Makeinu Women

[kurohinge1]

'Tail between legs' position has
spinsters hissing By Marvin Feltcher, January 5, 2004

An up-and-coming Japanese writer has sparked a bitter spat with her claims that childless, unmarried women in their 30s are like beaten dogs that scamper off with their tales between their legs, according to Shukan Bunshun (12/25).

My favourite bit:

She says that many women don't notice that the number of eligible bachelors disappears every year they get older and soon the only choices they're left with are whackos, toy boys, the married or foreigners.

In order of preference?

[ramchop]

:P
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5574

[kurohinge1]

Sorry Ramchop

I did a quick search using Makeinu and Sakai but these didn't catch your thread.

Great minds think alike, eh!

I guess a married whacko toy-boy foreigner must be the absolute bottom of the barrel acording to Junko Sakai. Lucky I'm not a toy boy !

[ramchop]

Lucky I'm not a toy boy !

That'll all change once one of those rich beaten dogs gets you in her clutches.

[Neo-Rio]

The REAL problem here is the same everywhere else (but especially here)... Women feel pressured by society to be seen with the men who are rich, powerful, have good jobs, etc. You see it everywhere if you are a guy...

Unfortunately, there's not enough of these "rich men" to go around.
But Japanese society relentlessly badgers women here into avoiding all other men because they could be "stalkers" or "murderers" or "foreigners" with no job or worse.
And even *if* she scores publically acceptable Dr. Taro.... there's always *some* beyatch that has to say certain things about her being a slut behind her back.... so that doesn't even help her.

Somehow, a young Japanese women has to get herself off.... WITHOUT Japan Inc. or anyone noticing.

So she goes to meet the studs of Guam or Hawaii, or meets a foreign guy in a love hotel for "language exchange"... who won't (can't?!) tell Japanese society, or her parents, about who she's been sleeping with.

Really though, Japanese society just makes it easier for us.... all we have to do is be "Private English teachers" and then Japanese "society" turns the other way for five seconds....

[Alcazar]

On reading the article, I don't think that the article was insinuating that 'foreigners' were necessarily undesirable on the level of 'wackos', but that they were simply one of the categories of remaining single men in Japan, as opposed to normal single J-men of a youngish 'marrying' age.

Speaking of toy-boys, I think the idea of being a foreign 'toy-boy' for some older J-woman (or Western woman) would be the best, but that's just me.

[GomiGirl]

Speaking of toy-boys, I think the idea of being a foreign 'toy-boy' for some older J-woman (or Western woman) would be the best, but that's just me.

Speaking of toy boys and older women.. what are the age cut offs? ie how old does the woman have to be to be called an "older woman" and how old does the guy have to be for him to be considered a "toy boy"?

Just curious as when I am an older woman, I intend to have many, many toy boys.. however, I need to know when I can start to flaunt my status?

[ramchop]

Surely it's all relative. If you were to entertain NeoNecroNomiCron
then he might be young enough to be considered a toy boy.

Similarly if Taro was to be at Yokohama Mary's beck and call then he could proudly proclaim himself to be a toy boy (disturbing picture was to be posted here but the image link from the earlier thread is now deceased)

[Taro Toporific]

Similarly if Taro was to be at Yokohama Mary's beck and call then he could proudly proclaim himself to be a toy boy (disturbing picture was to be posted here but the image link from the earlier thread is now deceased)

Hey, anyone know the whereabouts, or story of Yokohama's own Yokohama Mary? I am surprised that Taro doesn't know. Famous in Kannai and unforgettable, Yokohama Mary scared the shit out of me.

MY TRUE LOVE and SOULMATE!

In 2001-2002 the one-women play "Yokohama Rose" that covered Mary's life was a hit here. I loved sharing some GI Eigo with Mary in early 90s. She was an original. Nobody has seen his/her face without the white paint and she ONLY offered to do oral sex for "some" reason.

"She" was put in a nursing home three or four years ago out do-inaka somewhere according to the playwright of "Yokohama Rose."

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3573&highlight=yokohama+mary

[kami gaijin]

Speaking of toy boys and older women.. what are the age cut offs? ie how old does the woman have to be to be called an "older woman" and how old does the guy have to be for him to be considered a "toy boy"?

Just curious as when I am an older woman, I intend to have many, many toy boys.. however, I need to know when I can start to flaunt my status?

I prefer to think in terms of relative ages rather than hard numbers. An older woman doesn't have to meet a specific age:

In this situation I would define one as a woman who no longer courts for marriage, but concentrates now on toy boys because she knows she can no longer compete with the eligible girls fresh out of high school. (god bless'em, every last one of them! )

And the requirement for being labeled a toy boy is simple:

If you have the extreme youth / miraculous ability to satisfy a lonely woman.

