The National Tree will save Japan

[legion]

ironically burying power lines in japan will just increase road works even more than now......
dig and bury to renew asphalt. dig and bury to renew water pipes. dig and bury to renew gas pipes.
in addition, renewing and inspecting power lines will add the piles.....

I want the job of the guy that stands around watching the guy dig the hole

then I could say "Hey, when you are in a hole, stop digging!" and feel really smart

[matsuki]

You seriously think the estimates would be cheaper if it was a quote to dig a trench or bore a horizontal hole and get you hooked up?

Based on how much they want for digging a hole, buying a steel or wooden pole, and cementing it in....yeah.

I already have one trench for drainage and stuff and it's large enough for additional piping....which begs the question, can I get them to hookup using that, rather than poles? Would be nice not to have the wire draped across the land and if it's cheaper...fuck yeah.

[wagyl]

You seriously think the estimates would be cheaper if it was a quote to dig a trench or bore a horizontal hole and get you hooked up?

Based on how much they want for digging a hole, buying a steel or wooden pole, and cementing it in....yeah.

I already have one trench for drainage and stuff and it's large enough for additional piping....which begs the question, can I get them to hookup using that, rather than poles? Would be nice not to have the wire draped across the land and if it's cheaper...fuck yeah.

What I was saying is that any quote for a ditch will be just as exorbitantly increased as any quote for the cheaper to install pole and line. So I think the estimates would be even more.

Most likely, they will require a pole on your land to accept the power line, and you can then run the power underground from your pole to your building as you like. Most likely, but then I am not sure, because the power company is responsible for power to your meterbox, and they may not allow your plans.

I can imagine that they would be very unhappy for a powerline to run alongside a drainage pipe.

[Wage Slave]

Who knows. But in any case getting the power down and into any kind of trench is not completely straightforward - Things need to be out of the way of inquiring hands, car crashes and the like. You can't just lay any old cable in any old trench - there must be appropriate technology for physical and electrical protection. I would guess they don't know how to do it and nor do you.

I'd just go with the flow on this one.

[wagyl]

I'd just go with the flow on this one.

I don't know. I kind of get the feeling that Matsuki rather enjoys doing things the hard way. It's all in the struggle. It must be subconscious because he doesn't believe it is harder, he just can't understand why everyone else doesn't do it the way he is planning to.

[Russell]

You seriously think the estimates would be cheaper if it was a quote to dig a trench or bore a horizontal hole and get you hooked up?

Based on how much they want for digging a hole, buying a steel or wooden pole, and cementing it in....yeah.

I already have one trench for drainage and stuff and it's large enough for additional piping....which begs the question, can I get them to hookup using that, rather than poles? Would be nice not to have the wire draped across the land and if it's cheaper...fuck yeah.

What I was saying is that any quote for a ditch will be just as exorbitantly increased as any quote for the cheaper to install pole and line. So I think the estimates would be even more.

Most likely, they will require a pole on your land to accept the power line, and you can then run the power underground from your pole to your building as you like. Most likely, but then I am not sure, because the power company is responsible for power to your meterbox, and they may not allow your plans.

I can imagine that they would be very unhappy for a powerline to run alongside a drainage pipe.

Except that that is exactly the case with my house. No problem.

[Wage Slave]

You seriously think the estimates would be cheaper if it was a quote to dig a trench or bore a horizontal hole and get you hooked up?

Based on how much they want for digging a hole, buying a steel or wooden pole, and cementing it in....yeah.

I already have one trench for drainage and stuff and it's large enough for additional piping....which begs the question, can I get them to hookup using that, rather than poles? Would be nice not to have the wire draped across the land and if it's cheaper...fuck yeah.

What I was saying is that any quote for a ditch will be just as exorbitantly increased as any quote for the cheaper to install pole and line. So I think the estimates would be even more.

Most likely, they will require a pole on your land to accept the power line, and you can then run the power underground from your pole to your building as you like. Most likely, but then I am not sure, because the power company is responsible for power to your meterbox, and they may not allow your plans.

I can imagine that they would be very unhappy for a powerline to run alongside a drainage pipe.

Except that that is exactly the case with my house. No problem.

Oh, it can be done for sure. It's just that finding someone with the right knowledge and getting the SWA cable or whatever they use and the right ducts, boxes and whatever else may not be all that easy in the mountains of Niigata and isn't likely to be a notably cheap solution. But then Sekuisi aren't cheap - by a long shot.

Power shares the same trench with drainage and mains water? Given the right housing and separation that seems reasonable but it isn't likely to just be a matter of throwing it all in either.

[Coligny]

Here even the wire from the meter to the outside wire is ours and our responsability. since we are in a small street we still have poles. so the power entre throught our a pole in our parking then everything is underground to the bunker.

for the minibunker since it's more plus residential the wire pops up to the meter and go back underground to the building...

[matsuki]

I'd just go with the flow on this one.

I don't know. I kind of get the feeling that Matsuki rather enjoys doing things the hard way. It's all in the struggle. It must be subconscious because he doesn't believe it is harder, he just can't understand why everyone else doesn't do it the way he is planning to.

