistakenly believing that the victim was dead.”

According to the revised indictment, Gumo dumped Akitaya’s body into the sea after placing her in a bag with pieces of concrete tied around it, believing that she had already died.
[From the Japan Times]
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Re: Latest development in the Gregory Gumo case

Postby matsuki » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:21 pm

Revised indictment? Not enough evidence....what is the logic in prosecuting him if they don't have enough evidence for what they were indicting him for?
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