Why gaijins become like Japanese when you speak Japanese?

[Greji]

I find it hilarious when gaijins forget their own native language and start speaking Engrish or Fransu-go or whatever Japanized version of their own tongue.

You know I laugh at that too and all sorts of people have claimed it happened to them, but I really don't believe that a person can truly forget their native tongue.

I have had problems and I think it is a frequent one for long term FGs, where you get into the middle of saying a sentance and get hung-up in the language syndrome and can't figure out in what language to finish the sentance. However, this is not forgetting one's native language completely, it is just a momentary cross-up of your commo wiring (sometimes compound by the verb "pints", in its multiple usage).

[Mulboyne]

I really don't believe that a person can truly forget their native tongue.

I wrote a story here which I'll cut and paste to save you clicking the link]During the World Cup football a couple of years back, I was in Niigata for the England vs Denmark game. I got there early and planned to watch the Germany game on TV in a local bar. The nearest bar was packed so I thought about going to a different venue. Luckily, standing outside was a friendly Niigata-based Englishman who suggested we go to another bar away from the station. I was talking to him with my English mate, a much better Japanese speaker than me, and my mate's Japanese girlfriend, a fluent English speaker. The conversation went something like this:

"There's a much better bar not far from here, it's up the road...and...and its over the bridge and...er...on the right...and and," he looks at the Japanese girl "Nihongo dekimasu ka? Eto...Massugu itte..." then followed a Japanese version of up the road, across the bridge and on the right with, if anything, a bit more ambiguity. As the friendly Englishman subsequently explained, "Sorry guys, I've been here so long, I find it much easier to explain things in Japanese."

I defy anyone to come up with a better example of an FG in the field.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone loses their listening comprehension but it easy to find that your conversational vocabulary gets smaller if you don't use it with other native speakers regularly. That's no excuse for the Niigata FG, though.

[jingai]

I found that writing in English kept me sharp and from forgetting words.

[dimwit]

I have heard few FG's (mostly the ones who have come here for reasons other than English teaching or business) say this kind of thing before but I have always taken it as a form of linguistic snobbery and thus never taken such claims seriously. It seems to be a monumental admission of incompetence, similar to admitting you are illiterate.

[Greji]

similar to admitting you are illiterate.

Regardless of what you say, I will not confess to being, ahhh, irritelate, or whatever it is you are arredging.

Seriously, looking at Mulboyne's post on the Niigata FG, there are times when certain things can just be said easier and more concise in Nihongo. That part I would say is not really snobbish, but giving directions doesn't seem like one that should be that hard in English.

I wonder if he just wasn't hitting on Mulboyne's girl figuring they didn't understand the lingo?

[omae mona]

[Samurai_Jerk]

It is possible to forget your native language if you leave a place when you're young enough. It's also possible for adults to largely forget. But we're talking about decades of total immersion with zero exposure to ones own language. That'd be unlikely to happen to an English speaker in modern Japan.

[Bucky]

When I was in college in the US, I had a Japanese fellow as a roommate. He had picked up the annoying habit of saying "you know" about every other word. It got to the point that it was driving me out of my mind so I took to responding that "no, I don't know." After a while he got the message and avoiding conversing with me as he could not speak English without slipping into his "you know" pattern.

I also find Japanese that pick up the ". . . or something like that." I even use "or something like that" myself but try to avoid it.

I guess it is like FG's saying "e to" or "anno ne" or "anno . . ." in Japanese to bridge a gap until they can find the right word to say next.

[Greji]

I guess it is like FG's saying "e to" or "anno ne" or "anno . . ." in Japanese to bridge a gap until they can find the right word to say next.

But similarly, there are a lot of Japanese (primarily men, although some women also) who depend upon "sa...." to be their pause in speaking. It can sometimes get a bit overdone. Boku no bai wa sa.... sore wa sa... Ano...sa....etc. It can be the same with some women and "ne".

I suppose similar patterns of speech afflict all languages, but that doesn't make them any more pleasant to the ear.

But, as far as the question about losing your native language, I agree that you sometimes suffer a loss for the right vocabulary word when speaking, but I just do not see the total loss of the language because a person has been in a foreign country for an extended period.

