Target: silicon, self-adhesive cups, FRONT HOOK

[GomiGirl]

The thing is, women have all the say-so when it comes to whether or not we're getting a shag. (Leaving rapists out of the discussion here, since we're focusing on more standard practices.) Guys can hope, and try to impress, but we have zero say as to whether or not it's going down.

Ah yes but what I am saying is that the guys to have more of a fighting chance are the ones that take care of of their plumage and appearance. Either that or you are just trying to pick up the mind-fuck, game playing, gold-diggers. Can't be on with them - booooorrrring.

Trust me that as a chick, it is without fail only the creeps (ugly, smelly, daggy and the sin of all sins - stupid) that try it on. Perhaps they are working the numbers game to get a shag.

But seriously a guy who is half decent, polite, clean, witty and tries to be a bit fashionable will have much more luck than the leering boozo's who don't even try to read the signs before plunging into the fray.

Most of the lonely guys I know are the ones that are a bit afraid of fashion as they don't want to look "gay". When really it is only other lonely tragic guys who would call them gay. Girls like fashion and respond to guys who take notice of them and for themselves and can spot the difference between a gay male and a straight one who takes care of himself at 50 paces. Are you dressing for other guys, for yourself or to pick up chicks? These are the questions you need to ask yourself.

(It is one of the reasons that girls often like to have gay friends as they understand each other. Just one of the reasons as there are many. BTW I have a heap of gay male friends.)

I'd say that's more true for the bar/club scene. I've found the more interesting people I've ended up with in other places: parks, libraries, bookstores, through friends or through shared interests.

I hear you there Caustic.

[GomiGirl]

The more impressive mane of the male lion and the silver back of the male gorilla?

How about the black back of a female cow?

Employees at the farm had to repeatedly scream at a man to dismount the animal

I guess the above case is just a kind of 'animal attraction' or how some Canadians sometimes enjoy playing 'Mounty'

EEEWWW that is just nasty!!

[Alcazar]

Ah yes but what I am saying is that the guys to have more of a fighting chance are the ones that take care of of their plumage and appearance.

But seriously a guy who is half decent, polite, clean, witty and tries to be a bit fashionable will have much more luck than the leering boozo's who don't even try to read the signs before plunging into the fray.

No kidding. Thinking about these factors today are just par for the course. Of course this takes a bit of thinking before hand and preparation before you go to social occasions, but I think it is worth it because you feel better about yourself when you do. Then you get attention, which makes you feel even better still!

Most of the lonely guys I know are the ones that are a bit afraid of fashion as they don't want to look "gay". When really it is only other lonely tragic guys who would call them gay. Girls like fashion and respond to guys who take notice of them and for themselves and can spot the difference between a gay male and a straight one who takes care of himself at 50 paces. Are you dressing for other guys, for yourself or to pick up chicks? These are the questions you need to ask yourself.

Yeah, that is so true. I think there will also always be large numbers of guys in certain low social classes/circles that would never attempt to pay attention to their appearance (in the positive contemporary sense) because it would violate their group values about masculinity in their violent, dog-eat dog, world. But then again, those guys can still get women, but usually only women of the same social group.

GomiGirl, have you seen the show'Queer Eye For The Straight Guy'?. It's a show where the same team of 5 'elite gay men' coach and reform a straight guy each episode. The straight guy has a goal that he wants them to help him achieve, like say, helping him to prepare for proposing to his girlfriend. So the 'Fab Five' help him by renovating his house/apartment, drastically upgrading his appearance by getting him a whole lot of new clothes, latest haircut, grooming, etc, all within the space of one day. They also give him advice on how to conduct himself. It is really interesting, and also damn funny, as the gay guys camp it up somewhat. It has been one the highest rating shows in the US and Australia this year. You would love it! It's one of my favourite shows, as there is something for everyone to enjoy about it.

[kamome]

GG,

I don't think good personal grooming and fashionability are enough to get a guy in the door with a girl, especially in the West. In Japan, good grooming/fashion definitely go farther. In the States, though, women have so many more "issues" with sex and dating, and dressing up won't necessarily overcome them.

[GomiGirl]

I don't think good personal grooming and fashionability are enough to get a guy in the door with a girl, especially in the West. In Japan, good grooming/fashion definitely go farther. In the States, though, women have so many more "issues" with sex and dating, and dressing up won't necessarily overcome them.

Of course that is not the only thing - I was just trying to make the point (in my own special long-winded style) that I know so many great guys who don't even get half a chance because they don't take a bit of care or responsibility in their appearance. They get overlooked by girls the same way that guys overlook girls who look a certain way.

But then there are the drunken hideous leering psychos that will try to hit on anything that moves. But it is hard to tell the difference on first blush. So a guy needs to set himself apart by taking care of himself.

Of course if you have no brain then you have no hope. Jokes!!

[kamome]

I know so many great guys who don't even get half a chance because they don't take a bit of care or responsibility in their appearance.

You must be referring to at least half of the FG guys in Roppongi.

Ugh, some of them look like they just stepped off the plane from bum-fuck Wisconsin with their fat guts, cheap clothes, and otherwise goofy appearance.

[GargoyleTS]

Awww! Kamome, are you trying to tell me they don't really wear the bowling-style shirts, with Chinese Dragons and Kanji all over them and made out of faux-silk, in Japan?


Dang! Now I gotta get a new wardrobe...

[Watcher]

have you seen the show'Queer Eye For The Straight Guy'?. It's a show where the same team of 5 'elite gay men' coach and reform a straight guy each episode. It has been one the highest rating shows in the US and Australia this year. You would love it! It's one of my favourite shows, as there is something for everyone to enjoy about it.

Please... have you seen the South Park episode parodying it... now that is funny.
Click here to download it (totally fine... Matt Stone and Trey Parker are cool with people watching their stuff and you can get more from http://www.cartmanland.net)

http://virus.chopin.sopot.pl/bard/cartmanland/Episode%20708%20-%20South%20Park%20Is%20Gay.rm

Now after watching this go and ask yourself... Is this what women want?

[Alcazar]

Please... have you seen the South Park episode parodying it... now that is funny.
Click here to download it (totally fine... Matt Stone and Trey Parker are cool with people watching their stuff and you can get more from http://www.cartmanland.net) http://virus.chopin.sopot.pl/bard/cartmanland/Episode%20708%20-%20South%20Park%20Is%20Gay.rm
Now after watching this go and ask yourself... Is this what women want?

I didn't download the whole episode because it was pretty big, but I listened to the audio clips. Of course women don't want their straight guys being 'gay', but that's not what shows like 'QueerEye' are about, it is about helping straight guys clean up their act presentation wise, not being gay! You don't want to look 'gay', but you want to present yourself as being successful and organised in your own life. That you are a motivated man-which women really like.