J-women who won't work

[kamome]

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[DJEB]

Forgive me if someone has said this already... Does this sound more than a little bit like a Marxist argument to anyone else?

Maybe they don't want to work because work sucks.... It sucks having a boss.... I'm sure most of you like to pretend your jobs are fulfilling and you there's a sense of satisfaction and achievement associated with a hard day's work or some other similar crap. And go on telling yourselves that bullshit if it makes you feel better about your enslavement.... These women have a very sane purpose]living to make a profit for the big corporate cock[/b].

I agree with the parts I've included above. Interesting that I gravitate to yet am rejected by the rest. Sometimes works sucks, sometimes I do it for free. Ultimately, I am enriching little "corporate cock" so I don't have much motivation to make work a more meaningful activity in my life. I'd be working harder if I had a say in management to the degree that the decisions made by management affected me.

[AssKissinger]

Does this sound more than a little bit like a Marxist argument to anyone else?

I'm not a Marxist. Those guys claim to have some kind of solution. I'm just a point out the problem kind of guy myself. Despite some of the things I dislike about life in a capitalist country I wouldn't trade it for anything else that's been tried on this planet so far. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend work doesn't suck. I do believe it's better than life in Maoist China, Russian gulags and starving North Korea, however.

My god! Excellent post!

Thanks, groovewonder.

[Captain Japan]

Japan, Inc. needs to change its view towards overtime (especially unpaid overtime), so fathers don't become strangers to the family.

Absolutely.. also the practice of transferring workers to different cities and not making allowances for the transfer of dependants and spouses.

But this sort of radical change will not happen top down, rather from bottom up. But I fear the individuals affected will not have to courage to negotiate their working terms and conditions. With a stronger economy it will be easier perhaps...

There is an engineer at my office who used to get messages like: "Next week you might go to Taiwan." This guy has a wife and baby on the way and now they are telling him he might be moving to Taiwan for two years for a job? Fucking joke. There's no management. These clowns don't have a damn clue what they are up to.

Then, mysteriously, the trip would get cancelled (you see, the trip status would change, week to week). Sometimes he'd hear he is going to Sri Lanka, and again it is only a maybe. It was a like a death watch. And management wouldn't even tell him face to face; the transfer would appear printed on his weekly schedule. Can you imagine being given one week notice that you are moving to another country?

The state of the economy doesn't mean anything. This sort of garbage has got a long way to go. The internal pressures between the employees are so great, good economy or bad. And because of that this likely won't get better for years.

An OL asked a bucho about why she couldn't have a raise for the year (in fact, she'd been getting salary cuts like everyone else for the past two or three) and the bucho said: "What do you need more money for?" These morons are just so hopelessly out of touch.

Meanwhile, our company's stock price is up about 80% in the last year and a half.

[cstaylor]

There's no management. These clowns don't have a damn clue what they are up to.

and the bucho said: "What do you need more money for?" These morons are just so hopelessly out of touch.

Meanwhile, our company's stock price is up about 80% in the last year and a half

Sounds like they have things well in hand: keep the employees guessing, stripping them of their paychecks, and lining the pockets of the stockholders. A few more years, and they'll look like the U.S.

[Alcazar]

There is an engineer at my office who used to get messages like: "Next week you might go to Taiwan." This guy has a wife and baby on the way and now they are telling him he might be moving to Taiwan for two years for a job?

Then, mysteriously, the trip would get cancelled (you see, the trip status would change, week to week). Sometimes he'd hear he is going to Sri Lanka, and again it is only a maybe. Can you imagine being given one week notice that you are moving to another country?

OMFG that is crazy.

However, if you detach yourself from the fact that it really happened, it would make a incredibly funny running joke within a film-each week this character is on the verge of getting sent to Taiwan, Canada, Somalia etc...and he has to get ready each time just in case...

'Next week you go........Somaria!'.
No reason given by an actual person or prep time provided, just a text order on a screen-'You Go!'.

