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Japan gets tough on visa violators

Postby SF'd Gaijin » Tue May 11, 2004 9:47 am

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Japan gets tough on visa violators

This appeared on the front page of today's San Francisco Chronicle:

1-day overstay can bring time in cell, 5-year banishment
by Catherine Makino, Chronicle Foreign Service

"Tokyo - When Bay Area students Angela Luna and Richard Nishizawa tried to board a plane bound for San Francisco in March, airport authorities threw them in a small holding cell and held them incommunicado for several days before banishing them from Japan for five years.

Luna and Nishizawa, who had studied Japanese for a year at Reitaku University about 20 miles northeast of Tokyo, were not arrested for committing a serious crime. They had merely stayed in the country two weeks longer than their visas permitted.

"We had valid 5-year visas, so we didn't bother to look at our immigration stamps," Luna, 27, said by telephone from her home in Lafayette. "The guards made me change my clothes because they had drawstrings. They thought I might use it as a weapon, or strangle someone. We were treated like criminals."

Nishizawa, 31 who lives in Martinez, says he was handcuffed, strip searched, placed in a 20-by-20 foot cell with four other foreigners and given a mat to sleep on.

The Justice Ministry argues that the crackdown is warranted because some 220,000 foreigners violated their visas last year....Tatsuro Kitazono, an immigration officer in Tokyo, says the crackdown is linked to a 17 percent jump in crime by foreigners in the past year. In 2003, police say foreigners committed 40,615 criminal acts - mostly theft, fraud and forgery...."

Be careful out there.

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Postby DJEB » Tue May 11, 2004 11:08 am

http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/jpn-summary-eng

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/asa/japan!Open

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webasacountries/JAPAN?OpenDocument
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Postby stuckinkysuhu » Tue May 11, 2004 11:33 am

I know this sounds like a bandaid solution but how about not overstaying your visa?
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Postby GomiGirl » Tue May 11, 2004 12:11 pm

Honestly.. the crims are the ones without visas..

why the authorities give people a hard time when they front up to immigration is beyond me. The people at immigration waiting in the endless lines in that horrid building have nothing to hide and are not going to be the ones that they are looking for.. but I suppose we are all tarred with the same brush. :cry:
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Postby Andocrates » Tue May 11, 2004 12:32 pm

There is just no excuse for such blatant small-mindedness. And this amidst a "tourism thrust?" America should retaliate viciously.
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Postby NeoNecroNomiCron » Tue May 11, 2004 12:49 pm

GomiGirl wrote:Honestly.. the crims are the ones without visas..

why the authorities give people a hard time when they front up to immigration is beyond me. The people at immigration waiting in the endless lines in that horrid building have nothing to hide and are not going to be the ones that they are looking for.. but I suppose we are all tarred with the same brush. :cry:


Can you tell me where the horrid building is please? I will have to go there in the next few days hoping I can extend my visa to a holiday one. Are they open on saturday? Do you want to come with me to hold my hand? I hate forms.
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Postby Steve Bildermann » Tue May 11, 2004 1:33 pm

America should retaliate viciously


:arrow: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/editorial/editorial_0333.xml

:arrow: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2974882.stm

:arrow: http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-1/435/435_02_Detentions.shtml
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Postby kamome » Tue May 11, 2004 2:01 pm

DJEB wrote:http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/jpn-summary-eng

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/asa/japan!Open

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webasacountries/JAPAN?OpenDocument


Steve Bildermann wrote: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/editorial/editorial_0333.xml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2974882.stm

http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-1/435/435_02_Detentions.shtml


Could you guys add at least a little text explaining what you are linking to? Some people may not want to click a blind link. Thanks.
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Postby NeoNecroNomiCron » Tue May 11, 2004 2:07 pm

kamome wrote:
DJEB wrote:http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/jpn-summary-eng

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2002.nsf/asa/japan!Open

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webasacountries/JAPAN?OpenDocument


Steve Bildermann wrote: http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/editorial/editorial_0333.xml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2974882.stm

http://www.socialistworker.org/2003-1/435/435_02_Detentions.shtml


Could you guys add at least a little text explaining what you are linking to? Some people may not want to click a blind link. Thanks.


