Death by Immigration

[Greji]

I'm the pulsing cock of the nation. Not gay.

Well, you got the first part right at least...

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Well, you got the first part right at least...

Strictly speaking, he didn't quite do that, either. He should have used an indefinite article instead of the definite and the noun phrase completing the sentence was redundant.

[McTojo]

Strictly speaking, he didn't quite do that, either. He should have used an indefinite article instead of the definite and the noun phrase completing the sentence was redundant.

If I had done that then I would be calling myself a dickhead.

[james]

If I had done that then I would be calling myself a dickhead.

would have at least saved us the trouble of having to do so for you.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

If I had done that then I would be calling myself a dickhead.

Touche! You got me. You're indeed much smarter than I had given you credit for.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Sri Lankan man dies at Japan immigration centre

The body of Nickeles Fernando was found in his cell in Tokyo last month hours after he had complained of chest pains and begged for a doctor to be called, campaigners said.

His death came two days after a government probe into two deaths at another immigration centre found there was inadequate medical care.

A rights group called Provisional Release Association in Japan (PRAJ) said Fernando, 57, was ignored by guards when he asked for medical help.

"He had begun to complain about severe chest pain at about 7am on November 22, but instead of calling a doctor, immigration officials moved him from a shared cell into a single one," PRAJ member Hiromitsu Masuda told AFP.

After checking on Fernando several times during the morning and finding him in the same position, a Sri Lankan translator went into the cell at around 1pm, said fellow PRAJ member Mitsuru Miyasako.

"At that time his body was already cold and had no pulse," he said. "The translator called immigration officials, then for the first time they began to do something."

"If it had been a Japanese person complaining of pain in his chest, this would never have happened."

[...]

Two days before Fernando's death, the justice ministry admitted another immigration centre at Ushiku northeast of Tokyo "did not have enough medical" facilities and failed to provide 24-hour access to in-house doctors.

That came after it investigated the March deaths of an Iranian man in his 30s who choked on food and a Cameroonian man in his 40s who was found unconscious in his cell.

In October last year, a Rohingya asylum-seeker collapsed and died at the Tokyo centre after staff failed to call for a medic, allegedly because the doctor was having lunch.

[matsuki]

Having seen how unprepared they are to handle the elderly in detention (our resident "Yoda" was there for at least 3 weeks before they sent him to the hospital) I don't think it's simply a race thing as much as the usual not prepared for anything out of the ordinary and inability to think on the fly...remember the "out to lunch" and "the ER is closed for the night" excuses seem to be SOP at hospitals here. I guess being a FG holding center, proper medical assistance may be a rung lower off the priority scale than reg. detention..

[Coligny]

wait, you mean death penalty for visa issue is not the de-facto ruling...

[Samurai_Jerk]

In reversal, Tokyo High Court rules government not responsible for Ghanaian deportee’s death

In a reversal, the Tokyo High Court determined Monday that the government was not responsible for the 2010 death of a Ghanaian alledgedly subjected to excessive force by immigration authorities while being deported.

In overturning a lower court’s ruling, presiding Judge Izumi Takizawa said the level of physical force used by officials to restrain Abubakar Awudu Suraj, who was 45 years old at the time of his death, was “not illegal” and even “necessary.”

“Immigration authorities’ effort to subdue him was necessary to ensure his deportation would go smoothly,” Takizawa said.

“They are not culpable” for his death, the judge concluded.

The ruling overturns an order by the Tokyo District Court in March 2014 that the government pay a combined ¥5 million in compensation to his widow, who is a Japanese citizen, and his mother, who lives in Ghana.

[matsuki]

Video of the force available on youtube...yes?

[wagyl]

Video of the force available on youtube...yes?

I'm not sure about that: I didn't bother to look, but then again, neither did you..... but this is a cause célèbre for a certain Canadian Journalist who has written at length about it, if you are interested.



Edited to add: I have found the full Suraj video on youtube.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I don't know the full extent of his visa situation. However, he was married to a Japanese national but managed to overstay his visa. I'm assuming he wasn't on a spouse visa and just forgot to renew so maybe it was a common law marriage or for some reason the the MOJ didn't think he was deserving of a spouse visa and he couldn't get another one. Is it possible they were married after his visa expired?

