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Law of the sea...

Postby Coligny » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:58 pm

Here we go again...


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Not exactly the best time to ruin an aegis ship...
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby Taro Toporific » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:57 am

The fuck-ups just get better and better... :roll:
Mising U.S. sailor thought lost at sea off Japan found hiding aboard own ship
The Japan Times (japantimes.co.jp) June 18, 2017
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Postby Taro Toporific » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:58 pm

The fuck-ups just get better and better... :roll:

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There was one hell of a drinking party going on before the ACX freighter hit the USS Fitzgerald.

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PS: Yeah, yeah, I know that ships often make a wide loop or circle before landing if their docking slot is still occupied/delayed. However, ACX looks to be moving at speed, turning too much sharply, and not appearing to be really trying to waste time before landing.
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Postby Takechanpoo » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:03 pm

all of 7 the Missing U.S. sailors found dead
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ja ... e2846fd6ee

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/0 ... UX6BqIgduk
fucking damn japan times have no bones about distorting the facts for their political doctrine.
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby Taro Toporific » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:00 pm

Takechanpoo wrote:All of 7 the Missing U.S. sailors found [b]dead
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ja ... e2846fd6ee
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/0 ... UX6BqIgduk
fucking damn japan times have no bones about distorting the facts for their political doctrine.


I loooove the "hiding" headline (which most likely was written and approved by an American).

Petty Officer Mims could have been in the engineering spaces of the guided-missile cruiser:
    • Faking his death
    • Smoking dope off-duty
    ♥ Trying out buttsex with an electrified belaying pin while dressed in his granny's lingerie
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Postby Wage Slave » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:01 pm

Tacky, what the fuck are you on about? Have you been hitting the old nihon shu this weekend? And hard?

They are two separate stories from two unrelated ships and the Washington Post story has a link to the sailor found alive story. So where is the distortion of facts and in furtherance of what possible political doctrine have they been "distorted"?
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby wagyl » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:20 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:Petty Officer Mims could have been in the engineering spaces of the guided-missile cruiser:
    • Faking his death
    • Smoking dope off-duty
    ♥ Trying out buttsex with an electrified belaying pin while dressed in his granny's lingerie

I know that military hierarchy requires that lower ranks curb their initiative and just limit their activities to what they are told, but any self respecting sailor would have been doing all three at once.

After all, the Royal Navy traditionally encourages a very similar triplex of activities: rum, sodomy and the lash.
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby TennoChinko » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:04 pm

According to this article, Mims went missing on the 8th of June (well before the collision ):

https://www.navytimes.com/articles/surp ... g-on-board

Presumed dead after going missing June 8, Gas Turbine Systems Technician (Mechanical) 3rd Class Peter Mims reportedly hid himself in one of the engine rooms, according to two sources familiar with the situation.
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby Wage Slave » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:41 pm

TennoChinko wrote:According to this article, Mims went missing on the 8th of June (well before the collision ):

https://www.navytimes.com/articles/surp ... g-on-board

Presumed dead after going missing June 8, Gas Turbine Systems Technician (Mechanical) 3rd Class Peter Mims reportedly hid himself in one of the engine rooms, according to two sources familiar with the situation.


It was a completely different ship in a completely different sea.
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby TennoChinko » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:44 pm

Wage Slave wrote:
TennoChinko wrote:According to this article, Mims went missing on the 8th of June (well before the collision ):

https://www.navytimes.com/articles/surp ... g-on-board

Presumed dead after going missing June 8, Gas Turbine Systems Technician (Mechanical) 3rd Class Peter Mims reportedly hid himself in one of the engine rooms, according to two sources familiar with the situation.


It was a completely different ship in a completely different sea.


Ah, I see now. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby legion » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:12 pm

wagyl wrote:After all, the Royal Navy traditionally encourages a very similar triplex of activities: rum, sodomy and the lash.


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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:56 pm

The accident sounds like a major fuckup whether or no it was the USS Fitzgerald's but, but...

Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Rehm, three months short of retirement, saved 20 sailors from a flooding compartment on the Fitzgerald. He drowned after he went back in for the last six of his "kids." "He said, 'If my kids die, I'm going to die.'"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/navy-sailo ... ie-trying/


Give him the Navy and Marine Corps Medal posthumously, and a posthumous promotion to Chef Petty Officer to help his family.
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby Mike Oxlong » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:12 pm

THE USS FITZGERALD INCIDENT — A YOKOSUKA SURFACE OFFICER’S TAKE
No fucking excuse.

None.

There is no mystery here.

