Law of the sea...

[wagyl]

lumbering supertanker?

It is not a supertanker until it is five times the size of Alnic MC.

And for Legion's information, the use of flags of convenience has more to do with permission to have the Filipino crew working 28 days straight without time off than it has to do with the ability to avoid punishment for potential crimes.

[Mike Oxlong]

Something is definitely off at the Seventh Fleet.


U.S. Navy Captain Pleades Guilty in "Fat Leonard" Case

U.S. Navy Captain Jesus Vasquez Cantu admitted in federal court on Friday that he accepted bribes in the form of parties and prostitutes while sneaking proprietary information to foreign defense contractor Leonard Glenn Francis, known as Fat Leonard” and his Singapore-based firm, Glenn Defense Marine Asia (GDMA).

28 people, including 21 current and former Navy officials and five civilian defendants, plus GDMA, the corporation, have been charged so far as part of the massive fraud and bribery investigation. 19 of these defendants have pleaded guilty. Nine defendants await trial.

Cantu, 59, of Silverdale, Washington, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit bribery and is scheduled to be sentenced on November 9, 2017 before U.S. District Judge Janis L. Sammartino.

In his plea agreement, Cantu acknowledged that Francis took him and others out for drinks and dinners at posh restaurants, nightclubs and karaoke bars and paid for lavish hotel rooms and the services of prostitutes on numerous occasions in 2012 and 2013. Cantu admitted that he provided proprietary U.S. Navy information to Francis, and that he used his power and influence to help Francis and GDMA with their business.

“The number of U.S. Navy officials who participated in this conspiracy is astounding,” said Acting U.S. Attorney Alana W. Robinson. “Like so many others, this defendant sold out the Navy and his country for cocktails and karaoke. We are pressing forward in this investigation until we are certain that all involved have been held accountable.”

According to his plea agreement, Cantu served in the Navy until 2014. During the time he was accepting bribes from Francis in 2012 and 2013, Cantu was the deputy commander, Military Sealift Command (MSC) Far East in Singapore. He oversaw the MSC ships that provided logistical sustainment to Navy ships operating in the Seventh Fleet.

Cantu also admitted in his plea agreement that, in 2007, when he was the Assistant Chief of Staff for Logistics for the Commander of the U.S. Navy’s Seventh Fleet aboard the USS Blue Ridge, he and others participated in a bribery conspiracy with Francis. Cantu and other members of the conspiracy accepted more than $135,000 in meals, entertainment, travel and hotel expenses, and the services of prostitutes from Francis. In exchange, they worked together to help Francis as issues important to his business arose.

Cantu’s 2007 conduct described in the plea agreement is related to the March 2017 indictment of nine high-ranking Seventh Fleet U.S. Navy officers. Retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Bruce Loveless and others are accused of conspiring with Francis, trading military secrets and substantial influence for sex parties with prostitutes, extravagant dinners and luxury travel. The others include Captains David Newland, James Dolan, Donald Hornbeck and David Lausman; Colonel Enrico DeGuzman; Lt. Commander Stephen Shedd; Commander Mario Herrera and Chief Warrant Officer Robert Gorsuch. Their cases are pending.

The other current or retired Navy officials charged so far in the fraud and bribery investigation are U.S. Navy Admiral Robert Gilbeau; Captain Michael Brooks; Captain Daniel Dusek; Commander Michael Misiewicz; Commander Jose Luis Sanchez; Commander Bobby Pitts; Commander David Kapaun; Lt. Commander Gentry Debord; Lt. Commander Todd Malaki; Petty Officer First Class Daniel Layug; NCIS Supervisory Special Agent John Beliveau; and Paul Simpkins, a former DoD civilian, who oversaw contracting in Singapore...

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[Coligny]

Everytime it happens... the post accident review show appaling seamanship from the US Navy.

Those foreign crew might not have the best training... but if they break the ship they have nowhere to sleep and might not get paid....