[GomiGirl]

Speaking of toy boys and older women.. what are the age cut offs? ie how old does the woman have to be to be called an "older woman" and how old does the guy have to be for him to be considered a "toy boy"?

Just curious as when I am an older woman, I intend to have many, many toy boys.. however, I need to know when I can start to flaunt my status?

I prefer to think in terms of relative ages rather than hard numbers. An older woman doesn't have to meet a specific age:

In this situation I would define one as a woman who no longer courts for marriage, but concentrates now on toy boys because she knows she can no longer compete with the eligible girls fresh out of high school. (god bless'em, every last one of them! )

And the requirement for being labeled a toy boy is simple:

If you have the extreme youth / miraculous ability to satisfy a lonely woman.

Kami-gaijin, are you really this clueless or are you just trolling?

That is the most inaccurate definitions I have ever heard.

The thing with the older women who have toy boys is that they are not lonely and are just needing the younger guys to satisfy a higher sex drive than male peers but without the hassle of a relationship.

[kami gaijin]

Kami-gaijin, are you really this clueless or are you just trolling?

That is the most inaccurate definitions I have ever heard.

The thing with the older women who have toy boys is that they are not lonely and are just needing the younger guys to satisfy a higher sex drive than male peers but without the hassle of a relationship.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. When I used the word "lonely", I was referring to the increasing sex drive (i.e. increasing pleasure from sex ) of women as they age, not to their relationship status. I guess I should try to pick words a little better.
And the definition does fit for males because their performance decreases with age and therefore to satisfy the named older woman you must be young.
Or a god.
Preferable both.

[GomiGirl]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. When I used the word "lonely", I was referring to the increasing sex drive (i.e. increasing pleasure from sex ) of women as they age, not to their relationship status. I guess I should try to pick words a little better.
And the definition does fit for males because their performance decreases with age and therefore to satisfy the named older woman you must be young.
Or a god.
Preferable both.

Also, have to take issue with the competition with the fresh-out-of-high-school-girls. A non-issue really as most of us work out very quickly that things only get better and don't really want to be back at high school... After the age of 20, I never gave it another thought. Sure, we know that most guys drool over the young babes, but I for one, don't really give a toss.

Everybody has eyes and should use them, the only thing that bothers me is lack of subtlety..

[kami gaijin]

I disagree. It is an issue because you as a woman don't give it a toss, but most guys do. They go after the young ones because it makes them feel young too. And older women are left without satisfactory partners, hench the seeking out of toy boys.

Please remember, I'm just stating my opinions; I'm not trying to say this is how things are because I'm still young too. All I have to go off of is my own personnal experience.

[GomiGirl]

I disagree. It is an issue because you as a woman don't give it a toss, but most guys do. They go after the young ones because it makes them feel young too. And older women are left without satisfactory partners, hench the seeking out of toy boys.

Actually I am not interested in guys who are only interested in teenager girls - mainly because I have nothing in common with these types of guys.

But don't worry, I don't feel left out at all...

I know you are just expressing your opinion and that is just fine.

You say you are young.. just out of curiosity, how young?

[kami gaijin]

I'm 22. I don't care much for the young or the ignorant either, but I'm not one of the norm. I know mature women can be far better company than the inexpirienced youth. As for those guys who chase the young ones, I say let them. Its actually a good match because after sex, are either of them capable of an intelligent conversation? One is too young to know anything, the other never cared to learn.

[Cubed]

Junko Sakai?

Last time I heard about her she was wearing an oversized cardigan and living (single) in a house full of cats.

Why does anyone take anything she says seriously?

Oh. It's the Mainichi Daily News. I see.

[Gestalt]

.... all we have to do is be "Private English teachers" and then Japanese "society" turns the other way for five seconds....

Speak for yourself. Society needs to turn the other way for longer than five seconds when it's me..

[Alcazar]

Speaking of toy boys and older women.. what are the age cut offs? ie how old does the woman have to be to be called an "older woman" and how old does the guy have to be for him to be considered a "toy boy"?

I don't think there are any real hard and fast rules to the definition. Like Ramchop said, I think it is relative.

Surely it's all relative. If you were to entertain NeoNecroNomiCron then he might be young enough to be considered a toy boy. Similarly if Taro was to be at Yokohama Mary's beck and call then he could proudly proclaim himself to be a toy boy.

A woman could consider herself to have a 'toy-boy' when she is maybe only 5 years older than the guy, no matter what the woman's age. It is considered sort of unusual I guess because traditionally women usually like guys at least the same age or older for reasons of the guy's status (in society and money/job etc). And conversely, guys usually like younger women (besides, the women their own age are often with men a few years older, and are un-available).

But for me, I like older women and younger ones, but older women are especially attractive. I can't explain why, but they just are to me. A couple of positives that I could cite is that they are much more interesting to talk to, and also are more confident in themselves. I see so many young women as a body with no mind behind a facade of shallow precociousness.

