Those Koreans got a lot of nerve

[Coligny]

I'll take that as a no then. Anyone else persuaded by this clown's completely unsupported claim that Japanese colonisation in Korea was "undoubtedly most dedicated and beneficial towards the colonized people."?

Don't all rush now.

Japan established the bulk of Korea's modern infrastructure during the colonial period and in the postwar period has poured billions of dollars into developing the South Korean economy. In terms of imperialist powers dragged kicking and screaming from a former colony, Japan has been pretty reasonable in its approach to the Koreas.
Japan was certainly a more benevolent colonizer than most of the European imperial powers.

One of those "but think aboot all those nice things that Hitler did" I guess...

[Wage Slave]

Japan was certainly a more benevolent colonizer than most of the European imperial powers.

Was certainly a more benevolent colonizer? I'm not at all sure what metrics you are using to judge that and what data you rely on. To be frank it all seems a lot like two bald men arguing over a wig. Anyway, this seems like a reasonable summation of the issues:

Japanese colonial rule (1910-1945) was a deeply ambivalent experience for Koreans. On the one hand, Japanese colonialism was often quite harsh. For the first ten years Japan ruled directly through the military, and any Korean dissent was ruthlessly crushed. After a nationwide protest against Japanese colonialism that began on March 1, 1919, Japanese rule relaxed somewhat, allowing a limited degree of freedom of expression for Koreans.

Despite the often oppressive and heavy-handed rule of the Japanese authorities, many recognizably modern aspects of Korean society emerged or grew considerably during the 35-year period of colonial rule. These included rapid urban growth, the expansion of commerce, and forms of mass culture such as radio and cinema, which became widespread for the first time.

Industrial development also took place, partly encouraged by the Japanese colonial state, although primarily for the purposes of enriching Japan and fighting the wars in China and the Pacific rather than to benefit the Koreans themselves. Such uneven and distorted development left a mixed legacy for the peninsula after the colonial period ended.

By the time of the Japanese surrender in August 1945, Korea was the second-most industrialized nation in Asia after Japan itself.

But the wartime mobilization of 1937-45 had reintroduced harsh measures to Japanese colonial rule, as Koreans were forced to work in Japanese factories and were sent as soldiers to the front. Tens of thousands of young Korean women were drafted as “Comfort Women” - in effect, sexual slaves - for Japanese soldiers.
In 1939, Koreans were even pressured by the colonial authorities to change their names to Japanese names, and more than 80 percent of the Koreans complied with the name-change ordinance.

http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/main_pop/kpct/kp_koreaimperialism.htm

As noted earlier Japanese colonisation, in all but name, began earlier, at least as early as 1876, with the Japan-Korea Treaty signed that year giving Japanese citizens and businessmen extra-territorial rights among other things.

Clearly Japanese colonisation was not as bad as say, Belgian rule in the Congo. But that doesn't really do much for the case, does it? Further than that I remain to be convinced. On what basis is this judged, "The most benevolent form of colonisation in history"?

[Takechanpoo]

comparing to the european colonizations, the most different point about j-colonizations is that imp japan at least treated the natives as individuals(of course it abused and bullied them so much as "inferior" individuals, though) while the europeans PURELY treated the natives as objects or materials to exploit. its the reason why imp japan built many schools for the natives and educated them from the beginning of the colonization unlike the coldheartedly ruthless europeans which were not interested in giving the natives education.
and also its the reason todays taiwan and korea are economically independent while the ex-european colonies still remain to be in the slavish relationship with their ex-colonizers.
this point cannot be too emphasized. hell yea

[jingai]

I don't think that characterization is right or maybe just too simple. The Europeans also claimed they were there on a civilizing mission and established schools, churches, built infrastructure, etc. Japan's imperial reign was short and I don't think Japan was in any position to keep working with its former colonies post 1945 and the US stepped in as patron as part of an anti-communist mission, which might account for some differences.

[matsuki]

comparing to the european colonizations, the most different point about j-colonizations is that imp japan at least treated the natives as individuals(of course it abused and bullied them so much as "inferior" individuals, though) while the europeans PURELY treated the natives as objects or materials to exploit. its the reason why imp japan built many schools for the natives and educated them from the beginning of the colonization unlike the coldheartedly ruthless europeans which were not interested in giving the natives education.
and also its the reason todays taiwan and korea are economically independent while the ex-european colonies still remain to be in the slavish relationship with their ex-colonizers.
this point cannot be too emphasized. hell yea

What were you saying about not talking about that which you are not versed in?