[Yokohammer]

But of course if it is then possible for the US to "prove" that it was an attack on a US naval vessel by NK, well gee whiz, they'd have reason to to retaliate, wouldn't they.


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[Wage Slave]

Or maybe they were all deep in a high stakes game of Boo-Ray or Spades. That's what American offshore oil rig types of my acquaintance did when they wanted some naughtiness on the job.

[legion]

lumbering supertanker?

It is not a supertanker until it is five times the size of Alnic MC.

And for Legion's information, the use of flags of convenience has more to do with permission to have the Filipino crew working 28 days straight without time off than it has to do with the ability to avoid punishment for potential crimes.

yeah, I read that, it's a nice world we live in

Apparently it's globalism in action, which appears to translate into a race to the bottom

[Mike Oxlong]

Is someone hacking our 7th Fleet? Navy to investigate after USS John S McCain collision

[Grumpy Gramps]

Hehe, Russians meddling again lol

[Mike Oxlong]

I know, right. Obsessed much? The art of the surface plot with a grease pencil is dead.

[Coligny]

Next time i have the shits, can I blame the Russians too ?

[Taro Toporific]

US Navy to relieve admiral of command after collisions
Reuters | August 22, 2017. 10:30am JST
The U.S. Navy plans to remove from duty the commander of the fleet that has suffered four recent collisions in Asia and the deaths of a number of sailors, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday, citing U.S. officials.
Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin, the three-star commander of the U.S. Seventh Fleet based in Yokosuka, Japan, will be relieved of command on Wednesday in connection with four collisions since January, including two involving fatalities, two U.S. officials said, according to the Wall Street Journal. It said Navy officials declined to comment.
NBC News has confirmed the report.

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Next time i have the shits, can I blame the Russians too ?

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

flogging.jpg

...Jeff Stutzman, an ex-information warfare specialist in the Navy who works at a cyber threat intelligence company, told McClatchy that “there’s something more than just human error going on."
..."When you are going through the Strait of Malacca, you can't tell me that a Navy destroyer doesn't have a full navigation team going with full lookouts on every wing and extra people on radar," he said...
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/08/22/ ... ision.html

[legion]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

[Russell]

I suspect they did just let the ship sail without someone at the steering wheel. This is probably not so unusual. Japanese fishing vessels are notorious for that.

[Russell]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

[Coligny]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

If you want to notice it before it's too late...
Yes... that could definately be useful...

[Russell]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

If you want to notice it before it's too late...
Yes... that could definately be useful...

Even without binoculars you would notice it from a large distance, wouldn't you?

Anyway, never mind...

[Coligny]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

If you want to notice it before it's too late...
Yes... that could definately be useful...

Even without binoculars you would notice it from a large distance, wouldn't you?

Anyway, never mind...

These days I spend a good part of my time in the harbor around RoRo car carriers...
And these things while gigantic when they are within hand reach become ridiculously unnoticeable after few minutes slowly heading out...

And that's for clear days, because if you add the tiniest amount of sea fog... you don't see anything anymore...

[legion]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

If you want to notice it before it's too late...
Yes... that could definately be useful...

Even without binoculars you would notice it from a large distance, wouldn't you?

Anyway, never mind...

Ever seen a ship do an emergency stop?

[Coligny]

Aircraft carriers... yes...
Oil tankers... eh eh eh...

Eh eh eh eh eh eh eh.....

[Grumpy Gramps]

But then, I reckon that both ships have radar with proximity warning, so somewhere a beeper should have gone off.

[Russell]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

If you want to notice it before it's too late...
Yes... that could definately be useful...

Even without binoculars you would notice it from a large distance, wouldn't you?

Anyway, never mind...

Ever seen a ship do an emergency stop?

Yep.

Time to stop depends on the size of the ship and the power of its engines.

Warships are pretty good in changing course quickly.

[Wage Slave]

Time for the US Navy to reintroduce flogging.

