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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Russell » Mon May 16, 2016 11:14 pm

In general I have a good impression about medical care in Japan. Just my 1 Yen's worth of opinion...
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Ol Dirty Gaijin » Mon May 16, 2016 11:24 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:
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why the fuck on earth are there such different reputations about j-medical care between gaijins living in japan and ones abroad?

Take a close look at the image for hints. Big rusty door, building is probably a piece of shit.
Why is he using a big clunky looking laptop? Infrastructure is that bad? Data confidentiality?
Rather old guy looking guy squinting at the screen, 3 assistants?
Not uncommon.

There are some good practices/doctors here but it takes a long time and a bit of luck to find to them. But some of them are really bad.
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 9:07 am

I agree with ODG there, but Take's question raises an important point:
I have Japanese friends that have lived in the English speaking part of Canada for 25 years now and speak lovely English (often Cdn English), but OTOH I have Japanese friends that have lived in Kyoto all their lives and don't speak a lick of English. I also have friends in the ski town where I lived for 30 years that are excellent skiers, and friends in Vancouver who came from the Prairies that can't ski at all. I find this juxtaposition astounding. Not as astounding as the sun coming up every single morning, day after day without fail, but still pretty remarkable. I have never bothered, but I wonder if there are any scentists that have tried to explain that iron regularity of celestial movement. I find it inexplicable, much as Take finds the knowledge and impressions gap about Japanese medicine between people that actually live in Japan and people that don't. The difference is I seek the truth. I wonder if it's because unlike others, and esp. walking vegetables like Takechan, I see patterns..........even when they're not there.

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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Wage Slave » Tue May 17, 2016 9:52 am

kurogane wrote:I agree with ODG there, but Take's question raises an important point:


Indeed. He is actually suggesting that people with information about and experience of something have a different view of it than people with very little of the former and none of the latter. The thing is Tacky, I think you may well be on to something far more profound than you realise! It may not only be non Japanese who display this behaviour but you may have stumbled upon a universal truth! As evidence for this I offer the observation that Japanese people living in London have a completely different (and often more critical) view of the city than Japanese people who have never even visited it. Amazing eh?
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 10:09 am

Wage Slave wrote:
kurogane wrote:I agree with ODG there, but Take's question raises an important point:

Indeed. ...........He is actually suggesting that people with information about and experience of something have a different view of it than people with very little of the former and none of the latter. .................................... As evidence for this I offer the observation that Japanese people living in London have a completely different (and often more critical) view of the city than Japanese people who have never even visited it. Amazing eh?


YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was hoping you would get the profundity of this matter. At the risk of overreach, I might suggest that the same would hold true for say, Paris, or even Rome, and if we might groove with the new vibe even places like Tottori or Shimane, where few Japanese live and even fewer have visited. Radical stuff, man. Epistemological freakiness! If this trend continues we might hope against hope that this will provide us with a bulwark against the recent trend towards self-satisifed solipsism. Well, maybe not amongst the JETi, but with people that matter we might still hold back the deluge. :biggrin2:
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Coligny » Tue May 17, 2016 10:15 am

The photo is about financial management while the chimp comment is about reputation... maybe if you dig 30 pages into his link you'll find more relevant stock photos... but to go back on the fact spewed.

quote me the exact law stating this... (you'll be certainly able to find one anyway) and explain me the number of mercobenz in the employee parking of private clinic.

Pretty sure the even for the municipal hospital the concept of non profit have quite a fluid definition...

(now for the clunky laptop most IT system deployed still run XP. with the speed at which microsoft is dropping new os turds it near impossible to recertify the software and deploy it before a new os again is released... even gamers are tired of this shit... and it dept are just reaching the "can't keep up anymore level..."

the whole schtick smells the misguided "our healthcare system sux because of capitalism" without trying to look into other factors....

And the concept of profit/non profit for a public hospital is a bit weird. More a make believe concept than a reality.

Also:

A Frenchman, according to SDH and most locals...

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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Yokohammer » Tue May 17, 2016 10:19 am

Coligny wrote:A Frenchman, according to SDH and most locals...

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That photo is ridiculous. Totally wrong.

When I met you the baguettes were under the other arm, and there were five, not three.
I think the beret might have been black, too.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 10:28 am

Coligny wrote: A Frenchman, according to SDH and most locals...

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Which does raise another question: how do Frenchmen raise their hands in surrender when they're full with baguettes, stinky cheese and wine?
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Takechanpoo » Tue May 17, 2016 10:42 am

Indeed. He is actually suggesting that people with information about and experience of something have a different view of it than people with very little of the former and none of the latter. The thing is Tacky, I think you may well be on to something far more profound than you realise! It may not only be non Japanese who display this behaviour but you may have stumbled upon a universal truth! As evidence for this I offer the observation that Japanese people living in London have a completely different (and often more critical) view of the city than Japanese people who have never even visited it. Amazing eh?

this square brain dude doesnt know how to read between the lines. :keyboardcoffee:
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 10:46 am

But Take, he is Foreign Man. When see Japan can only think Strange Japan. Everyday is like tourist but no rail pass because to live is to pay.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 11:04 am

But Take, he is Foreign Man. When see Japan can only think Strange Japan. Everyday is like tourist but no rail pass because live is to pay for many
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue May 17, 2016 11:11 am

It really depends on what your problems are. If you have stomach cancer Japan is probably a good place to be because the high rates here mean doctors have a lot of experience dealing with it. If you're suffering from a gunshot wound, you'd be much better off in the trauma center of a major urban area in the US. If you're pasty white and have skin cancer, I hear Australia is the place to be. Of course if you weren't in those places in the first place, you might not have those particular issues to deal with. Chicken and egg, man. Chicken and egg.

