Burkini Babes Will Handcuff You

[legion]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-scotland-hijab-official-uniform-muslim-women-islam-muslims-veil-a7207106.html

Police Scotland has announced that the hijab will become part of its official uniform as it aims to create a more diverse force.

The force said they hope the move will “encourage women from Muslim communities, who may previously not have seen policing as a career option, to reconsider”.

Must suck being a self oppressor if you have a homely face but great T&A

Which brings me to the real buzzing issue on Europe's beaches

Burkini ban, for or against?

[Wage Slave]

Utterly idiotic and repressive.

[Grumpy Gramps]

For hundreds of years men have oppressed and dominated women by putting them under the lash of strange dress codes. Best way to get rid of that is if we from the enlightned and supreme western world oppress and dominate the women with our own strange dress code. Because we call it freedom and that's that.

Of course the girls themselves have no say in it. No free will, because we know what's best for them and their fashion. And we know where that would lead to. In the end, they want suffrage and drivers licenses and stuff, hahaha.

[Taro Toporific]

Burkini ban, for or against?

NUDE!!~

[legion]

I think it is a smart tactical move by the French

They are deliberately provoking the situation and driving a wedge in.

[Samurai_Jerk]

I think it is a smart tactical move by the French

They are deliberately provoking the situation and driving a wedge in.

It really is amazing. It serves no purpose other than further antagonizing and isolating a community that already feels antagonized and isolated. And claiming that it's somehow hygiene related seems pretty bizarre. Or has something been lost in translation? Coligny?

[wagyl]

Why are you asking Coligny? It has nothing to do with trucks, military hardware, cats or Russia, and is only marginally relates to Verdun.

Then again, he is personally responsible for every single achievement of France since Charlemagne's grandfather, so I suppose it is an appropriate question.

[yanpa]

Which brings me to the real buzzing issue on Europe's beaches

Burkini ban, for or against?

Donald Trump called and asked if he could borrow the idea.

Burkinis, burkas, niqabs, whatever - I personally dislike them, but who am I do dictate who wears what? Unless they're going down to the beach wearing novelty inflatable suicide bomb belts as floatation aids, then yeah, that would be a bit over the top.

PS having been to the odd European beach in my time, there should be patrols insisting on full body cover in certain cases, for both genders regardless of ethnic origin or religious persuasion.

[Coligny]

I think it is a smart tactical move by the French

They are deliberately provoking the situation and driving a wedge in.

It really is amazing. It serves no purpose other than further antagonizing and isolating a community that already feels antagonized and isolated. And claiming that it's somehow hygiene related seems pretty bizarre. Or has something been lost in translation? Coligny?

From what I grabbed the local ordinance has nothing to do with hygiene. the current bits of local legislation applies to public beaches and rules explicitly against display of ostentatious religious ...identity... These beaches usually allows for dogs. When you allow for dogs you can't argue aboot hygiene anymore...

Legion, don't asume they are smart or really know what they are doing... we are few month away from the next presidential election. The bilan of Hollande/vals is abysmal. Hollande is a pure breed cretin. And Vals is a sociopath who refuse to take his meds. They want another go at the presidency so to look tough they go for high visibility easy targets...

swimming suits...

Fucking swimming suits...

Now re-read this last sentence... you should at least laugh or cry...
(and cherry on the cake; sarkozy is coming back)

At this point most top officers of french intel should have been beheaded or at least fired.It reeks of 1942's Vichy's clusterfuck. except that this time the muslims take the blame instead of the jews...

[Grumpy Gramps]

When a government starts to worry about which way round you have to wear your pants, than it smells of Peter Principle. Politicians have risen to their level of incompetence.

[wagyl]

I really don't know what all this fuss is about. It is no different to North Korea telling its citizens what style of haircut to have. That can only be a good thing, right?

[Samurai_Jerk]

I think it is a smart tactical move by the French

They are deliberately provoking the situation and driving a wedge in.

It really is amazing. It serves no purpose other than further antagonizing and isolating a community that already feels antagonized and isolated. And claiming that it's somehow hygiene related seems pretty bizarre. Or has something been lost in translation? Coligny?

From what I grabbed the local ordinance has nothing to do with hygiene. the current bits of local legislation applies to public beaches and rules explicitly against display of ostentatious religious ...identity... These beaches usually allows for dogs. When you allow for dogs you can't argue aboot hygiene anymore...

Legion, don't asume they are smart or really know what they are doing... we are few month away from the next presidential election. The bilan of Hollande/vals is abysmal. Hollande is a pure breed cretin. And Vals is a sociopath who refuse to take his meds. They want another go at the presidency so to look tough they go for high visibility easy targets...

swimming suits...