The Underway Officer of the Deck Fucked UP so bad it’s difficult to imagine. I’ve been OOD in and out of Yokosuka—USS REEVES (CG-24); about the same displacement—a hundred times; during all times of day, night, adverse weather, and wee hours. In fact, coming into Yokosuka, 4 am in that part of the entry lanes is quite common, so we’d be tied up by the morning’s work day and shipyard workers could get busy.

The Captain fucked up by having someone so incompetent as OOD. They both need to go down hard, full force; because there is no excuse. None. That’s the Navy tradition that has always served the surface fleet well. Ultimate accountability, no passes ever. Your career is over. …And all this bullshit in the NYP article about ship-to-ship comms is utter nonsense. Almost never happens and even if you try, you almost never get a response. With commercial vessels, you instead always assume it’s on auto-pilot, there’s one dude—if anyone at all—on the bridge, he’s drunk, and probably asleep.

This shit is easy to avoid, even in very heavy choke-point shipping traffic in and out. Surface radar easily has a 30k ton container ship painted 20-30 miles out, and you can see them with your own eyeballs 10-12 miles out. Once you do a minute of scope head plotting with the grease pencil, you can see how close you’ll come to each other if both vessels maintain course and speed. If inside of 10,000 yards (5 nautical miles), all it takes is a 2-5 degree course change, early, to port or starboard, to keep him outside of that envelope.

And, every set of Standing Orders on US Navy ships typically demands that if for some reason it’s unavoidable to keep another vessel outside of 10k yards, you are to notify the Captain immediately.

It’s a complete fuck up, and now eight people are dead...

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Postby wagyl » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:43 pm

Report: USS Fitzgerald Was Likely At Fault in Collision
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby CrankyBastard » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:17 am

Unwritten rule of the road, 'If it's gray, stay away!'
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Re: Law of the sea...

Postby Coligny » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:17 am

CrankyBastard wrote:Unwritten rule of the road, 'If it's gray, stay away!'



Weird, I see several times a week ro-ro car carriers that have the whole hull painted light gray. Thought it was for milships only...
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Postby CrankyBastard » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:52 am

Coligny wrote:
CrankyBastard wrote:Unwritten rule of the road, 'If it's gray, stay away!'



Weird, I see several times a week ro-ro car carriers that have the whole hull painted light gray. Thought it was for milships only...



Probably "K" Line (Kawasaki Kisen Kaisha)
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Postby Coligny » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:02 pm

So... no internationnal waters for them ?
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Postby Russell » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:21 pm

They were probably practicing how to ram ships in the South-China sea...
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Postby Mike Oxlong » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:10 pm

U.S. Navy, Citing Poor Seamanship, Removes Commanders of Warship in Deadly Crash
The U.S. Navy has removed the two senior officers and the senior enlisted sailor on a U.S. warship that almost sank off the coast of Japan in June after it was struck by a Philippine container ship, the Navy said on Friday.

Multiple investigations have yet to apportion blame for the accident that killed seven U.S. sailors aboard the guided missile destroyer the USS Fitzgerald.

However, the punishments are the first public admission by the U.S. Navy that mistakes by the crew contributed to the deadliest incident on a U.S. warship since Islamist extremists bombed the USS Cole in Yemen's Aden harbor in 2000.

"The collision was avoidable and both ships demonstrated poor seamanship. Within Fitzgerald, flawed watch stander teamwork and inadequate leadership contributed to the collision," the U.S. Seventh Fleet said in a media release.

In the first detailed account from one of those directly involved in the collision in the early hours of June 17, the captain of the cargo ship the ACX Crystal said in a report seen by Reuters his crew signaled the Fitzgerald with flashing lights around 10 minutes before the collision. The Fitzgerald did not respond or alter course, it said..

The commercial vessel had the right-of-way under maritime rules and the Fitzgerald, which was hit on the starboard side, was likely at fault.

Several U.S. and Japanese investigations are still under way into how the Fitzgerald and the much larger ACX Crystal collided in clear weather south of Tokyo Bay.

One pertinent question, said two naval officers who spoke on condition of anonymity, is what was happening at the time in the Fitzgerald's Combat Information Center, where crew members monitor radar that should have detected the approach of a 30,000-ton cargo vessel.

Commander Bryce Benson was relieved "due to a loss of confidence in his ability to lead", the Seventh Fleet said.

Commander Sean Babbitt and Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin "contributed to the lack of watch stander preparedness and readiness that was evident in the events leading up to the collision", it said.

Several other junior officers have also been relieved, with administrative action taken against other members of the ship's watch teams.