I've known a few people who unless they were lying to me got legally married in Japan despite not being here legally. I've always wondered how that worked and whether or not that's still possible now that the local and national governments seem to be communicating better.

[wagyl]

I don't know the full extent of his visa situation. However, he was married to a Japanese national but managed to overstay his visa. I'm assuming he wasn't on a spouse visa and just forgot to renew so maybe it was a common law marriage or for some reason the the MOJ didn't think he was deserving of a spouse visa and he couldn't get another one. Is it possible they were married after his visa expired?

I've known a few people who unless they were lying to me got legally married in Japan despite not being here legally. I've always wondered how that worked and whether or not that's still possible now that the local and national governments seem to be communicating better.

If you accept the veracity of the information source alluded to above, he arrived on a tourist visa, he found work, and the two were living in sin for 18 years before they married. The journalism is not 100% clear but maybe the chronology was that the marriage was after Koizumi announced a crackdown on overstayers. The journalist certainly wants to suggest that chronology to us, as well as assert that overstayers pay taxes, an assertion I find hard to support as a 100% certainty. It seems that there was a deportation order but it was rescinded, with the journalistic suggestion being that that was as a result of the marriage. That rescission was then overturned on appeal with the finding that Mrs Suraj didn't need a husband because she was employed and had no children. I haven't seen primary sources so I don't know if that was the reason or just incidental comments in a finding that the marriage was sham/primarily for immigration purposes.

There are also some cool, unrelated photos in the report.

Of course, status as a "better" visa overstayer or as a "worse" visa overstayer should not have an influence on the degree of force employed in your deportation. That should be down to your conduct on the day in question alone, and even then there are of course limits. But in any event, the merits of the visa are immaterial.

[kurogane]

If I remember he had overstayed for so long it was ridiculous, they didn't buy his marriage as legit, which might have been peevish, and he fought the cops as he was being deported, which deserves at least a Yellow Pages session in the Gaijin Gulag. His death was nobody's fault but his, as the court has ruled, but he might have deserved better from the immigration process. The fact that he has become a poster boy for the bitter Japan bashing crowd only shows how much they consider Japan's obligation to accept something they don't accept as punishment for not doing what Whitey expects. He was not a worthy poster boy, but RIP, of course. Nobody should die from overstaying their visa.

[matsuki]

That was kinda my point about the video above...when you aren't very transparent about this shit or use video cameras, all kinds of allegations can be made

[legion]

The UK Home Office excels at being a complete wankstain

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/18/widow-92-return-south-africa-deportation-battle-myrtle-cothill

Widow, 92, must return to South Africa after losing deportation battleWidow, 92, must return to South Africa after losing deportation battle

“We didn’t really get a chance to talk at the last meeting, they [Home Office officials] just went on and on. When we said where would my mother go when she got to Johannesburg, they said she could go to the Red Cross and get help,” she said.

[Russell]

The UK Home Office excels at being a complete wankstain

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/18/widow-92-return-south-africa-deportation-battle-myrtle-cothill

Widow, 92, must return to South Africa after losing deportation battleWidow, 92, must return to South Africa after losing deportation battle

“We didn’t really get a chance to talk at the last meeting, they [Home Office officials] just went on and on. When we said where would my mother go when she got to Johannesburg, they said she could go to the Red Cross and get help,” she said.

The Home Office said in December that Cothill’s application was rejected as her “condition was not deemed to be life-threatening”...

Hmm, the condition of being 92 years of age sounds pretty much like life threatening to me...

[Wage Slave]

People like the Daily Mail should reflect that this is what happens when you connive with racist wankers to stir up a shitstorm that demands rigid, draconian action over immigration. It's blind. It's illogical. It's cruel. It's wasteful. And it inevitably throws up cases like this.

I know someone who is locating to the UK for a major Japanese company that has had a factory there since the 80's. He's going for 3 years and taking his family to replace someone who has been doing the same for 3 years. They'll even be using the same rented house.

