My Number

[Samurai_Jerk]

Found this on Shinsei's web site... Abe's stasi want to monitor people spending their own cash when on holiday too?

From January 2016, when opening a Powerflex account, customers who wish to use the international cash service (e.g. withdrawals at overseas ATMs) or the overseas remittance service are required to notify their "My Number" in advance.

Thanks for posting that.

I wonder if that affects people who already have accounts. I better confirm. Hate to get stuck in 'Nam with no access to cash.

[Wage Slave]

I think you had better. I seem to remember Shinsei saying that their cashcards would be disabled outside Japan by default at some stage. If you want to use yours outside Japan, you have to ask them to activate it. I never do, or want to, so I never bothered.

[legion]

[yanpa]

I got a request from Shinsei to provide the a My Number due to my receipt of overseas remittances.

Good thing I'm not blind and wants to apply for a My The Number Is Up card with Braille, as it says you can only have up to 11 Braille characters and my name has more than that (which they seem to have mangled in Kana anyway).

[wagyl]

Actually, that is an interesting issue. Each of my bank accounts has managed to have a different kana spelling of my name. I don't have a Shinsei account so I haven't been faced with this problem yet, but I wonder how they will deal with that. I do have a tsushomei registered, so one of the bank accounts will be OK.

[Yokohammer]

I was under the impression that compulsory linkage of banking to My Number had not yet been introduced. 2018, wasn't it? Seems like Shinsei is jumping the gun a bit, and possibly even stretching the law a bit.

Just FTR, I have opened two new bank accounts this year, after the official start of the My Number program (one business and one private) and My Number wasn't even mentioned.

Is this just a Shinsei thing, or are all banks going to do this if overseas money is involved?

[Yokohammer]

Actually, that is an interesting issue. Each of my bank accounts has managed to have a different kana spelling of my name. I don't have a Shinsei account so I haven't been faced with this problem yet, but I wonder how they will deal with that. I do have a tsushomei registered, so one of the bank accounts will be OK.

Ever since the introduction of the Residence Cards the tsushomei has been a problem. You will no doubt have noticed that although your tsushomei was included on your AR card, it is nowhere to be found on your Residence Card.

I have found that if I just use the usual IDs when registering things (like bank accounts), since both my Residence Card and Driver's License only list my romaji name, that's the name I have to register with. To provide an official document that has my tsushomei on it I have to use My Number, Juminhyou, Kokumin Kenko Hokensho, Inkan Shoumei, etc., none of which I habitually carry around with me. That sort of makes a case for getting a photo My Number card made.

Funny how that works out, innit?

[chibaka]

Actually, that is an interesting issue. Each of my bank accounts has managed to have a different kana spelling of my name. I don't have a Shinsei account so I haven't been faced with this problem yet, but I wonder how they will deal with that. I do have a tsushomei registered, so one of the bank accounts will be OK.

Shinsei doesn't use kana for my account, just romaji. This has raised eyebrows a few times when informing people where to transfer money.

I had to google "tsushomei", what is the purpose of this?

[Yokohammer]

I had to google "tsushomei", what is the purpose of this?

For romaji-named gaijin it is often a simplified katakana version of their name.

For example (and I am just making the name up), "David Arthur Smith," which would probably be registered as "Smith David Arthur", could have a a registered katakana alias like "デーブ スミス". That alias can be used for official business.

I have also seen it used with kanji. A Mongolian with a kanji name that includes kanji that aren't used in Japan can have an alias consisting of Japanese kanji that can be easily read by the locals (and stored and printed using local equipment), for example.

[chibaka]

I had to google "tsushomei", what is the purpose of this?

For romaji-named gaijin it is often a simplified katakana version of their name.

For example (and I am just making the name up), "David Arthur Smith," which would probably be registered as "Smith David Arthur", could have a a registered katakana alias like "デーブ スミス". That alias can be used for official business.

I have also seen it used with kanji. A Mongolian with a kanji name that includes kanji that aren't used in Japan can have an alias consisting of Japanese kanji that can be easily read by the locals (and stored and printed using local equipment), for example.