And maybe binoculars

You need binoculars to notice an oil tanker?

If you want to notice it before it's too late...
Yes... that could definately be useful...

Even without binoculars you would notice it from a large distance, wouldn't you?

Anyway, never mind...

Ever seen a ship do an emergency stop?

Yep.

Time to stop depends on the size of the ship and the power of its engines.

Warships are pretty good in changing course quickly.

Yep. And that's been the case for a long long time. In battle it can matter a lot. So it remains a total mystery how such a ship could sail into the path of a lumbering tanker. And anyway, minor course/speed adjustments are all it takes - there is no need for an emergency stop.

Anyone know who had right of way? I seem to remember they admitted that in the previous crash off Japan, the civilian ship was in the right. The warship should have taken action to avoid it. I suspect the same is true in this collision or the USN would be making noises given the death toll on their ship.

Something is very badly wrong and the odds are that it is a discipline problem rather than hacking of their systems.

[Grumpy Gramps]

Anyone know who had right of way?

The destroyer was damaged near the rear on its port, or left-hand, side.
(Source)

This implies that the tanker would have seen the destroyer's red (port side) position lights. And red means stop. So it might be, the destroyer had right of way?

[Coligny]

This thread needz moar yurobeetz...

[wagyl]

And red means stop.

Good Lord. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ons_at_Sea

I am sure that more data will be revealed with time, and there is no need for anyone here to rush into speculation. Already I have been reluctant to take part in this discussion because where do you start with comments about a ship that has been damaged on its flanks being referred to as the one which ran into the other (with the caveat that apportionment of fault is different from which ship ran into which ship -- There are suggestions that the naval vessel was broadside in a shipping channel)? And then the idea that there could not be anything systematically wrong with US Naval operations (because, USA!!) so therefore people seem more open to the idea of external, maybe cyber influence.

Illustrative comments here: https://np.reddit.com/r/navy/comments/6 ... ?context=3

[legion]

Warships are pretty good in changing course quickly.

I said stop, not change course.

My point is there is an over reliance on technology.

[Grumpy Gramps]

And red means stop.

Good Lord.

Haha, the "for dummies" way to teach inexperienced crew on a sailboat, what to look out for
Though the question was: who had right of way. Therefore:

Right-of-way lights — A red light is mounted on the left, or port, side of the craft and a green on the right, or starboard, side, where "left" and "right" are from the perspective of someone on the craft facing forward. In a situation where the paths of two watercraft or aircraft cross, these lights help each crew determine the other craft's direction and who has right-of-way. When two craft have crossing paths, each sees a red or green running light. The craft on the port side, which must yield right of way, sees the red light on the other, while the craft on the starboard side, which has right of way, sees the green on the other.
(Source)

Of course we can only speculate, who was at fault. In the end, the winner writes the history-books as always.

[Coligny]

Don't forget the classic "heaviest ship with least maneuverability have the right of the way" It's an internationnal Newton law ... not everyplace is ruled as retarded kindergarden like car accident on japanese roads...

Now... just picture the shitshow if a heavy tanker met an aircraft carrier... the epitome of overpriced floating empty soda cans...

I'll be in my bunk...

[Grumpy Gramps]

This is not a supertanker, more like a local runaround (600 ft), has been renamed four or five times and changed flag two or three times in less than ten years. So on paper it smells a bit like a fly-by-night. They might even have black cats on board, but I couldn't confirm that by googling.

Still not as easy to manoeuvre as the destroyer, even though it is just a little bigger by dimensions.

[Coligny]

This is not a supertanker, more like a local runaround (600 ft), has been renamed four or five times and changed flag two or three times in less than ten years. So on paper it smells a bit like a fly-by-night. They might even have black cats on board, but I couldn't confirm that by googling.

Still not as easy to manoeuvre as the destroyer, even though it is just a little bigger by dimensions.

without both power to weight ratio it might be difficult to judge precisely...