One area where the US is light years ahead of Japan based on my experience, is sports medicine. The rehab for injuries in America is fucking amazing. Japanese orthopedist still tend to just give you medicine and tell you to take it easy. In the US, they're aggressive about getting you moving ASAP.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Coligny » Tue May 17, 2016 11:55 am

Samurai_Jerk wrote:It really depends on what your problems are. If you have stomach cancer Japan is probably a good place to be because the high rates here mean doctors have a lot of experience dealing with it. If you're suffering from a gunshot wound, you'd be much better off in the trauma center of a major urban area in the US. If you're pasty white and have skin cancer, I hear Australia is the place to be. Of course if you weren't in those places in the first place, you might not have those particular issues to deal with. Chicken and egg, man. Chicken and egg.

One area where the US is light years ahead of Japan based on my experience, is sports medicine. The rehab for injuries in America is fucking amazing. Japanese orthopedist still tend to just give you medicine and tell you to take it easy. In the US, they're aggressive about getting you moving ASAP.


That's a bit of a medieval vision...
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 12:26 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
One area where the US is light years ahead of Japan based on my experience, is sports medicine. The rehab for injuries in America is fucking amazing. Japanese orthopedist still tend to just give you medicine and tell you to take it easy. In the US, they're aggressive about getting you moving ASAP.


In my experience this is due to the moral dissolution of American society (and Cdn too, FTM). When I have had serious sports injuries any Cdn MD has always done his or her level best to provide relief and a rememdy without regard to the type of injury it is or how it came about. When my thumb went Flintsone on me and had to be reconstructed (bone graft surgery) the first thing both the Jpn GP and specialist wanted to know was how I did it. When I told them it was a sports injury they quickly realised that the best course was for me to suffer with it as it was, having done it myself while doing something an adult my age had no business doing. There was an option for the same reconstructive surgery as was available in Canada, but very little access to post-operative rehabilitation and physiotherapy, which would have helped to reinforce the moral reproach for which I was liable, having already graduated from high school and still participating in a team sport as I was, depsite my age and education/occupation. Being a moral dissolute I opted for surgery in Canada, where I also had ready access to post-op physio that had my thumb back up and flexing in a few months, and in better shape than it had been for years. The real concern is that I might not have paid sufficeintly for my sins, and my lack of voluntary abnegation was a cause of serious criticism at the workplace. I think underlying practices and beliefs like this are also why the Japanese medical establishment is so successful at keeping single young women off the birth control pill, and making it so intimidating for them to report suspected STD infections.

OTOH, judging by Take's Dictum, this might only be true in Kyoto, at a specific hospital, and only for me, as I am Canadian not Japanese, not that I am saying Take is Japanese, of course.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue May 17, 2016 12:39 pm

Coligny wrote:That's a bit of a medieval vision...


Which part?
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Tue May 17, 2016 12:41 pm

You forgot to mention how they do it in France.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby BigInJapan » Tue May 17, 2016 3:28 pm

Coligny wrote:Pretty sure the even for the municipal hospital the concept of non profit have quite a fluid definition...

Yep, I have my doubts about "non profit" as a buddy of mine in a Kanto prefecture is pals with the head of a local hospital.
Among his collection of exotic cars, he has multiple GT-Rs, so yeah, might be taking in a bit of profit there somewhere...
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue May 17, 2016 3:38 pm

BigInJapan wrote:
Coligny wrote:Pretty sure the even for the municipal hospital the concept of non profit have quite a fluid definition...

Yep, I have my doubts about "non profit" as a buddy of mine in a Kanto prefecture is pals with the head of a local hospital.
Among his collection of exotic cars, he has multiple GT-Rs, so yeah, might be taking in a bit of profit there somewhere...


Non-profit status has nothing to do with how big the salaries of the employees are.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Wage Slave » Tue May 17, 2016 3:57 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
BigInJapan wrote:
Coligny wrote:Pretty sure the even for the municipal hospital the concept of non profit have quite a fluid definition...

Yep, I have my doubts about "non profit" as a buddy of mine in a Kanto prefecture is pals with the head of a local hospital.
Among his collection of exotic cars, he has multiple GT-Rs, so yeah, might be taking in a bit of profit there somewhere...


Non-profit status has nothing to do with how big the salaries of the employees are.