Just a katakana name? Well that appears on city office stuff, not on driving licence or residence card, although it used to in the old system. Interesting point with Shinsei, if someone pays me they need to use my romaji name, when I pay someone it appears as katakana.

Had enough issues with names over the years, try showing someone 2 documents with the same address and date of birth, one says David Smith, the other David Arthur Smith.... much tooth sucking will ensue. Is this the same person?

[Samurai_Jerk]

A Mongolian with a kanji name that includes kanji that aren't used in Japan can have an alias consisting of Japanese kanji that can be easily read by the locals (and stored and printed using local equipment), for example.

I assume you mean an ethnic Mongolian Chinese national.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Here's a link to a PDF on Shinsei's site explaining the My Number rules for GoRemit: http://www.shinseibank.com/goremit/en/i ... erinfo.pdf

If you opened a GoRemit account before December 31st, 2015 you have till January 1st, 2019 to tell them your Numbah.

I'm still not sure about withdrawing money from your Shinsei Bank account while overseas. I guess I may actually have to call them.

[Yokohammer]

A Mongolian with a kanji name that includes kanji that aren't used in Japan can have an alias consisting of Japanese kanji that can be easily read by the locals (and stored and printed using local equipment), for example.

I assume you mean an ethnic Mongolian Chinese national.

You're right.

Crap. And I get paid by the word too.


~ Tapatalking ~

[Samurai_Jerk]

A Mongolian with a kanji name that includes kanji that aren't used in Japan can have an alias consisting of Japanese kanji that can be easily read by the locals (and stored and printed using local equipment), for example.

I assume you mean an ethnic Mongolian Chinese national.

You're right.

Crap. And I get paid by the word too.

I've met a few of them over the years and some of their names end up with a lot of kanji. I guess it's not that easy to write a Mongolian name phonetically in Chinese.

[matsuki]

Actually, that is an interesting issue. Each of my bank accounts has managed to have a different kana spelling of my name. I don't have a Shinsei account so I haven't been faced with this problem yet, but I wonder how they will deal with that. I do have a tsushomei registered, so one of the bank accounts will be OK.

Ever since the introduction of the Residence Cards the tsushomei has been a problem. You will no doubt have noticed that although your tsushomei was included on your AR card, it is nowhere to be found on your Residence Card.

I have found that if I just use the usual IDs when registering things (like bank accounts), since both my Residence Card and Driver's License only list my romaji name, that's the name I have to register with. To provide an official document that has my tsushomei on it I have to use My Number, Juminhyou, Kokumin Kenko Hokensho, Inkan Shoumei, etc., none of which I habitually carry around with me. That sort of makes a case for getting a photo My Number card made.

Funny how that works out, innit?

Yoko - get your tsushomei on you DL, mine is and never had a problem using that for ID

[Yokohammer]

Yoko - get your tsushomei on you DL, mine is and never had a problem using that for ID

I didn't even know you could do that.

Will check. Thanks.


~ Tapatalking ~

[matsuki]

I added it when I renewed...after that, it stayed on with each renewal.

[wagyl]

Yep, I did the tsushomei (in brackets after the latin alphabet name) on the drivers licence too. I was lucky in that my drivers license renewal was around the same time that I had to change to the zairyu card so I still carried a document with my tsushomei on it at the time.

The wholesale linking of My Numbers to bank accounts is not for a few years yet, but certain transactions, including to and from foreign countries, require it now. For example http://www.jp-bank.japanpost.jp/informa ... umber.html

[Samurai_Jerk]

I added it when I renewed...after that, it stayed on with each renewal.

My first license had it but they forgot to add it when I renewed so I meant to ask at my last renewal but forgot.

[chibaka]

Yep, I did the tsushomei (in brackets after the latin alphabet name) on the drivers licence too. I was lucky in that my drivers license renewal was around the same time that I had to change to the zairyu card so I still carried a document with my tsushomei on it at the time.