"SERIOUS MISTAKES"

Admiral Bill Moran, deputy chief of naval operations, told a media briefing earlier in Washington that about nine sailors would face administrative punishments.

"Serious mistakes were made by members of the crew, and there was no benefit to waiting on taking accountability actions," Moran said.

An official report released on Thursday contained dramatic accounts of what happened when the freighter hit the Fitzgerald.

The collision, at 1:30 a.m. local time, tore a gash below the Fitzgerald's waterline and sent water pouring into the warship, the report said.

"Water on deck," sailors in a berthing area started yelling. "Get out," they shouted as mattresses, furniture, and even an exercise bicycle began to float.

The berthing was completely flooded within 60 seconds, although more than two dozen of the 35 sailors in it escaped. The last sailor to be rescued was in the bathroom at the time of the collision.

"Lockers were floating past him, ... at one point he was pinned between the lockers and the ceiling of Berthing 2, but was able to reach for a pipe in the ceiling to pull himself free," the report said.

Two sailors stayed at the foot of the ladder in the compartment to help others escape.

"The choices made by these two sailors likely saved the lives of at least two of their shipmates," the report said.

Benson was trapped in his cabin and five sailors used a sledgehammer to break through the door.

"Even after the door was open, there was a large amount of debris and furniture against the door, preventing anyone from entering or exiting easily," the report said.

The sailors tied themselves to each other with a belt and rescued Benson, who was hanging from the side of the ship.

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Postby legion » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:10 pm

An official report released on Thursday contained dramatic accounts of what happened when the freighter hit the Fitzgerald.

Not that I'm superstitious or anything Gordon, but I wouldn't get on a ship called Fitzgerald

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Postby Mike Oxlong » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:29 pm

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Postby Russell » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:10 am

With a Navy like that, who needs enemies?

US destroyer USS John S McCain damaged after collision with oil tanker

This one was supposedly going to patrol in the South China sea...
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Postby matsuki » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:03 am

Russell wrote:With a Navy like that, who needs enemies?

US destroyer USS John S McCain damaged after collision with oil tanker

This one was supposedly going to patrol in the South China sea...


More incompetence (puts on tinfoil hat) or maybe it's destination had something to do with the collision?
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Postby Coligny » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:53 am

I barelyvread yesterday aboot his retasking...

WHAT A COINCIDENCE....
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Postby legion » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:14 pm

matsuki wrote:
Russell wrote:With a Navy like that, who needs enemies?

US destroyer USS John S McCain damaged after collision with oil tanker

This one was supposedly going to patrol in the South China sea...


More incompetence (puts on tinfoil hat) or maybe it's destination had something to do with the collision?


That is a scary thought

The Alnic MC is an oil tanker that sails under the Liberian flag. It is 182m (600ft) long and has a deadweight tonnage of 50,760. None of its crew were hurt in the incident.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia#Corruption

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Postby wagyl » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:02 pm

legion wrote:Where's my tinfoil hat when I need it?

Your tinfoil hat floated away, flying the flag of Panama (along with 2,371 other Japanese vessels).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

Anyway, I offer my congratulations to the US Navy in successfully getting reports of 7 fatalities off the news cycle, by creating a potentially bigger story.
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Postby legion » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:41 am

wagyl wrote:
legion wrote:Where's my tinfoil hat when I need it?

Your tinfoil hat floated away, flying the flag of Panama (along with 2,371 other Japanese vessels).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

Anyway, I offer my congratulations to the US Navy in successfully getting reports of 7 fatalities off the news cycle, by creating a potentially bigger story.


A basis for many criticisms is that the flag-of-convenience system allows shipowners to be legally anonymous and difficult to prosecute in civil and criminal actions.
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Postby Wage Slave » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:00 am

Suppose that tanker was actually under the control of North Korea or China which is quite possible. And suppose it set out to hit an American warship. If that warship was being sailed even barely competently, the tanker would have zero chance of hitting it - by design or by accident.

Was everyone on the bridge drunk? Asleep? That ship is equipped to detect any possible threat sea or air, is amazingly agile for its size and they managed to sail into the path of a lumbering supertanker?
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Postby matsuki » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:54 am

Wage Slave wrote:Suppose that tanker was actually under the control of North Korea or China which is quite possible. And suppose it set out to hit an American warship. If that warship was being sailed even barely competently, the tanker would have zero chance of hitting it - by design or by accident.

Was everyone on the bridge drunk? Asleep? That ship is equipped to detect any possible threat sea or air, is amazingly agile for its size and they managed to sail into the path of a lumbering supertanker?


Which was my first thought...even with intent, it isn't exactly a high speed collision that was unavoidable.
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