[kamome]

It's 4AM, and I am getting rammed so hard up the ass by the corporate cock, I'm seeing stars.

[Captain Japan]

There's no management. These clowns don't have a damn clue what they are up to.

and the bucho said: "What do you need more money for?" These morons are just so hopelessly out of touch.

Meanwhile, our company's stock price is up about 80% in the last year and a half

Sounds like they have things well in hand: keep the employees guessing, stripping them of their paychecks, and lining the pockets of the stockholders. A few more years, and they'll look like the U.S.

I take it back. I just looked it up; we are up almost exactly 100% in the last year.

[Captain Japan]

There is an engineer at my office who used to get messages like: "Next week you might go to Taiwan." This guy has a wife and baby on the way and now they are telling him he might be moving to Taiwan for two years for a job?

Then, mysteriously, the trip would get cancelled (you see, the trip status would change, week to week). Sometimes he'd hear he is going to Sri Lanka, and again it is only a maybe. Can you imagine being given one week notice that you are moving to another country?

OMFG that is crazy.

'Next week you go........Somaria!'.
No reason given by an actual person or prep time provided, just a text order on a screen-'You Go!'.

The story has a somewhat happy ending. This guy, who has a wife and now a baby, found another job. But the kicker is that it was with an FG company. So our company told him there'd be no more funny business; he could stay here in Tokyo if he didn't change. So he turned down the FG company and stayed.

At the time, I told him to fuck this place and move on. But his wife figured the FG company was "risky" (even though his pay would have boosted 40% and he'd have real work with real responsibilities) simply because they are FG. He felt bad about it. But it was really his wife's decision in the end.

Workers are just imprisoned by this old thinking and internal pressure. It is getting frightening to keep watching.

[GomiGirl]

It's 4AM, and I am getting rammed so hard up the ass by the corporate cock, I'm seeing stars.

Go on Kamome - you love it, doncha big boy???

[DJEB]

Does this sound more than a little bit like a Marxist argument to anyone else?

I'm not a Marxist.

You don't strike me as one.

Those guys claim to have some kind of solution. I'm just a point out the problem kind of guy myself. Despite some of the things I dislike about life in a capitalist country I wouldn't trade it for anything else that's been tried on this planet so far. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend work doesn't suck. I do believe it's better than life in Maoist China, Russian gulags and starving North Korea, however.

A good call. I wouldn't want to move to those places either. But that argument is one of the great false dichotomies of the modern world. State capitalism or state socialism. Neither please. There have been attempts at other systems; but if there is one thing capitalists and communists can agree on, it's that attempts at libertarian socialism need to be crushed in their infancy.

That being said, there are alternatives on offer - but on such a small scale that I'd be surprised if you've heard of them. I'd thought of starting up such a participatory workplace here in Tokyo, but I've decided to head home instead...

[kamome]

It's 4AM, and I am getting rammed so hard up the ass by the corporate cock, I'm seeing stars.

Go on Kamome - you love it, doncha big boy???

With plenty of lube (beer), it's not so bad, actually.

[devicenull]

Japan, Inc. needs to change its view towards overtime (especially unpaid overtime), so fathers don't become strangers to the family.

Absolutely.. also the practice of transferring workers to different cities and not making allowances for the transfer of dependants and spouses.

But this sort of radical change will not happen top down, rather from bottom up. But I fear the individuals affected will not have to courage to negotiate their working terms and conditions. With a stronger economy it will be easier perhaps...

There is an engineer at my office who used to get messages like: "Next week you might go to Taiwan." This guy has a wife and baby on the way and now they are telling him he might be moving to Taiwan for two years for a job? Fucking joke. There's no management. These clowns don't have a damn clue what they are up to.

Then, mysteriously, the trip would get cancelled (you see, the trip status would change, week to week). Sometimes he'd hear he is going to Sri Lanka, and again it is only a maybe. It was a like a death watch. And management wouldn't even tell him face to face]

taiwan is cheap though....