Not to mention financing costs, bonuses, consultancy fees and a huge range of other expenses. Charities and religions learned a long time ago that non profit status can easily be little more than a great tax dodge. Anyway, who wants pesky shareholders demanding dividends and asking pesky questions?
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby wagyl » Tue May 17, 2016 4:05 pm

I've long wanted to create a Charity for Wagyls, where donations can be made by companies and individuals who benefit from the services provided by wagyls, and the proceeds applied tax free for the shelter, food and education of wagyls. Any excess funds will be applied to the shelter and food of elderly wagyls who can no longer provide services.

Of course, the costs of collecting those donations and managing them are fairly extensive. A well-run charity doesn't happen by chance.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue May 17, 2016 4:46 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
Samurai_Jerk wrote:
BigInJapan wrote:
Coligny wrote:Pretty sure the even for the municipal hospital the concept of non profit have quite a fluid definition...

Yep, I have my doubts about "non profit" as a buddy of mine in a Kanto prefecture is pals with the head of a local hospital.
Among his collection of exotic cars, he has multiple GT-Rs, so yeah, might be taking in a bit of profit there somewhere...


Non-profit status has nothing to do with how big the salaries of the employees are.


Not to mention financing costs, bonuses, consultancy fees and a huge range of other expenses. Charities and religions learned a long time ago that non profit status can easily be little more than a great tax dodge. Anyway, who wants pesky shareholders demanding dividends and asking pesky questions?


In some cases it can also be used to allow discrimination. I know of at least one major Christian relief and development organization in the US that is incorporated as a church though it's clearly not one. This allows them have a religious test for hiring.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Russell » Tue May 17, 2016 6:44 pm

wagyl wrote:I've long wanted to create a Charity for Wagyls, where donations can be made by companies and individuals who benefit from the services provided by wagyls, and the proceeds applied tax free for the shelter, food and education of wagyls. Any excess funds will be applied to the shelter and food of elderly wagyls who can no longer provide services.

Of course, the costs of collecting those donations and managing them are fairly extensive. A well-run charity doesn't happen by chance.

The only problem is whether the tax office agrees with you that supporting the Wagyls is a charitable cause.

But then again, the Clintons managed just this with their Foundation.
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Tue May 17, 2016 8:53 pm

Coligny wrote:A Frenchman, according to SDH and most locals...

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Postby Russell » Tue May 17, 2016 9:04 pm

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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby Coligny » Tue May 17, 2016 9:13 pm

kurogane wrote:You forgot to mention how they do it in France.



Better, of course...

But at least a "non profit" statement have to make sense.
Some French insurance companies are "non profit" they are called 'mutuelle' and by law all the profit (money remaining at the end of the year) is to be redistributed between the participant. A process which make your run of the mill sweatshop capitalist cry in fears stating that they, then can't create a fund if bigger paiements are needed, while in fact drooling at the potential funds they could potentially weasel out.
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Postby Coligny » Tue May 17, 2016 9:22 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote:
BigInJapan wrote:
Coligny wrote:Pretty sure the even for the municipal hospital the concept of non profit have quite a fluid definition...

Yep, I have my doubts about "non profit" as a buddy of mine in a Kanto prefecture is pals with the head of a local hospital.
Among his collection of exotic cars, he has multiple GT-Rs, so yeah, might be taking in a bit of profit there somewhere...


Non-profit status has nothing to do with how big the salaries of the employees are.


Yes, making such statement even more nonsensical...

especially for hospitals where employees are civils servants, more or less paid by the state or region or city and not exactly paid out of the income made by the hospital. This whole non-profit/profit debate is bullshit.

It's like stating the japanese Navy is run as a non profit. There is neither rhyme nor reason in the statement...

but instead of telling the chimp to go fuck his pillow there is debate on the merit of the nonsense. Feels like a french pseudo leftist wankfest evening where there is more desire for debate than there is topic to debate aboot.
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Postby Coligny » Tue May 17, 2016 9:33 pm

kurogane wrote: the first thing both the Jpn GP and specialist wanted to know was how I did it. When I told them it was a sports injury they quickly realised that the best course was for me to suffer with it as it was, having done it myself while doing something an adult my age had no business doing.



The standard god complex, tied to the fact that they don't take the hippocratic oath. Or just your standard "maggots have some power, therefore must abuse it"
You remembers those stories of WWI where field hospitals were treating wounded of both armies the same way... Don't count on that with Japan...

Understand why I prefer vets now ?
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Postby Screwed-down Hairdo » Wed May 18, 2016 8:04 pm

Coligny wrote:
kurogane wrote:You remembers those stories of WWI where field hospitals were treating wounded of both armies the same way...


Common practice in cuntries that fight for both sides, isn't it?
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Re: Japanese Hospitals

Postby kurogane » Wed May 18, 2016 8:26 pm

Oooh. Edit function trick, or did you mine that?

At any rate, seconded........... :clap:
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Postby Coligny » Thu May 19, 2016 12:07 am

you should share a room at the sanitarium and take turnz biting them pillows...

take picshures and make a wabsite... would make monies with rule 34's help...

http://www.interacialhornyseniles.mil... good domain name, not registered yet...
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