I have been in J-land since Christ was a Corporal and still can use my native language. It is English, however, being a Yank, Mulboyne sometimes claims that my native language is in fact, a foreign language and that I really should study English.

[Mike Oxlong]

"Sa" is used dialectically in Okinawa. Some Japanese from the mainland clain that it sounds soothing...

[Bucky]

[Behan]

I think she means 1890 and not 1790. OK, I'm a tosser for being so nit picky.

The Immigration Act of 1924 was based on the census of 1890, according to Wikipedia anyway.

[Buraku]

Foreigners following their love of gardening in Japan
https://japantoday.com/category/feature ... g-in-japan

Japan to require masks, health insurance ahead of reopening to foreigners
https://www.laprensalatina.com/japan-to ... oreigners/

‘Invest in Kishida’? Japan Needs to Persuade Elon Musk First
https://www.livemint.com/opinion/elon-m ... 15506.html
Musk is something of a Japanophile — he got a Shiba inu puppy

[Taka-Okami]

Foreigners following their love of gardening in Japan
https://japantoday.com/category/feature ... g-in-japan

Japan to require masks, health insurance ahead of reopening to foreigners
https://www.laprensalatina.com/japan-to ... oreigners/

‘Invest in Kishida’? Japan Needs to Persuade Elon Musk First
https://www.livemint.com/opinion/elon-m ... 15506.html
Musk is something of a Japanophile — he got a Shiba inu puppy

Ewww. All gaijin scum should be killed or thrown out of Japan.

NEO-SAKOKU - YES

[Coligny]

When I see the impact of this fake pandemic in europe…

And the (mostly) lack of impact in japan… i just feel the need to STFu and take notes..

[matsuki]

When I see the impact of this fake pandemic in europe…

And the (mostly) lack of impact in japan… i just feel the need to STFu and take notes..

It pushed Japan to be progressive with remote work and all that....but don't be fooled into thinking Japan is above all the "look, we're doing something!" meaningless bullshit. They are still shutting down workplaces to "disinfect" everything when someone with the rona is reported. Day of lost work for pointless effort....my friend said it became such problem that the employees stopped reporting testing positive. The exact opposite of what you want to happen. (but yes, the lack of lockdowns was a good move)

[Coligny]

Ah ah, shut the fuck up, officially the covid debt accumulated by the french government will not be repaid before at least 2042. We’re not even finished to pretend to be threatened by covid, still have the monkey fuckerpox and the tomato flue to go through. With at least 10 cases in the country. So should at least burn all train station and blast major runways at airports… and I’m waiting for Pfizer shareholders and the pack of usual morons to request mandatory vaccination with untested prototype drugs while shouting “antivax” left and right because only 90% of the population was vaccinated. You could not get 90% of the french do anything even voting between tits and bigger tits even if you were handing out free samples.
One of those two disease seems to be a homosexual sodomite transmitted disease (according to virologists, not kurogane, and kinda rare). Which make it near harmless and baffling.
And you want to compare this to Conchita having to wipe some rubbing alcohol at the office ?

[matsuki]

And you want to compare this to Conchita having to wipe some rubbing alcohol at the office ?

I was agreeing with you? Just annoyed by all the pointless "we're doing something" efforts. China "disinfecting" whole cities as testing rocks for Covid

yes, the lack of lockdowns was a good move

[Coligny]

Standard protocol when dealing with norovirus in eateries no ? Plus you know how byzantine things are in this island.
The guy who know which form to fill with which color of ink at which cycle of the tide calendar to request for nullification of the protocols to deploy in case of a inpatient showing a positive PCR test is not born yet… it’s always a tie between “the 12 tasks of asterix” and “the shadoks”

Better keep pumping even if nothing happens than stopping and risking something to come out of it.
I coined the term “japintoks” as a mix between japanese and shadoks few years ago, but of course some cunt had to call it racist to make herself feel useful… those person are now called karens… but it was wayyyy back when Oussama was still on his decades long run of being the true hide and seek world champion.

Plus there is a margin between “lalalala all is fine nothing to worry aboot” and “SHUT DOWN EVERUTHING !!!”
Which was the exact evolution of the french governement policy during the first year. From one full retard to the other in few month only.

And… the Italians were seemingly happy when the Russians came to clean few villages with leftover bourda from the 86 Pripyat cleanup…