Just curious as when I am an older woman, I intend to have many, many toy boys.. however, I need to know when I can start to flaunt my status?

But don't you see, no matter what your age, you are already an 'older woman' to some guys?! You can have 'toy-boys' now, and you don't have to do anything except be yourself. You don't have to be 'old' yourself to be 'older' than some people. Besides, the age at which people are considered 'old' is increasing. eg, 50 isn't old today, where it would have been considered so in decades past.

[Taro Toporific]

Junko Sakai?
Last time I heard about her she was wearing an oversized cardigan and living (single) in a house full of cats. .

Junko Sakai
Actually, Junko Sakai is bigtime in Japan and now NEWSWEEK is featuring her in their April 5 edition, page 9.

Letter From Tokyo: Loser Dog Nation
By Kay Itoi / Newsweek International / April 5 issue
This may be the year of monkey, but Japanese will remember 2004 as the Year of Loser Dogs, thanks to an ongoing national debate.
It started with Junko Sakai's book, "Loser Dogs Barking," out since October. Single and childless women in their 30s or older are makeinu, the author declared. It doesn't matter how successful, beautiful or happy they might be. They're all "loser dogs."
...nearly a third of Tokyo's female thirtysomethings are single. But the figure is 44 percent for men. (Loser dawgs?) Yet nobody blames them.
...Sakai's book has sold 150,000 copies---a big hit
... that's why "Loser Dogs Barking" has sparked such an uproar. Just as loser dogs can't live up to what society expects of them, so Japan can't deliver what's expected of it...Call us Loser Dog Nation.

---------------

Losers, winners in contemporary JapanJapan Times/ April 1 / By JANET ASHBY
Bridget Jones in London, Ally McBeal in Boston, Carrie and her friends in New York City. Now Sakai Junko has published a best-selling volume of essays on singletons in Tokyo over the age of 30, like herself, whom she calls -- in a mix of ruefulness and pride -- makeinu (losers). In "Makeinu no toboe" (literally, "The distant barking of losing dogs"), Sakai examines the causes and characteristics of makeinu.
Sakai herself first realized she had become a complete makeinu after turning 35....

[Taro Toporific]

Junko Sakai?Last time I heard about her she was wearing an oversized cardigan and living (single) in a house full of cats.

:P

Makeinu no Onna: TBS televison June 23
Tuesday is the premier so you can listen and watch to an interpretation of this work rather than waste time reading the whiny book.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/suipre/top.html
Also refer to the old FG thread Beaten dogs

[Taro Toporific]

:P
http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5574

Nothing new here ....it's a recycled SQUARE WATERMELLON type of news story about Japan.

Japanese women live on their own, and like it
Gender roles shift as many stay single
By Anthony Faiola
Updated: 1:24 a.m. ET Aug. 31, 2004
TOKYO - Junko Sakai, a stylish 37-year-old sipping fresh grapefruit juice at a hip center city cafe, insisted that she did not mean to create a furor when she wrote her blockbuster book about the little-told lives of single Japanese wome.... "The Howl of the Loser Dogs," describes the advances of women who were once considered "losers" for not getting married. ".... Basically, we like to say we're just too beautiful and smart to marry. . . . But the truth is, we are single, and we shouldn't hide from that word."

.....Some Japanese men, including political leaders, have criticized single women who refuse to retain their traditional roles in the home. Yoshiro Mori, Japan's former prime minister, insisted angrily last year that women who do not give birth should not receive pensions.

"Welfare is supposed to take care of and reward those women who have lots of children," he said in a speech. "It is truly strange to say that we have to use tax money to take care of women who don't even give birth once, who grow old living their lives selfishly and singing the praises of freedom."

Some Japanese bachelors are getting desperate. After 10 failed attempts to find a bride through a matchmaking service, Masayuki Kado, 39, enrolled in a new bridegroom school in Nagoya, Japan's fourth-largest city.

Kado, a solar panel researcher, endured lessons in witty conversation, clothing coordination and good grooming habits. But in the real world, Kado said his biggest hurdle has little to do with clothes or charm. "It's difficult even after marriage. Women today no longer want to stay home," he said. "But I still want to come home after work and see my wife greeting me at the front door saying, 'Welcome home, honey.' "

[kurohinge1]

... Kado, a solar panel researcher, endured lessons in witty conversation, clothing coordination and good grooming habits. But in the real world, Kado said his biggest hurdle has little to do with clothes or charm. "It's difficult even after marriage. Women today no longer want to stay home," he said. "But I still want to come home after work and see my wife greeting me at the front door saying, 'Welcome home, honey.' "

What you need, Kado-chan, is a TIME MACHINE.


I suggest you try the 1950's.
A fine selection for a male solar panel researcher.