[jez]

I'd thought of starting up such a participatory workplace here in Tokyo, but I've decided to head home instead...

Traitor! Well, kind of...

[AssKissinger]

Study shows that people actually enjoy working for money.

Link

He said that other studies have shown "there's substantial evidence that people who win the lottery are not happier a year after they win the lottery. It's also fairly clear from the psychological literature that people get a great deal of satisfaction out of the work they do."

My brain must be wired incorrectly cause work just chaps my ass.

[ttjereth]

[quote="AssKissinger"]Maybe they don't want to work because work sucks. It sucks having to wake up in the morning. It sucks seeing the same people everyday. It sucks having a boss. It sucks having to do things you don't feel like doing. Only an idiot would choose to work if there was some way around it. I'm sure most of you like to pretend your jobs are fulfilling and you there's a sense of satisfaction and achievement associated with a hard day's work or some other similar crap. And go on telling yourselves that bullshit if it makes you feel better about your enslavement. But spare me this work provides a sense a purpose crap. These women have no purpose because they don't want to work? Ha! It's people who spend most of their time doing and thinking about their jobs that have no purpose. These women have a very sane purpose]


AMEN!

I hear the whole "even if I was rich I would keep working" crap all the time. I wouldn't. I like my job, it's interesting and even fun sometimes, but give me enough money to not have to do it and I will be one happy unemployed !

[ttjereth]

My house was cleaner when I was single than it has ever been since I have gotten married.

When I was single I worked slightly less hours, made more money, and did all my own cleaning and cooking and my house never ended up a pigsty.

My wife was raised by her wealthy parents in the bubble and didnt know how to use a washer and dryer before marrying me.

I can understand the lines about working a fullfilling job and not wanting to wash the same floor every week and not be appreciated for it. The problem is that a lot of guys jobs are pretty much the same as (or even literally) washing the same floor every week and not being appreciated for it, and in a situation where the guy has to bust his ass doing a job he hates in order to support his family, I don't think that expecting a wife to handle the house-hold side of things (not talking about child-rearing, just housework) is all that horrible a demand.

My wife liked to complain a ton about how hard housework was, and how much more work she did than me, and how she never had a day off etc. Funny thing is when I offered to let her work full time and I would switch to a part time job and I would do ALL the housework she didn't like that idea very much either.

I don't think saying women don't work because they are lazy, or working at home is tougher than working a regular job etc. is really fair. Different people are in different situations. I worked a job I hated for a year and a half after moving to Tokyo, and I would definately prefer being a full-time house husband while working a part-time convience store job etc. rather than have to return to that situation.

Working a job you hate sucks. Doesnt matter if it's inside the home or not, it sucks, but if one half of the relationship is gonna bust their ass doing something they hate to put food on the table the other half had damn well better be ready to pick up the slack at home or get a job to pay for a maid etc. Doesn't matter if it's the man or the woman who's the "bread-winner".

[ttjereth]

There are studies that even when both parents are working, it is still the females who end up doing more work around the house. I think the value of housework is completely unappreciated by most people. As I mentioned, I couldn't do it... I hate housework and don't feel that it should be expected. Sure it needs to be done, but not by me.

Yeah, I can understand that. Rie and I both work, but I probably only pull 40% of the load at best.[/quote]

I think part of this is a difference in standards as well. MOST guys I know don't tend to get to bothered if say the living room is vacuumed once a week. Alot of Japanese females I know are almost obsessive-compulsive about it.

[ttjereth]

Study shows that people actually enjoy working for money.

Link

He said that other studies have shown "there's substantial evidence that people who win the lottery are not happier a year after they win the lottery. It's also fairly clear from the psychological literature that people get a great deal of satisfaction out of the work they do."

My brain must be wired incorrectly cause work just chaps my ass.

I imagine those people who win the lottery and are not happy are just stupid.

Money may not buy happiness but it sure does fend off a lot of unhappiness.