I agree somethime you get people who post a whole article and dont link to then. Then you get the oposite. lol. Anyway. the BBC sites are safe enough. I dont fancy going to the amnesty site[as they will try to recruite me[I dont need that card in my wallet going to China/North Korea!]] the socialistworker is probably full of banner links to amazon advertising the communist manifesto.[Read it already] :P
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Postby GomiGirl » Tue May 11, 2004 2:28 pm

NeoNecroNomiCron wrote:
GomiGirl wrote:Honestly.. the crims are the ones without visas..

why the authorities give people a hard time when they front up to immigration is beyond me. The people at immigration waiting in the endless lines in that horrid building have nothing to hide and are not going to be the ones that they are looking for.. but I suppose we are all tarred with the same brush. :cry:


Can you tell me where the horrid building is please? I will have to go there in the next few days hoping I can extend my visa to a holiday one. Are they open on saturday? Do you want to come with me to hold my hand? I hate forms.


There is a map on the site Immigration Information Centre

Scroll down for the handy map..

They are not open Weekends. A tip from a Immigration Centre regular.. don't go on a Monday morning.. go on a Tuesday.. get there at 8:30 am and you will be processed quickly.

If you wait until after lunch then you will be waiting for hours. Make sure you have all your forms filled in, your tax statement and your employment contract. have this ready before you go. Fill your forms in at home over a relaxing drink and ambient lighting.

I never want to set foot in that office again - or at least until the nightmare of my recent experience has faded into a memory and a humourous anecdote. So you will have to find somebody else's hand to hold my friend.
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Postby GomiGirl » Tue May 11, 2004 2:39 pm

I saw this on the main page of immigration..

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So basically this is to encourage us to leave.. "The only good foreigner is one on a plane outa here"??

But I thought the below figure was interesting..

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Which looks to me as it the number of foreigners entering Japan has not really increased so much, but more and more Japanese are leaving - so it only looks like there are more of us. :?

This site is great - some awesome statistics especially on the illegal activities of the bad foreigners.
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Postby Samurai_Jerk » Tue May 11, 2004 4:25 pm

I feel bad for the people for getting treated like shit but "accidently" overstaying your visa for 2 weeks is fucking stupid. What do you expect?
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Postby GuyJean » Tue May 11, 2004 5:45 pm

Samurai_Jerk wrote: but "accidently" overstaying your visa for 2 weeks is fucking stupid. What do you expect?
I think it mentions in the article they were on 5-year visas, so I'm assuming they were here for 5 years and two weeks?... After 5 years, doesn't it all start to blend together?..

My visa was up April 7th, handed in my passport on the 6th, but didn't receive my new visa until April 19th.. So, when does my new visa begin? :wink:

I can see how, after 5 years, it might be easy to forget when you arrive in Japan.. A true Fucked Gaijin is one who's constantly trying to forget that date, anyway..

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Postby Steve Bildermann » Tue May 11, 2004 6:39 pm

My visa was up April 7th, handed in my passport on the 6th, but didn't receive my new visa until April 19th.. So, when does my new visa begin?

Your new visa (technically not new but an extension of the old) begins on April 7th.

I suspect their '5-year' visa was a visa for one year extended several times. There is no provision for a one time five year visa.
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Postby GuyJean » Tue May 11, 2004 8:38 pm

Steve Bildermann wrote:Your new visa (technically not new but an extension of the old) begins on April 7th.
I know.. just quizin' you guys.. Interesting that it's called an 'extension' when the visa is physically a new stamp.. Are my monthly teikis (train passes) an extension of the original?... I know]http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3194[/url]

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Censored?

Postby gureppi » Wed May 12, 2004 3:38 pm

Funny thing is, sometime since the article was published, it's been changed. That is, the online article has been doctored. Can anyone get a hold of the original print copy, scan it, and mail it to me? The original contains reference to spying, crimes against the constitution and subversive activities. The thick plottens...
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Re: Censored?

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed May 12, 2004 3:59 pm

gureppi wrote:Funny thing is, sometime since the article was published, it's been changed. That is, the online article has been doctored. Can anyone get a hold of the original print copy, scan it, and mail it to me? The original contains reference to spying, crimes against the constitution and subversive activities. The thick plottens...


