Taxmageddon

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

the recent increase of J-economic disparity is due to the increase of irregular employment, not the increase of the rich, unlike the rest of the world. and most of them are the younger generations.
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/toukei/saikin/hw/ ... /dl/03.pdf

I firmly agree with you. Allowing permatemps pretty much doomed the Japanese economy.
And the shrinking, aging population.

[Wage Slave]

Is that really a uniquely Japanese phenomenon though? Zero hour contracts are, unfortunately, ubiquitous elsewhere. And they bear more heavily on the young as do soaring property prices/rents and university fees paid for via student loans.

Nor is an aging population unique by any stretch.

[legion]

The Ecronicmiss covered this issue a while back. The article had a brain hemorrhage trying not to conclude that employment security is vital to a healthy economy. The Ecronicmiss being an uncritical cheerleader of the belief that employees' rights are an obstruction to a dynamic economy. Dynamic economy meaning rich folk get richer, everyone else gets fucked.

[kurogane]

The Necronomist has been surprisingly reflective and dangerously progressive lately (economically, not just being artfully gay and girl friendly), which suggests that even the greed junkies are starting to realise how shaky their lofty parapet is getting, or at least their court jesters are. Are you a regular reader (I subscribe)? I like it because they write well and provide information and a perspective so obvious it can be accounted for with ease. Much of the data in Das Capital came straight from the hallowed pages. If we must have an enema it is always good to know that enema, in MYHOMO. They even mentioned Runciman's Relative Deprivation as a "possible" contributing factor to the current unease, which led to a protest from the Ministry of the Bleeding Obvious for encroachment on their turf.

I agree with Take above there, but it isn't solely a Japanese thing by any means as BrCow noted. Pretending it is is part of his yellow face schtick, though, so it seems fair
The tigers are eating their young even though their future meals depend on those young providing them. Improved employment security would be a huge boost to domestic consumptionals. Even though that is not the economy we are looking for

[Samurai_Jerk]

The question is how do you force companies to offer more job stability? Some would argue that the reason for the high percentage of temps and contractors in Japan is the legal protection of permanent employees from being fired by labor law. Not that the ability to fire at will has led to employment stability in the US. The bigger question is how are we going to make sure that most people continue to have enough resources to live a decent life as humans become increasingly obsolete.

[Mike Oxlong]

The bigger question is how are we going to make sure that most people continue to have enough resources to live a decent life as humans become increasingly obsolete.

Universal basic income?

[Samurai_Jerk]

The bigger question is how are we going to make sure that most people continue to have enough resources to live a decent life as humans become increasingly obsolete.

Universal basic income?

Yes, it's a movement that's growing but it'll take a long time to sell that idea.

[Takechanpoo]

the top 1% of J-income and the top 10% of J-income

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http://cruel.hatenablog.com/entry/20150213/1423801812

its not clear only by these graphs whether or not the upper middle class increased or the lower class increased and relatively "increased" the upper middle . but the answer seems to be the latter.

[wagyl]

What those graphs show more than anything else, is that the best program to improve income equality is global warfare. But you have to do it right. World War I didn't quite cut it.

[legion]

The Necronomist has been surprisingly reflective and dangerously progressive lately (economically, not just being artfully gay and girl friendly), which suggests that even the greed junkies are starting to realise how shaky their lofty parapet is getting, or at least their court jesters are. Are you a regular reader (I subscribe)? I like it because they write well and provide information and a perspective so obvious it can be accounted for with ease. Much of the data in Das Capital came straight from the hallowed pages. If we must have an enema it is always good to know that enema, in MYHOMO. They even mentioned Runciman's Relative Deprivation as a "possible" contributing factor to the current unease, which led to a protest from the Ministry of the Bleeding Obvious for encroachment on their turf.

I used to get the Necronomist as a hand me down from the upper management where I work,funnily enough it always arrived on my desk in pristine condition, and left my desk with the pages stuck together after I couldn't contain my excitement

But they stopped getting the intellectually challenging dead tree so now I just peruse the web site and read the three articles a month that cover Nippon.

I lost faith in the missive after their complete failure to predict the Lehman shock and their pathetic attempt to rationalize it. The lead article that said "someone might lose their job and home but they won't notice the depression that doesn't happen" was a particular favourite. Like losing your job and home is a minor hiccup for the minions.

It's owned by the Lizards too, and the last editor performed pathetically on "Have I Got News for You" which is the litmus test of Brit influencers.

[inflames]

the recent increase of J-economic disparity is due to the increase of irregular employment, not the increase of the rich, unlike the rest of the world. and most of them are the younger generations.
http://www.mhlw.go.jp/toukei/saikin/hw/ ... /dl/03.pdf

I firmly agree with you. Allowing permatemps pretty much doomed the Japanese economy.
And the shrinking, aging population.