Fucking swimming suits...

Now re-read this last sentence... you should at least laugh or cry...
(and cherry on the cake; sarkozy is coming back)

At this point most top officers of french intel should have been beheaded or at least fired.It reeks of 1942's Vichy's clusterfuck. except that this time the muslims take the blame instead of the jews...

I read several articles that quoted the mayor of Cannes saying it was a hygiene issue. Since we got that word from French I was wondering if maybe it was lazy translation that lacked the nuance of the meaning of the word in French.

Anyway, I see you no longer have a crush on Hollande.

[Coligny]

Fuck this... right now I'm thinking aboot registering to vote for Sarkozy. The Charles de Gaulle carrier should be on a 18 month checkup (scheduled SLEP) but Hollande ordered it to go back to sea for launching pointless nav-air strikes in Syria. The only thing It brings over using local Nato airfield would be nuclear strike capability.

Found a supposedly official version:

"l’accès aux plages et à la baignade sont interdits à compter de la signature du présent arrêté jusqu’au 31 août 2016, à toute personne n’ayant pas une tenue correcte, respectueuse des bonnes moeurs et de la laïcité, respectant les règles d’hygiène et de sécurité des baignades adaptées au domaine public maritime".

"respectful of health and safety bathing/(swimming) rules adapted to public ---maritime space---"
Just standard alphabet noodle soup legaleeze. Weasel filler the equivalent of styrene peanuts inside a parcel.
and the local ordinance is only good until 31 of august. It"s a local decision that can be striked as illegal but filling the paperwork would take more time than the lifespan of the ordinance. The big law from the top will have to face review for legality or constitutionality.

also

respectueuse des bonnes moeurs et de la laïcité

"respectful of modesty and secularism" there is so much weasel wording that I'm surprised Peta didn't show up yet..

... modesty... on a french beach... where you sometimes wonder since when pubes became a sufficient swimwear...

[Samurai_Jerk]

Thanks, Coligny. To say it's a health issue is ridiculous (unless maybe you're talking about heat stroke ) but as I suspected the English-language press was being lazy. Hygiene means healthy practices but it generally implies cleanliness which is the angle everyone seems to be running with. The implication being that the mayor is calling Muslims dirty. Doesn't it not carry that connotation in French?

[kagemusha]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/25/both-sides-are-wrong-in-the-burkini-wars.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

It seems that we are in the midst of mutual mass-identity hysteria

[matsuki]

I could give two shits about what other people are wearing...oppressive, liberating? I do find people' with their faces covered creepy though....

[Mike Oxlong]

Some of the vampire wimmins here fear the sun so much they go full hooded burqa when driving. Not happy their already terrible driving is hampered further by completely removing peripheral vision.

[dimwit]

Yes, head scarves offend me.

[yanpa]

Canada's Mounties allow women in uniform to wear hijabs

[legion]

At this point most top officers of french intel should have been beheaded or at least fired.It reeks of 1942's Vichy's clusterfuck. except that this time the muslims take the blame instead of the jews...

Obviously you know a great deal more about French politics than I, despite the many happy holidays I spent there as a child and the great uncles I never had the chance to know lying in a well tended and marked graves.

However I do think that France as a country with land borders as well as sea has a fundamentally more robust approach to its security and identity, so in this I do see perhaps a more aggressive approach, targeting something which is bound to stir up the pot, but done with a long view, to root out the hot heads and shoot them on the spot.

I also find it interesting we have feminists arguing for the right to be oppressed by patriarchs. I hope that one of the reasons for this law and others like it is to give the women a tool to extract themselves from the culture of oppression and the education of submission.

And finally, I think La Mer has a very special place in the soul of the French. (Talking of Vichy and its aftermath)

I want a 2CV and a hot dusty road along the Brittany coast now

[Coligny]

Thanks, Coligny. To say it's a health issue is ridiculous (unless maybe you're talking about heat stroke ) but as I suspected the English-language press was being lazy. Hygiene means healthy practices but it generally implies cleanliness which is the angle everyone seems to be running with. The implication being that the mayor is calling Muslims dirty. Doesn't it not carry that connotation in French?

Not really. From the side of public perception "Hygiene et securite" (like health and safety I think) is more a one piece job title anyway.
The realm of people walking around with rulebooks and manuals checking that what's in front of them is done according to their books. Talking about hygiene et securite breach usually make people wonder which fire extinguisher break the law by being the wrong shade of red. Sure cleanliness is part of it. But more in narrow strictly defined manners linked to precise tasks. It's mostly about liabilities.