Same shit, different shade of brown...education which pushed the adoption of colonizers language, names, etc. At least when some of these natives joined their colonizers in war, it wasn't by force.

Why you feel the need to sweeten the crock of shit that is Japan's colonial history is beyond me. Regardless of which country has a sweeter brew, it's still a steaming bowl of shit.

[Takechanpoo]

european ex-colonizsers are super lucky that unlike korean their ex-colonized peoples never have purposely ignored the positive aspects of the colonization and made a patchwork gathering only the negative aspects and propagate it all over the world, taking advantage of the fact that the world peoples dont have enough interest to learn deep knowledge about the colonization and tend to naively believe it without verification.
and another lucky thing for them is that the ex-majors except japan, even germany, has been exempt from officially apologize for and compensate their atrocities in the colonizations. for some reason, only japan has been required to apologize for and compensate not only the evil deeds in ww2 but also the colonization while the other ex-majors including germany has been exempt from it.
anyone can explain why only japan need to apologize for and compensate even the colonization???
thank you

[Mike Oxlong]

Japan’s colonial rule of Korea was ‘moderate’

[wagyl]

Japan’s colonial rule of Korea was ‘moderate’

by a gentleman whose resume gives him as much authoritative weight on that subject matter as SDH. Not zero, but by the same token, not any more than you or I.

[Mike Oxlong]

Indiana Jones was not available. So solly.

[legion]

Why you feel the need to sweeten the crock of shit that is Japan's colonial history is beyond me. Regardless of which country has a sweeter brew, it's still a steaming bowl of shit.

If you'll allow me to slightly rewrite

Why you feel the need to sweeten the crock of shit that is colonial history is beyond me. Regardless of which country has a sweeter brew, it's still a steaming bowl of shit.

Someone needs to carve that in stone and put it on a plinth in Parliament Square

[Wage Slave]

Why you feel the need to sweeten the crock of shit that is Japan's colonial history is beyond me. Regardless of which country has a sweeter brew, it's still a steaming bowl of shit.

If you'll allow me to slightly rewrite

Why you feel the need to sweeten the crock of shit that is colonial history is beyond me. Regardless of which country has a sweeter brew, it's still a steaming bowl of shit.

Someone needs to carve that in stone and put it on a plinth in Parliament Square

I'd have no issue with that. I'd happily do a few other things as well - including making apologies and making reparations where appropriate. The Koh-i-Noor diamond would seem a classic example. It's not only Japan who should do that, but that fact does not get Japan off the hook.

Reading some of Mr Sato's other work doesn't impress very much. Yet another member/camp follower of the imperial Japanese establishment who feels that their families and family associates were the true victims of the entire fiasco. His piece on Japan's Martyrs was particularly telling. The martyrs apparently were the kamikaze pilots and more significantly all the men executed by the allies after the war. Never mind at all that these men murdered millions without a care in the world. They were the real victims and, quelle horreur, a couple of hundred were executed in Singapore by the British and he feels their trials weren't as long and as scrupulous as they could have been. The extent of their crimes and the weight of the evidence against them doesn't even rate a mention. How many Singaporeans and allied POW's perished in very cruel ways in Singapore thanks to these men? But no, they were the real victims.

That's the bit of this argument I take issue with. The attempt to portray imperial Japan as the true victim of Korean colonisation and all that followed.

[Takechanpoo]

I'd have no issue with that. I'd happily.....

blah blah blah..

The attempt to portray imperial Japan as the true victim of Korean colonisation and all that followed.

this guys brain really likes to leap onto an extreme.

[Coligny]

I'd have no issue with that. I'd happily.....

blah blah blah..

The attempt to portray imperial Japan as the true victim of Korean colonisation and all that followed.

this guys brain really likes to leap onto an extreme.

The same way yours like to be marinating in liquid shit...

[Takechanpoo]

The map error also highlighted ongoing disputes between Seoul and Tokyo. The two nations have long been at odds over Japan's wartime aggression, particularly the use of “comfort women” before and during World War II, an issue that still a source of diplomatic tensions between the nations. There are territorial disputes, too: Japan wants South Korea to stop referring to the body of water between the two countries as the East Sea and instead refer to it as the Sea of Japan, while both sides claim a set of remote islands in these waters called Dokdo by South Korea and Takeshima by Japan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 25392ae14c

what the fuck on earth is that japans wartime aggression to k-peninsula??? huh?
and the island and the name of the sea are unilateral claims made up for their domestic political reasons by k-side.
its unbelievable that a guy who dont even have accurate knowledge about such basic historical things about post-war east asia writes a report on such a influencial paper.