And yet, he has to take his entire family to the embassy in Tokyo for an interview before they will grant the visas.

[kurogane]

I don't know how much of it was post-9/11 panic and how much is post Darth Cameron Conservonasty but the UK has become a very unwelcoming place even for loveable colonials like me and that poor lady. When I first arrived in 1995 I was welcomed like a returning son. What a terrible story.

[legion]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/19/deportation-of-92-year-old-widow-postponed-after-public-outcry

She has been given a temporary reprieve. Her daughter was on LBC, very upset obviously but managed to deliver a vary calm update.

It is really pathetic that an elderly person should have to deal with this, after the age of 90 you should get a free pass on just about everything.

[kurogane]

At 92 compassion should overrule the need to punish miscreants and ne'er do wells, even allowing for the obvious benefits of pissing off the outraged SM pity junkies, but it does sound from that court judgement like they might be sketchy West Country folk (gypsies or inbreds, maybe?)

[yanpa]

Not a place I'd willingly immigrate back to. Pay a substantial 4-figure sum to get papers for the family, then still have the threat of deporatation hanging over them if my income drops below an arbitrary level? And let's not even talk about the ridiculous housing costs.

Hmm, guess the policies are working...

On the minus side, convicted kiddy-fiddler being sent back to live with the darkies instead of facing good British mob justice.

[legion]

Not a place I'd willingly immigrate back to. Pay a substantial 4-figure sum to get papers for the family, then still have the threat of deporatation hanging over them if my income drops below an arbitrary level? And let's not even talk about the ridiculous housing costs.

Hmm, guess the policies are working...

On the minus side, convicted kiddy-fiddler being sent back to live with the darkies instead of facing good British mob justice.

Deportation is only for your wife, your kids can stay if they have Britanian Notionality

[yanpa]

Not a place I'd willingly immigrate back to. Pay a substantial 4-figure sum to get papers for the family, then still have the threat of deporatation hanging over them if my income drops below an arbitrary level? And let's not even talk about the ridiculous housing costs.

Hmm, guess the policies are working...

On the minus side, convicted kiddy-fiddler being sent back to live with the darkies instead of facing good British mob justice.

Deportation is only for your wife, your kids can stay if they have Britanian Notionality

Now that's what I call a plan

[wagyl]

Now that's what I call a plan

You plan to be a single papa?

[yanpa]

Now that's what I call a plan

You plan to be a single papa?

My "confuse Wagyl with British humour" strategy is working

[inflames]

British people I know really seem to hate the immigration policy there - they say it basically makes it nearly impossible to get visas unless you're rich as the requirements are ridiculous because they can't stop immigrants from the EU.

Compared to the US, UK and Australia getting a Japanese visa is incredibly easy - I just hope the the government here doesn't discover they can charge a 100,000 yen application fee.

[legion]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/21/families-challenge-minimum-income-visa-rules-supreme-court-non-eu-partner

Financial threshold requirement is denying the right to family life for British citizens and their non-EU partners, justices to hear

British citizens must earn more than £18,600 to bring over a non-EU spouse, rising to £22,400 if they have a child who does not have British citizenship, and an additional £2,400 for each subsequent child.

Critics argue that the law, introduced in July 2012, penalises 43% of the UK population and means British citizens in full-time employment on the minimum wage cannot enjoy the right to live with their families in the UK.

Timely from the Grauniad. The comments are wonderful, the amount of petty minded vitriol is heartening. Heartening as in we made the right choice leaving that island.

The intent of the policy is obvious, they way it has played out reminds us what you get when your parliament is mostly made up of the "right sort"

Kind of reminds me of the story that came to light recently that David Attenborough told the Beeb not to employ Wogan in the 60s because Auntie Beeb already had one Irishman.

[Takechanpoo]

meal in j-reception center. its horrible?

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http://www.sankei.com/smp/west/news/160 ... 004-s.html
looks like well-balanced diet for me...they understand their position?

[legion]

Maybe they are complaining that they didn't get any whale.