Huh? 'Shooms were banned in Japan last year.
Whatever " spying, crimes against the constitution and subversive activities" you're talking about is news to me and most likely was doctored. I read the article minutes after it was posted online (as always, hee, hee).

The "original" is at http://www.issho.org/ . If that isn't the "original" PLEASE tell the Issho about it and they'll be after it like the junkyard dog. The Issho people live for such controversy.

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Re: Censored?

Postby gureppi » Wed May 12, 2004 4:17 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
Whatever " spying, crimes against the constitution and subversive activities" you're talking about is news to me and most likely was doctored. I read the article minutes after it was posted online (as always, hee, hee).

The "original" is at http://www.issho.org/ . If that isn't the "original" PLEASE tell the Issho about it and they'll be after it like the junkyard dog. The Issho people live for such controversy.



The article on the Issho site isn't the original, and the SF Chronicle site doesn't give the original either. Very strange.

When you say that you saw the article a few minutes after it was posted, you mean to the Issho site, right? And not the SF Chronicle site, right?

I've been trying to get in contact with the article's author, Catherine Makino (a Tokyo-based freelance journalist), to ask her a few dozen questions, but no luck so far.

Thanks for the tip re Issho - I'll try contacting them about it.

By the way, if you've overstayed by more than a few days, the only chance you have of getting around it is to get married to a Japanese citizen or permanent resident and apply on compassionate grounds. That is, unless you're happy with the prospect of being banished. Good luck.
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Re: Censored?

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed May 12, 2004 4:21 pm

gureppi wrote:Thanks for the tip re Issho - I'll try contacting them about it.

By the way, if you've overstayed by more than a few days, the only chance you have of getting around it is to get married to a Japanese citizen or permanent resident and apply on compassionate grounds. That is, unless you're happy with the prospect of being banished. Good luck.


Yes, Issho is the place to go.
As far as my overstaying, it has never been an issue although did happen two or three times in my 20+ years here in Japan. (Informally I've been told they are going to refuse my application for a Perm. Visa again next June 10.)
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Re: Censored?

Postby Taro Toporific » Wed May 12, 2004 4:26 pm

gureppi wrote:The article on the Issho site isn't the original, and the SF Chronicle site doesn't give the original either. Very strange.

When you say that you saw the article a few minutes after it was posted, you mean to the Issho site, right? And not the SF Chronicle site, right?.


Send a PM to the FG member "mr. sparkle" who lives in San Fran and he could scan the SF Chronicle for ya.
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Postby gureppi » Wed May 12, 2004 5:23 pm

Thanks, but I think I've got it sorted now. I got a reply from the article's author.
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I overstayed and enjoyed nothing but freindly service from

Postby fuggsy » Wed May 12, 2004 10:46 pm

the nice immigration folks :D

No really, they were very understanding and there was no detention. The only problem was they keep you in the dark during the whole process. And the old immigration office was a hole.

As for people saying how f*cking stupid do you need to be to overstay a visa, i can only say you don't overstay a visa. The visa lets you in the country, the stamp in your passport, a residency permit or something, allows you to stay in the country. you overstay that. The authrority comes from different departments. Don't look at the visa when deciding when to extend your residency...... shit happens, and you learn these things when it does.

around the same time i overstayed there was a story of an aussie who was detained for 2 weeks in the US when she tried to board a flight after overstaying a visa for 1 or 2 days ......
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Postby DJEB » Thu May 13, 2004 12:00 am

bikkle wrote: It's always the stupid little things they screw you on, so you make sure you have your shit together.

The first thing I learned is that breaking the rules in Japan is fine - just as long as you break the right rules in the right way. :roll3:
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Postby torasan » Thu May 13, 2004 4:03 pm

The Sf Chronicle article says that the people in the story will be allowed to return to Japan in five years. Not true. In fact, they can APPLY to return in five years, but their apps will be rejected unless they are MARRIED to a Japanese national or have family there, Japanese family relatives that is.