[Takechanpoo]

"is aikido japans martial arts? people who know the truth wont say that"
http://japanese.joins.com/article/734/234734.html

as always, korean distort and fabricate the origin of aikido(hapkido in korean side, which just replace the reading way of the kanji 合気道 by hangul style) and claim its theirs.
(the way of naming, something-do(道, road), is apparently japanese-style and so are the uniform and the katas)
furthermore, they even insist with a thick face that who tell a lie is not them but japan side, as always.
and unfortunately, some westerners(especially recent k-pop/drama fans) naively believe their claim without verification.

[Russell]

"is aikido japans martial arts? people who know the truth wont say that"
http://japanese.joins.com/article/734/234734.html

as always, korean distort and fabricate the origin of aikido(hapkido in korean side, which just replace the reading way of the kanji 合気道 by hangul style) and claim its theirs.
(the way of naming, something-do(道, road), is apparently japanese-style and so are the uniform and the katas)
furthermore, they even insist with a thick face that who tell a lie is not them but japan side, as always.
and unfortunately, some westerners(especially recent k-pop/drama fans) naively believe their claim without verification.

Who cares?

[Coligny]

The asswipe who posted the article... might help him forget his korean whore of a mother...

[Takechanpoo]

smart people would realize this and other similar cases represent the typical korean thinking pattern.

[Russell]

smart people would realize this and other similar cases represent the typical korean thinking pattern.

For someone who claims to have studied philosophy you are remarkably narrow minded...

[Takechanpoo]

http://www.etnews.com/20171028000010?mc=ev_001_00004

its a big irony that its almost only korean ,who were NOT the direct victims of the j-aggression in ww2, protest the rising sun flag most. on the other hand, the people who were legitimately the direct victims of j-aggression are not so much interested in protesting the flag or the flag-like design being used anywhere in the world.

[Taka-Okami]

Maybe. The grave of my Uncle in Borneo killed by the Japanese on the death march has not made me hate Japanese people. Anecdotal I know...War is War, shit things happened, it was a long time ago. I think everyone's pretty much dead from that era anyway? So why care about it anymore, no apology needed.

Looking at the translated article, it says something about "taking over the whole world'. I dont think so. USA cut off oil supplies so they had to go for Indo oil fields among other places. Moreover, Japan was doing nothing the Western powers weren't doing already. They just didn't want the Yellow Man to take some of the action. As usual the winner writes the history.

[matsuki]

Darvish will be luck to survive the local disgruntled fans after his performance in the world series. He was pretty terrible....

[wangta]

Maybe. The grave of my Uncle in Borneo killed by the Japanese on the death march has not made me hate Japanese people. Anecdotal I know...War is War, shit things happened, it was a long time ago. I think everyone's pretty much dead from that era anyway? So why care about it anymore, no apology needed.

Looking at the translated article, it says something about "taking over the whole world'. I dont think so. USA cut off oil supplies so they had to go for Indo oil fields among other places. Moreover, Japan was doing nothing the Western powers weren't doing already. They just didn't want the Yellow Man to take some of the action. As usual the winner writes the history.

I broadly agree with you mate and I think that generations who had nothing to do with the perpetrators of agressive actions, war, etc should not be blamed for previous generations that did. However, that's different from the constant Jp iiwake of 'No, we weren't like the Nazis/Germans. We were completely different.' This is propaganda, this is bullshit.

Your point about resources is broadly true but other empires like that of the British were built up over a few hundred years. The Japanese did their empire building in a period that was about 50 years, but seized countries and resources in fast, brutal attacks - and I aint saying the British/Europeans weren't brutal as well. But the Japanese version can be judged for its brutality very clearly as the takeover of Korea, for example, including the sudden assassination of the Empress in her palace.

The outrages against the Korean civilian population are well documented like photos of Korean girls being dragged by their hair from peaceful pro-independence protests in the street. The Japanese colonizers had little notion of some respect for civilians including women, teenagers, and children. The invasion of Manchuria in China was littered with the corpses of Chinese people, many of them civilians. And of course there is Nanjing - the only thing that is in dispute is the numbers.

Everytime I hear another Japanese zombie who claims to be educated telling me that Japan was different from the Nazis tempts me to gather together the documented and available testimonies of survivors from hospitals in Singapore where Japanese troops burst in and massacred patients on operating tables, doctors, nurses and other staff. Pure evil.

Malaysia, Burma, Singapore and other colonized countries had their own verified accounts of Japanese atrocities. I don't show the Japanese this evidence. I'm an English teacher, not a history teacher. If they want to be ignorant, let them. You can't fix stupid unless stupid shows some willingness to learn.

