online/fake degrees

[bongomania]

Im really interested in going to japan to teach for a year or so but I only have an AA degree at this point. Do you think I can "fool" immigration with one of these? Anyone have info about these? are they legal? Will they serve my purpose? Thanks!

http://www.affordabledegrees.com/index.htm

[Caustic Saint]

You're not planning on running for government office, are you?

[bongomania]

hehehe...really quite funny there caustic

but...

advice please

[Taro Toporific]

hehehe...really quite funny there caustic
but...
advice please

"Replacement degrees"... that is, perfect copies sold in Thailand/China/Pakistan "only as a replacement" for your Harvard degree have worked in the recent past for gaijin. Very oddly, Immigration never asks or wants a certified copy of your college transcript---only the "real sheepskin."

Totally bogus colleges, such as this one at AffordableDegrees worked with Immigration 10 years ago, but I hear they now have a Black List for such fake schools.

If money is no object, buying a religious college degree ($4,000-20,000) from a Southern and Mid-West bible college is possible. But hey, don't expect me to tell you how this done.

Bottom Line: As important as your degree, is that your employer must vouch for you at Immigration. If your employer really wants you, Immigration will not examine your degree closely.

[devicenull]

willing to risk being found out? it would most likely kill any future you have there. why not just do a study abroad there instead and tutor in the time you are allowed to work or whatever? if the only thing you are interested in is easy money, go teach in taiwan, living expenses are next to nothing, and you can join the society of english teachers in taibei who think that teaching english in taiwan is some great secret that no one knows about.

[American Oyaji]

hehehe...really quite funny there caustic

but...

advice please

He was actually referring to a case in the Japanese media where a Lawmaker has been caught out for fibbing about his degree.

[Alcazar]

I know, how about you do real study like everyone else you lazy cocksucker?

[Caustic Saint]

I know, how about you do real study like everyone else you lazy cocksucker?

I don't remember Bongomania saying he played baseball.

[bongomania]

ya...im way too busy playin pocket pool

[Taro Toporific]

ya...im way too busy playin pocket pool

Pocket pool is the National Sport, so you're gonna fit right in here. :P

As for your degree question, read these old threads:

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1720&highlight=degrees

http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3700&highlight=degrees

[kamome]

I know, how about you do real study like everyone else you lazy cocksucker?

Damn, Alki, where did this come from?

[canman]

Man you are on a roll. Keep up the jokes. Very timely. By the way does immigration even really look at your degree if a company vouches for you. I thought that if you can find an empoyer to take you on, it was almost a sure thing to get a visa.

[Taro Toporific]

... does immigration even really look at your degree if a company vouches for you. I thought that if you can find an empoyer to take you on, it was almost a sure thing to get a visa.

The bigger the company and the straighter the job, the less Immigration looks. Conversely, a smaller/newer/trouble-ridden English schools get examined more carefully.

EXAMPLE: I've got a friend in a Japanese newspaper who made a Frankestein-xerox based on a couple of my degrees. Neither Immigration nor the newspaper said a word about his degree from "Shakespeare University" because his writing samples and newsclips were hot sheee-it and he's very talented.

[Alcazar]

I know, how about you do real study like everyone else you lazy cocksucker?

Damn, Alki, where did this come from?

It is not fair if some people are dishonest and just buy a fake degree. They can displace someone in regards to finding work who has worked hard for years. People go through deprivations in their personal lives to do their study, and it is not fair if someone else steals their job through dishonesty.

[kamome]

I know, how about you do real study like everyone else you lazy cocksucker?

Damn, Alki, where did this come from?

It is not fair if some people are dishonest and just buy a fake degree. They can displace someone in regards to finding work who has worked hard for years. People go through deprivations in their personal lives to do their study, and it is not fair if someone else steals their job through dishonesty.

I understand where you're coming from, but what kind of job do you think this guy is going to steal? He just wants to work as an English teacher for a year. It's not like he's taking a lucrative job opportunity away from a highly educated guy with an advanced degree. Yeah, it is dishonest, but my reaction was to laugh, not to call him a "cocksucker".

[American Oyaji]

I know, how about you do real study like everyone else you lazy cocksucker?

Damn, Alki, where did this come from?

It is not fair if some people are dishonest and just buy a fake degree. They can displace someone in regards to finding work who has worked hard for years. People go through deprivations in their personal lives to do their study, and it is not fair if someone else steals their job through dishonesty.

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

[Alcazar]

I understand where you're coming from, but what kind of job do you think this guy is going to steal? He just wants to work as an English teacher for a year. It's not like he's taking a lucrative job opportunity away from a highly educated guy with an advanced degree. Yeah, it is dishonest, but my reaction was to laugh, not to call him a "cocksucker".

Well the sort of job he wants to get dishonestly is one I want to do for a while, and I did the time and effort for my degree/s. Initially I felt really angry at the idea.

But I do see your point which helped me put the situation in perspective-it is for eikaiwa, while I can also do my eikaiwa jaunt and then go on with my real career afterwards (with my real education). (My point being, eikaiwa is not my 'career', so I don't have to take it so seriously, a perspective that I overlooked earlier and got angry about.)

[kamome]

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

Good point there, AO. I have often heard of this practice as a form of affirmative action for wealthy folks.