I know. I was deported 7 years ago for visa overstay, told I could come back in a year (at that time), when I applied a year later I was told it was okay to fly back in with a US passport, but when I landed, I was checked, refused entry and made to sleep on a futon on the floor of the arrival lounge, guarded by two paid security guards specially detailed to me, not allowed to make any phone calls to friends in Japan or overseas that night upon arrival and refusal, and shown a blacklist computer print out that said I could not return to Japan for 50 years. When I applied by mail after five years since deportation, the govt did not even bother to reply to my mail in English or to my friends' mails in Japanese.

Those people in the SFC story, Area students Angela Luna and Richard Nishizawa will NEVER be allowed to set foot in Japan again. Neither will Christopher Mockford, "a student from Ellensburg, Wash., who was handcuffed and detained for three days after finishing a yearlong scholarship program at Shimane University in western Japan. He, too, was banished from Japan for, -- ahem, five years, NOT TRUE, -- for staying one day longer than his visa allowed."

He also will never set foot in Japan again. The system is rigged this way. Just like Gregory Clark, a former Australian diplomat in Japan and longtime expat there, used to be President of Tama U and the only foreigner on the panel, says -- his colleagues are "impervious to bad publicity" and are unlikely to ease up on overstayers.

"impervious to bad publicity" is the key phrase here. Japan Inc does not care about bad international PR. They simply could care less.

The law says that one can apply to return to Japan after a set period of years, once deported, but one's app is not guaranteed and is Never Accepted, to tell the truth. What it amounts to is lifetime banishment for overstaying, unless one is married to a Japanese national.

The newspapers never say this. They should. Overstaying your visa 14 days, like Luna and Nishisawa above, means lifetime banishment. Go figure.

And yet I know of another foreigner who was picked up on marijuana charges possession of, in Tokyo, she was detainted, then let out when her Japanese boyfriend took the rap for her, and she was never deported. Even though the police caught her with dope on her.

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Case by case.

Postby Taro Toporific » Thu May 13, 2004 4:26 pm

torasan wrote:....Not true. In fact, they can APPLY to return in five years, but their apps will be rejected unless they are MARRIED to a Japanese national or have family there, Japanese family relatives that is


Let's anecdotal!

My kobun/manservent, Brian the actor (many the Tokyo FGs met him at parties earlier this year) was booted out for 2 years for overstaying in 1998. No jail, no fine, not even any cross words from Immigration.

Brian has been back on a Work Visa several times now. NO PROBLEMO. He is very single and doesnot have any Japanese relatives. Go figure.

Bottom Line: It's you.

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Re: Case by case.

Postby torasan » Thu May 13, 2004 4:34 pm

Taro Toporific wrote:
torasan wrote:....Not true. In fact, they can APPLY to return in five years, but their apps will be rejected unless they are MARRIED to a Japanese national or have family there, Japanese family relatives that is


Let's get anecdotal!

My kobun/manservent, Brian the actor (many the Tokyo FGs met him at parties earlier this year) was booted out for 2 years for overstaying in 1998. No jail, no fine, not even any cross words from Immigration.

Brian has been back on a Work Visa several times now. NO PROBLEMO. He is very single and doesnot have any Japanese relatives. Go figure.

And it's Case by case. T.I.J. - any other way?


It is case by case in Case by Case Land, you are right. How long did he overstay? Two weeks? One year?

Perhaps getting a work visa before he returned allowed him to walk in unbothered at immig. And maybe, just maybe, tell me, he changed his passport? Got a new passport in his home country, with a new number in it? Am I right?

And: was he detained in jail before being deported? Or just rounded up in the Jujo Immigration jail and deported without any hearings or a trial? In that case, he is lucky. Glad to know he got back in okay. So there is hope for Luna and Nishsawa afterall.

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Re: Case by case.

Postby kurohinge1 » Thu May 13, 2004 4:50 pm

And a visa is no guarantee of entry in any country.

Here's an interesting article about "Fortress America" on the same topic.

If they don't "like the look of your jib" or have you on a blacklist, it's travelUS interuptus . :cry:
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Re: Case by case.

Postby Taro Toporific » Thu May 13, 2004 4:54 pm

torasan wrote:Perhaps getting a work visa before he returned allowed him to walk in unbothered at immig....
And: was he detained in jail before being deported? Or just rounded up in the Jujo Immigration jail and deported without any hearings or a trial?