The Sikh soldiers who fought in the British army during WW2 knew of fucking evil shit that happened on islands like the cannibalism of POWs. They testified after WW2. This was not Japanese military policy but every evil piece of scum who ordered the POWs to be killed and then helped themselves to their flesh because of lack of food supplies, should have been hung by their heels in a remote area full of wild animals until they died.

The Allies did not pursue this as they had too much to already pursue. There are credible accounts by Sikh survivors of that time -I think the POWS who were cannibalised were not Sikh. And Unit 731 - straight out of Dr Mengele's playbook. But for some reason, Asian and other victims of Unit 731 aren't as important apparently as the Jewish victims of Mengele.

The facts above are just the tip of the iceberg. There are reasons that the Nazi and Japanese birds flocked together.

[wangta]

http://www.etnews.com/20171028000010?mc=ev_001_00004

its a big irony that its almost only korean ,who were NOT the direct victims of the j-aggression in ww2, protest the rising sun flag most. on the other hand, the people who were legitimately the direct victims of j-aggression are not so much interested in protesting the flag or the flag-like design being used anywhere in the world.

Darvish looks like an assclown literally - hawking his arse under the pretext of proudly showing off the Japanese War flag. Sorry Yu, but you're half Iranian. You're not Japanese to the Japanese - only when they want to claim credit for something then you're Japanese. Like they claimed the British Japanese writer who actually has had words for Japan regarding its militarism and dark history. Note that wasn't reported in the Japanese media - only his success.

And yeah, I can't stand fuckwit racists making gestures and saying shit but I always laugh when the Japanese get their fundoshi/knickers in a knot and convince themselves that they are not racist, and that racist structures and their endorsement by the authorities are nowhere near as bad as a slitty eyed gesture.

The use of kuronbo and shironbo I hear around Tokyo are racist expressions - but of course please understand our Japanese culture. We are special.

[Wage Slave]

Maybe. The grave of my Uncle in Borneo killed by the Japanese on the death march has not made me hate Japanese people. Anecdotal I know...War is War, shit things happened, it was a long time ago. I think everyone's pretty much dead from that era anyway? So why care about it anymore, no apology needed.

Looking at the translated article, it says something about "taking over the whole world'. I dont think so. USA cut off oil supplies so they had to go for Indo oil fields among other places. Moreover, Japan was doing nothing the Western powers weren't doing already. They just didn't want the Yellow Man to take some of the action. As usual the winner writes the history.

I broadly agree with you mate and I think that generations who had nothing to do with the perpetrators of agressive actions, war, etc should not be blamed for previous generations that did. However, that's different from the constant Jp iiwake of 'No, we weren't like the Nazis/Germans. We were completely different.' This is propaganda, this is bullshit.

Your point about resources is broadly true but other empires like that of the British were built up over a few hundred years. The Japanese did their empire building in a period that was about 50 years, but seized countries and resources in fast, brutal attacks - and I aint saying the British/Europeans weren't brutal as well. But the Japanese version can be judged for its brutality very clearly as the takeover of Korea, for example, including the sudden assassination of the Empress in her palace.

The outrages against the Korean civilian population are well documented like photos of Korean girls being dragged by their hair from peaceful pro-independence protests in the street. The Japanese colonizers had little notion of some respect for civilians including women, teenagers, and children. The invasion of Manchuria in China was littered with the corpses of Chinese people, many of them civilians. And of course there is Nanjing - the only thing that is in dispute is the numbers.

Everytime I hear another Japanese zombie who claims to be educated telling me that Japan was different from the Nazis tempts me to gather together the documented and available testimonies of survivors from hospitals in Singapore where Japanese troops burst in and massacred patients on operating tables, doctors, nurses and other staff. Pure evil.

Malaysia, Burma, Singapore and other colonized countries had their own verified accounts of Japanese atrocities. I don't show the Japanese this evidence. I'm an English teacher, not a history teacher. If they want to be ignorant, let them. You can't fix stupid unless stupid shows some willingness to learn.

The Sikh soldiers who fought in the British army during WW2 knew of fucking evil shit that happened on islands like the cannibalism of POWs. They testified after WW2. This was not Japanese military policy but every evil piece of scum who ordered the POWs to be killed and then helped themselves to their flesh because of lack of food supplies, should have been hung by their heels in a remote area full of wild animals until they died.

The Allies did not pursue this as they had too much to already pursue. There are credible accounts by Sikh survivors of that time -I think the POWS who were cannibalised were not Sikh. And Unit 731 - straight out of Dr Mengele's playbook. But for some reason, Asian and other victims of Unit 731 aren't as important apparently as the Jewish victims of Mengele.