There is not enough room on the licence that I can see, especially if you have 3 names. Just found a licence from 2001, no katakana on that.
The face on that one doesn't look the same either

[wagyl]

Yep, I did the tsushomei (in brackets after the latin alphabet name) on the drivers licence too. I was lucky in that my drivers license renewal was around the same time that I had to change to the zairyu card so I still carried a document with my tsushomei on it at the time.

There is not enough room on the licence that I can see, especially if you have 3 names. Just found a licence from 2001, no katakana on that.
The face on that one doesn't look the same either

My name runs on to one of the lines on the back, to fit it all in. In fact, even though I am neither Spanish nor Portuguese, my name in Latin alphabet almost doesn't fit (outing myself as Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch here).

You have to ask for the katakana, they never give it automatically.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Yep, I did the tsushomei (in brackets after the latin alphabet name) on the drivers licence too. I was lucky in that my drivers license renewal was around the same time that I had to change to the zairyu card so I still carried a document with my tsushomei on it at the time.

There is not enough room on the licence that I can see, especially if you have 3 names. Just found a licence from 2001, no katakana on that.
The face on that one doesn't look the same either

My name runs on to one of the lines on the back, to fit it all in. In fact, even though I am neither Spanish nor Portuguese, my name in Latin alphabet almost doesn't fit (outing myself as Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch here).

You have to ask for the katakana, they never give it automatically.

I think they just put my whole name on the back.

[Coligny]

Sir Cumference The Flatulent ?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Gaspard II de Coligny

[matsuki]

Yep, I did the tsushomei (in brackets after the latin alphabet name) on the drivers licence too. I was lucky in that my drivers license renewal was around the same time that I had to change to the zairyu card so I still carried a document with my tsushomei on it at the time.

There is not enough room on the licence that I can see, especially if you have 3 names. Just found a licence from 2001, no katakana on that.
The face on that one doesn't look the same either

My name runs on to one of the lines on the back, to fit it all in. In fact, even though I am neither Spanish nor Portuguese, my name in Latin alphabet almost doesn't fit (outing myself as Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch here).

You have to ask for the katakana, they never give it automatically.

This, I have 4 names...it just goes on the back.

[Coligny]

Little spastic narwal... Just 3 i think...

[Grumpy Gramps]

Here too, buried somewhere deep in my passport is something like a secondary/auxilliary/spare/wtf first name or some such that no-one including me ever used for anything all my life. I don't even know, what it's for. Until I came to Japan that is and the Japanese bureaucrazy had to dig it up and put it prominently on all my documents and, therefore, even Paypal now wants it like that and it's too long. And I can't sue my parents for committing a name-crime, as they're long dead. Aborted me, they should have instead

[legion]

There appears to be a little power grab going on.

Our HR department have sent us an email saying we have to access some URL and input our MyNumbers and those of our dependents, and photograph and upload a photo ID, drivers license, gaijin card whatever.

I've been too busy to do this yet, prompting a helpful mail from the nice lady in HR. I'm trying to decide if I should blur my photo or just composite in a different face. Maybe I will become Lemmy.

[yanpa]

Here too, buried somewhere deep in my passport is something like a secondary/auxilliary/spare/wtf first name or some such that no-one including me ever used for anything all my life. I don't even know, what it's for. Until I came to Japan that is and the Japanese bureaucrazy had to dig it up and put it prominently on all my documents and, therefore, even Paypal now wants it like that and it's too long. And I can't sue my parents for committing a name-crime, as they're long dead. Aborted me, they should have instead

My full legal names are such a WTF of unusual buggery-fuckeduppedness they cause problems in all the countries I've lived in, and my attempts to mangle them into something sane generally confuse things even further.

[FG Lurker]

I have three middle names in my legal name in Canada. Thank FSM the Canadian gov't doesn't require that I include them on my passport so I have just one on that, and therefore only one here in Japan. If I'd known how much trouble middle names caused here before I came I would've gotten a passport with no middle name at all.