[devicenull]

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

they actually have to put forth some effort to get there and pass their classes. And there is a higher expectation on them to succeed. As opposed to someone who cant handle higher education at even the most basic levels to get a simple undergrad degree. Simply put, if you cannot meet the requirements on your own merits, you do not deserve to reach the goal. boohoo, some people have more money than others and are afforded opportunities that others are not. life isnt fair, stop pretending it is supposed to be :P

[Mini_B]

It is not fair if some people are dishonest and just buy a fake degree. They can displace someone in regards to finding work who has worked hard for years. People go through deprivations in their personal lives to do their study, and it is not fair if someone else steals their job through dishonesty.

Boo Hoo. Having a peice of paper that says you graduated from some school doesn't mean jack shit. Skills are what matters. You either have 'em or you don't. Don't hate on people who make moves that you're too scared to make.

Besides, this guy is gonna get a job teaching English, dancing around in a classroom and singing the ABC's, making damn close to minimum wage. All the power to him and the UNI of Photoshop!!

[Caustic Saint]

It is not fair if some people are dishonest and just buy a fake degree. They can displace someone in regards to finding work who has worked hard for years. People go through deprivations in their personal lives to do their study, and it is not fair if someone else steals their job through dishonesty.

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

The difference is that the person in your example gets to be President of the United States.

[American Oyaji]

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

they actually have to put forth some effort to get there and pass their classes. And there is a higher expectation on them to succeed. As opposed to someone who cant handle higher education at even the most basic levels to get a simple undergrad degree. Simply put, if you cannot meet the requirements on your own merits, you do not deserve to reach the goal. boohoo, some people have more money than others and are afforded opportunities that others are not. life isnt fair, stop pretending it is supposed to be :P

Device null, I'm not saying they got IN do their families influence. I'm talking about they got a DEGREE to that same influence. To get in due to influence, I ain't mad a bit about that. (well, I am a bit, but anyway)
I'm talking about inept individuals who would not have graduated were it not due to the influence and money that their family held.

[American Oyaji]

It is not fair if some people are dishonest and just buy a fake degree. They can displace someone in regards to finding work who has worked hard for years. People go through deprivations in their personal lives to do their study, and it is not fair if someone else steals their job through dishonesty.

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

The difference is that the person in your example gets to be President of the United States.

SONO TOORI JA!!!!!!!

[kamome]

The difference is that the person in your example gets to be President of the United States.

Great observation, Caustic! Classic, and ironic.

[devicenull]

What's the difference between that and a child of privelege who gets a degree from Yale or Havard based on their family's contribution to that schools coffers?

they actually have to put forth some effort to get there and pass their classes. And there is a higher expectation on them to succeed. As opposed to someone who cant handle higher education at even the most basic levels to get a simple undergrad degree. Simply put, if you cannot meet the requirements on your own merits, you do not deserve to reach the goal. boohoo, some people have more money than others and are afforded opportunities that others are not. life isnt fair, stop pretending it is supposed to be :P

Device null, I'm not saying they got IN do their families influence. I'm talking about they got a DEGREE to that same influence. To get in due to influence, I ain't mad a bit about that. (well, I am a bit, but anyway)
I'm talking about inept individuals who would not have graduated were it not due to the influence and money that their family held.

sorry, i forgot that the world is fair for a moment there. again, their degrees serve more a social position than anything else... and they are expected to assume greater roles than an english teacher. surely you can contrive a better argument than that

[American Oyaji]

The difference is that the person in your example gets to be President of the United States.

Great observation, Caustic! Classic, and ironic.

Hey, the Pres was who I was talking about.

Caustic gets kudos for picking it up.

[Mennon]

I've got a degree, but I want to get a fake one to get my foot in the door of other industries other that Conversation Facilitation.
It looks like they're cracking down in the states, but does anyone know where I can still get one?

No lectures please.

[Taro Toporific]

I've got a degree, but I want to get a fake one to get my foot in the door of other industries...
No lectures please.

• The piece of paper with your name on it is available anywhere there's a laser printer. In the beach towns of Thailand very professional "replacement" degrees are available.
  
• The "universities" issuing "non-attendance" degrees ]The best scam I see happening now is sign up for an online/remote masters program at a big name university and then pay for "tutors" and research paper "assistance." I have a gaijin friend here who has an MBA in IT management that way. It has "only" cost him $20,000 for degree from a major US university. I keep telling him, it's useless for getting a job since he doesn't know anything, but he won't listen (and he hasn't got a job in Japan yet since "graduating" last December).

[emperor]

This is a rather recent phenomenon isnt it?
Its easy for employers to check up on stuff like that now and because theyre more aware of it & they probably check up more frequently.
Except, when someone has several legit degrees and throws in one or two bogus ones to beef up an already impressive resume? but I guess that wouldnt happen too often...
..and while technical qualifications medical, engineering etc would require actual study - there are plenty of disciplines where what you do in univ dosent really add up to much thats easily tested or demonstrated in a workplace - business, philosophy...

So, Ive been giving some thought to opening me up an ebay store specializing in highly specialized postgraduate qualifications...
Can I interest anyone in a Doctorate in Rocketry? Perfect for those wishing to land that dream-job in the growth sector that is Space Tourism. No reserve price!

I keep telling him, it's useless for getting a job since he doesn't know anything

My course is quite comprehensive - I include educational multimedia & theres a Powerpoint presentation which covers all the main points: Rockets go up, Rockets are fast, Rockets are cool...in Soviet Russia-rocket drives you! ...& in space nobody can hear you scream What could possibly go wrong?!

[sillygirl]

Kao Sahn Road, Bangkok. 100 dollars...