The facts above are just the tip of the iceberg. There are reasons that the Nazi and Japanese birds flocked together.

Yes. Exactly - why do we have to keep repeating it? The only thing I would add is that I think everyone should also recognise the enormous suffering imposed on the Japanese people as well. That suffering was extreme and it was not imposed by the allies but by the Japanese regime on its own people. From conscription and abuse to refusing to heed the Potsdam Declaration Tojo and crew committed crime against their own people. Just read some of the POW/soldiers' accounts to realise how little the military command cared about their own soldiers when they were facing impossible odds or got injured. They were utterly disposable too.

[Takechanpoo]

I broadly agree with you mate and I think that generations who had nothing to do with the perpetrators of agressive actions, war, etc should not be blamed for previous generations that did. However, that's different from the constant Jp iiwake of 'No, we weren't like the Nazis/Germans. We were completely different.' This is propaganda, this is bullshit.


The Sikh soldiers who fought in the British army during WW2 knew of fucking evil shit that happened on islands like the cannibalism of POWs. They testified after WW2. This was not Japanese military policy but every evil piece of scum who ordered the POWs to be killed and then helped themselves to their flesh because of lack of food supplies, should have been hung by their heels in a remote area full of wild animals until they died.

The Allies did not pursue this as they had too much to already pursue. There are credible accounts by Sikh survivors of that time -I think the POWS who were cannibalised were not Sikh. And Unit 731 - straight out of Dr Mengele's playbook. But for some reason, Asian and other victims of Unit 731 aren't as important apparently as the Jewish victims of Mengele.

about 60% of the cause of death of j-soldiers in ww2 is starvation, not death in battle. especially the southern front was more terrible becasue the imperial j-army lacked the logistics system itself, surprisingly . this is the reason why the canibalism happened among j-soldiers. although some superstitious guys still want to put the reason down to japanese so-called "natural-born deep-rooted cruelty", its wrong, needless to say. they cannibaled the natives, allied soldiers and even other j-soldiers just because they wanted to survive and go home alive. most of them were not only perpetrators but also victims by their own government.

The facts above are just the tip of the iceberg. There are reasons that the Nazi and Japanese birds flocked together.

its totally useless no matter how many j-atrocities you enumerate. the holocaust was to exterminate the whole of specific categories of people, jewish, gypsy and retards. j-empire had never ever done the same kind of things. holocaust is entirely at another level.
and if nazi didnt commit the holocaust, they would have been not so much remorseful as they actually have been.

[Taka-Okami]

I recently read a book on Hirohito and it's completely incorrect that he was coerced by Tojo etal. His actions clearly showed full knowledge, willingness to fight and also a complete lack of empathy to his enemies and even his own people and soldiers. This is typical of all elites in every country, they dont care about the commoners.

[TennoChinko]

The Koreans got their chief comfort woman activist LEE Yong-soo to greet Trump at last night's state dinner.
Most articles indicated they shook hands but the news footage shows she reached out to embrace him which he awkwardly received. I half-expected the CNN headlines to proclaim "TRUMP MOLESTS KOREAN PROSTITUTE!"

But here is the strange thing ... in this December 28 2015 NY TIMES photo essay

The New York Times Korea’s Comfort Women: The Fight to Be Heard
https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2015/ ... -HDSJ.html

we have,

Lee Yong-soo, 67, said she went to Japan looking for work when she was 16 but ended up in Taiwan. Her first sexual experience was being raped aboard the ship on her way to Taiwan. Once there, she said, she was tortured when she at first refused to have sex with a Japanese soldier.
CreditYunghi Kim/Contact Press Images

That would make it impossible for Lee Yong-soo to have been a so-called comfort woman during WW II...she would have been born 3 years after WWII had ended.

Screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/GEL4i1n.jpg

[Taro Toporific]

@justinmccurry
Japanese TV exercised over Trump’s 反日 lunch of Dokdo shrimp during visit to South Korea.

Dokdo-SPRIMP.jpg

2:58 PM - 8 Nov 2017

[Mike Oxlong]

South Korea wants to impress guest Donald Trump with
beef and gravy made from ‘exquisite’ 360-year-old soy sauce
South Korea’s presidential office has been stressed about competing with the ‘customised meals’ that Trump got in Japan

What do you feed an American president who famously likes his steak well done and served with ketchup? That’s the problem vexing chefs in Asia this week as Fuckface Von Clownstick travels through the region.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia ... est-donald