I'm open to whatever is cheapest but like I said, I already have a trench dug. Whether they can/will let me bury the line from the nearest pole to the build site is the real question. I have a feeling they'll require at least one pole on my property....and at that point, it becomes more work to route it to the trench than simply drape the wire directly to the home. BUT, as Coligny noted, it seems like here you own the line, up until it connects to the main power...so it may simply be a case of getting the work done and meeting whatever code(s) there are.

[Taro Toporific]

"I want to reduce the number of Poles in Tokyo to zero..."
---Governor Koike

Tokyo Faces $6.8 Billion Bill to Get Rid of Ugly Cables Before Olympics
bloomberg.com | April 3, 2017
...The Tokyo governor, co-author of the book ‘No Power Pole Revolution,’ wants to accelerate plans to remove the poles from the metropolis -- a project that could cost as much as $6.8 billion.
"The government and the public say Japan has too many power poles and cables compared to other countries and wonder 'what’s wrong with Japan?'" said Makoto Imabeppu, a manager at Tepco’s power grid unit... "
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Nooo!!~ They can't ban Japan's National Tree, the concrete utility pole. That's the home of Japan's National Bird, the mutant, 3-legged, crow.

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[Coligny]

Pfff stop crying and embrace the misery...

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[Grumpy Gramps]

Ah, Jexit. Where is Nigel, when you need him?

[matsuki]

[Wage Slave]

I've said it before - My Genki Denki plan makes perfect sense. Bury the power lines AND upgrade to 230V AND standardise the frequency/create a national grid. It stimulates all the right people AND would actually benefit the country long term. Do it. Just do it and reap the benefits.

[Grumpy Gramps]

Yess! But please not them clunky UK plugs.

[Wage Slave]

Agreed. They are over engineered. The European ones are better and a lot safer if you step on one in the dark.

While we are at it we should probably add an earth to all sockets. However, I think we can phase that in via all new builds - it really isn't as important as it was now that almost everything has a plastic case. In the meantime changing the sockets is fairly easy and the unconnected earth pin would at least make sure, for the first time, that active and neutral are under control.

[Takechanpoo]

no need to bury the cables in the earth. it will be just another concession of j-construction industry.

[Wage Slave]

Why do you think other countries have done it Tacky?

[Takechanpoo]

no need to hold to the superficial thing. just do not look up the sky and fixed

[Wage Slave]

no need to hold to the superficial thing. just do not look up the sky and fixed

You may be robustly philistine but I'm far from convinced most Japanese people are.

[wagyl]

I fear that some prejudice may be creeping in, Wage Slave. The number of times I have been to noted Japanese beauty spots and had to look at them with severe blinkers and even then had to mentally edit out intruding ugliness ... I think that there is a strong Japanese capacity to romanticise and idealise the natural environment to airbrush out the ugliness they have themselves inflicted on it.

In a land with pretty severe weather events, be they typhoons or heavy snowfalls, putting cables out of harm's way would be a positive thing. Unlike other countries, in Japan it is not just power, but also telephone, cable TV and fibre optic internet all piggybacking on those poles. One extra challenge Japan faces is that not only does the cost of relocating cables have to be found somewhere, most poles are on private property and there are a lot of people who will be disappointed to lose the few thousand yen they get each month in rent.

[Grumpy Gramps]

Driving through Nagoya, it is very obvious, how more and more of these sparrow-wires disappear. Feels weird, this void above the sidewalks does not belong here. Unjapanese. Still want the 400 volt, though

[Wage Slave]

I fear that some prejudice may be creeping in, Wage Slave. The number of times I have been to noted Japanese beauty spots and had to look at them with severe blinkers and even then had to mentally edit out intruding ugliness ... I think that there is a strong Japanese capacity to romanticise and idealise the natural environment to airbrush out the ugliness they have themselves inflicted on it.

Perhaps. But I harbour hope that that capacity to overlook inflicted ugliness is borne not of instinct but rather of necessity. There was a time, not so long ago really, when aesthetic considerations were, wholly justifiably, a long way down the list of priorities. And it became a bit of a working assumption. I see the progress already made as a return to something more aligned with true character. I think beauty and appearances matter a lot round here - It's just that for a while there they had to be ignored to get things done in a very short space of time.

[Russell]

no need to hold to the superficial thing. just do not look up the sky and fixed

You are the type who would not even mind if they hang the sewer pipes up in those poles...

[Coligny]

no need to hold to the superficial thing. just do not look up the sky and fixed

You are the type who would not even mind if they hang the sewer pipes up in those poles...

No... it's the fuckfart contrarian who ran out of shit to dump on the carpet to have people answer and give him the impression of not being one of many expandable japs...
More simply: the anal retentive phase that any non pet torturing 3 years old should have already left behind...

[matsuki]

As well as collapsing and holding up relief efforts in the event of a disaster, they’re damaging the scenery.

[Coligny]

As well as collapsing and holding up relief efforts in the event of a disaster, they’re damaging the scenery.

Tsss don't say that... there's still retards comforting themselves in the belief that if you see the broken poles and lines they are easier to spot and repair...
Because testing underground wires for continuity is apparently not a working method..

Undergound deploiment is only for power generators... near the seaside... and only if crucial for disaster avoidance recovery...

[matsuki]

I thought alternative facts was a Trump thing?