The economy here is fucked because of a few things. Temps are used because companies want some flexibility to bring down employment numbers if necessary, and to reduce labor costs overall (seishain want raises every year - temps don't expect anything). The issue isn't that it is easy to fire people, but rather that it is easy to fire certain groups of people (and practically impossible to fire other groups) - this is a huge issue and making everyone easy to fire (and forcing companies to hire older people) would help out a ton. The big thing the US has is that, if you are fired, you can get another job relatively easily, even if you are old. My dad was forced to retire in 2009 and got a holiday job, then that turned into a regular job, and they have been begging him to work full-time and become a manager since then.

Japan basically focused on exports, except Japan now is an expensive place to produce anything. Compared to, say, the southern US where you can get a reasonably well-educated workforce, free land (or nearly free), tax subsidies and be in a big and growing market you're an idiot if you choose to produce a lot in Japan. Back in 2011 and 2012 they could barely keep the lights on - in 2012 that was a government-made problem.

[kurogane]

The bigger question is how are we going to make sure that most people continue to have enough resources to live a decent life as humans become increasingly obsolete.

Universal basic income?

Yes, it's a movement that's growing but it'll take a long time to sell that idea.

We might need to lengthen the timeline :

Switzerland's voters rejects basic income plan
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36454060

Allowing for their anality, stolen Jewish gold and the long dark shadow of Calvinism I would of thought they might be logical enough to at least try and fiddle with it. I would think a Scandoweegie country will be the first. FTR, this was a popular referendum through petition not a national legislative effort.

It's such a brilliant idea and such a realistic compromise it's almost impossible to see it ever winning over the all the progressives of the Angly working classes that still plan to retire to their palatial waterfront mansions after winning the lottery/pools and quitting their big box warehouse jobs.

Speculation: most techno-barons would support it, both for its socially progressive aspects and because that money will then buy their junk. Yes or no, why or why not?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Kurogane,

The idea is actually very popular among Silicon Valley types many of whom have libertarian tendencies. It might seem odd that libertarians would support this idea but the claim is that giving people money with no strings attached is cheaper and easier to administer than welfare programs so it would actually mean smaller government. Plus studies apparently show that people are more efficient when given total freedom in how they use their money than when they have a lot of restrictions attached as they do with things like food stamps.

[kurogane]

erp

[legion]

better idea would be give people some arable land, a spade and some potatoes

few years later you have the Chicago Police force

[wagyl]

There I was thinking that Silicon Valley rich folk were all Ayn Rand fans.

(As an aside, I discovered in my uncle's obituary that he was an Ayn Rand fan too. It explains so much of his arseholery. His series of partners all paid for it, as did all his children during his life, and they all continue to do so after he set up his estate so that there could be no possible result other than fights between them.)

[GargoyleTS]

you suggest that a joke Legion, but honestly if I was given even half an acre of land with utilities already run to it, i'd be quite happy. build a tinyhome on it (600 sq ft or less) and start growing food and maybe raise chickens and a couple of goats. That and the internet and I'd call myself retired.

[matsuki]

you suggest that a joke Legion, but honestly if I was given even half an acre of land with utilities already run to it, i'd be quite happy. build a tinyhome on it (600 sq ft or less) and start growing food and maybe raise chickens and a couple of goats. That and the internet and I'd call myself retired.

THIS

[legion]

you suggest that a joke Legion, but honestly if I was given even half an acre of land with utilities already run to it, i'd be quite happy. build a tinyhome on it (600 sq ft or less) and start growing food and maybe raise chickens and a couple of goats. That and the internet and I'd call myself retired.

THIS

I'd be in the next field mate

[matsuki]

June isn't too late to start...at the very least, you'd do me a great service if you cleared that field next door!

[legion]

June isn't too late to start...at the very least, you'd do me a great service if you cleared that field next door!

pipe dreams don't include back ache and mosquitoes

[kurogane]

well done.

I would happily take the 600 sq. ft. as well, but the vegetable patch would be a deck. A big Fuck Off deck, because any town I would ever live in would already have a vegetable patch known as the produce section.

[wuchan]

you suggest that a joke Legion, but honestly if I was given even half an acre of land with utilities already run to it, i'd be quite happy. build a tinyhome on it (600 sq ft or less) and start growing food and maybe raise chickens and a couple of goats. That and the internet and I'd call myself retired.

I'm there now. I only work part time to pay for internet, cell phone, trips and steak.

[matsuki]

June isn't too late to start...at the very least, you'd do me a great service if you cleared that field next door!

pipe dreams don't include back ache and mosquitoes

That's what hydraulics and mosquito net is for!