Any attempt at saying the muslims are dirty would more likely involve the label "public health" and be really far fetched here.

[Russell]

Burkini is fine with me, but I do have a problem with female cops walking around in religious attire.

Sigh, I must be getting old. But I wish I was older to have experienced the good eras more intensively...

[yanpa]

Meanwhile in 1960, down on the beaches of the American South... Florida wade-ins to end racial segregation of public beach and pools (Civil Rights Movement) 1945-1964

Back to the present: France's highest court suspends burkini ban in test case

[dimwit]

I think burkinis are great and all muslim men should be wearing them too.

[Coligny]

Back to the present: France's highest court suspends burkini ban in test case

Not a test case... Ban is illegal...

The state council ruled that the mayor did not have the right to issue a burkini ban – stating that local authorities could only restrict individual liberties if there was a “proven risk” to public order. it believed that proven risk had not been demonstrated.

They make it sound like if it was a highschool meeting decision . While it's the equivalent of the US supreme court saying "fuck no !"

The French republic is built on a strict separation of church and state, intended to foster equality for all private beliefs. In theory, the state is neutral in terms of religion and allows everyone the freedom to practise their faith as long as there is no threat to public order.

Laws are not "theories"
Burkini on a civil servant at work -> illegal
Burkini at the beach -> not anyone's business

This shitfest is the usual bending of laws against something you don't like. Like a DMCA take down against bad reviews.

[Coligny]

At this point most top officers of french intel should have been beheaded or at least fired.It reeks of 1942's Vichy's clusterfuck. except that this time the muslims take the blame instead of the jews...

Obviously you know a great deal more about French politics than I, despite the many happy holidays I spent there as a child and the great uncles I never had the chance to know lying in a well tended and marked graves.

Not much... but like your mom's cooking, you can tell what's coming up just by the smell from the kitchen.This early knowledge give you few minutes for a life saving run out to the library. Licking moss out of trees remaining a safer option.

However I do think that France as a country with land borders as well as sea has a fundamentally more robust approach to its security and identity, so in this I do see perhaps a more aggressive approach, targeting something which is bound to stir up the pot, but done with a long view, to root out the hot heads and shoot them on the spot.

Security... summed up as "we have nukes, don't fuck with us" and to improve the madness we have a squad of rafale with at least one aircraft in the sky 24h/7 circling the hexagone and ready to fire nukes at any time. It's like CQB with nukes... (and on top of the boomers fleet). Not really usefull against 1 guy with an AK47 unloading it in Paris... But sure feels like we're expecting a blitzkrieg.Everything else is geared toward oversea meddling.

As for identity... it's bipolar... when inside everyone is french... from somewhere else. and absolutely no one in their right mind would claim to be a Parisien. Now oversea it's a different matter. And I saw it as being the exact opposite from the japanese:
1 french -> weapon grade asshole.
1 jap -> a glass of tap water... that can bow...
flock of frenches: auto censoring and regulating group. (*)
flock of japaneses: self centered disaster

* again look up at 1942. Fighters left the hexagone to regroup left and right before attempting to strike back. see the Free French Airforce for example. Pilots who went to england and the Soviet Union to form squadron with borrowed local planes. Politics and religion having no place in the matter.

[yanpa]

Analogy fails because, well, British beaches...

british-terror.jpg

[matsuki]

Needless to saw but when one realizes the burka wearing womens are not the equivalent of nuns, it makes no sense either. Russel pointed out that it indeed results in cops wearing religious attire....I wonder if colanders would be permitted headwear by police?

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

I don't give a fuck what women wear. Actually, I lie. Personally, I would prefer women wore nothing. To be honest, though, it's none of my fucken business. She should be able to wear (or not wear) whatever she likes.
I've got strong opinions on this issue, though. As someone with lifelong left wing beliefs, I'm disgusted that so many allegedly progressive thinkers are sticking up for the burqini. All in all, this repressive item of clothing is a fucken imposition on women, as frequently happens with cults. All the cult rules on dress are fucked. But even more fucked are the huge numbers of otherwise sensible people defending (and perpetuating) them. My tolerance doesn't extend to repressive cults, particularly one that keeps its women stuffed in bags. The left should be joining in opposition to the burqini, too, in my not-so-humble-opinion.
This is another example of how the left has been utterly bedazzled by bullshit over the past few decades, drawn away from real issues to superficial and often semantic matters.

[Screwed-down Hairdo]

Burkini is fine with me, but I do have a problem with female cops walking around in religious attire.

Yes! This is the core issue.
Well said, Russell!