He was traveling back and forth to a film shooting (Gen X Cops) in Hong Kong when he busted on leaving for being 2 months over. No sweat--Brian just stayed in Hong Kong films for 2 years. Then he came back on an work visa to "teach" English (more like a host club job for horny housewives) for 1 year, NO QUESTIONED ASKED. He used his same 10-year US passport the whole time.

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Re: Case by case.

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Taro Toporific wrote:
torasan wrote:Perhaps getting a work visa before he returned allowed him to walk in unbothered at immig....
And: was he detained in jail before being deported? Or just rounded up in the Jujo Immigration jail and deported without any hearings or a trial?


He was traveling back and forth to a film shooting (Gen X Cops) in Hong Kong when he busted on leaving for being 2 months over. No sweat--Brian just stayed in Hong Kong films for 2 years. Then he came back on an work visa to "teach" English (more like a host club job for horny housewives) for 1 year, NO QUESTIONED ASKED. He used his same 10-year US passport the whole time.

Case by case, ne :P


I see. He was busted on leaving. That explains it. Lucky.

If he had been busted while at work or on the street in TKO, it might be different. They just told him to leave the airport then and there, stampedf his passport with a stamp saying deported NO WAIT MAYBE THEY DIDNT DO THAT. that is why he came back so easy.

most deportees will get a 51 code stamp marked in their passport and if they try to come back with that passport, they will be denied entry.

Your friend's story is a good one. He is lucky. and yes case by case.

Maybe those people in the SFC story will get back in after 5 years. let's see.

It all depends on how you are deported.....and there are several degrees....and the worst one is not being deported and put in jail in FUCHU for life.....

i got a three year suspended sentence in court for overstaying.....but the sentence was kindly suspended for three years...and they deported me a week later, in handcuffs at Narita. in full view of travelling public.

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Re: Case by case.

Postby torasan » Thu May 13, 2004 8:00 pm

kurohinge1 wrote:And a visa is no guarantee of entry in any country.

Here's an interesting article about "Fortress America" on the same topic.

If they don't "like the look of your jib" or have you on a blacklist, it's travelUS interuptus . :cry:


yes, the LA TIMES just ran a story of a UK reporter who was denied entry at LA airport last week, even with a visa and valid passport, a lady, 45, kept in detention over night and shiiped back to UK the next day. I will post it....


http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-oe-lappin11may11.story


COMMENTARY

A Foreign Reporter Gets a Story of U.S. Paranoia


LA TIMES

By Elena Lappin

As I boarded my flight from London to Los Angeles on May 3, I looked forward to my first California experience. I had a freelance assignment for a British newspaper but also had been offered a bit of sightseeing by friends during my six-day stay. Instead, I spent 26 hours as a detainee. My only view of the city was framed by the metal bars on the security van transporting me, in handcuffs, from LAX to a downtown detention facility.

Inadvertently, I had arrived on American soil as a foreign journalist without a press visa, a requirement that has been on the books for years but is actually being enforced now under the strict guidelines of the Department of Homeland Security. I was traveling on my British passport and believed that, like most visitors from countries included in the U.S. "visa-waiver program," I could still come in and go out easily without special paperwork. I was unaware that since March 2003 (when the Department of Homeland Security was created) the United States had begun to regard journalists from friendly countries as hostile aliens. Our intentions must be closely scrutinized before we are allowed to do our jobs.

What sort of country is afraid of the foreign press? I had plenty of time to ponder this during my disturbing, humiliating and deeply disappointing encounter with a United States that seems to have become a travesty of the country I love. (Only countries like Cuba, Syria, Iran and North Korea demand that journalists apply for special visas.)

If I had announced myself as a tourist at passport control, I would have been waved through. By declaring honestly that I was a journalist (as I had done on previous visits), I had become a suspect persona non grata. As I explained my situation to various officials, I was sure that my innocent mistake based on my (and my paper's) ignorance of the still-obscure visa requirement would soon be clarified. After all, I had come from Britain, a staunch ally. Could I possibly be denied entry?

Incredibly, I was. And from the moment the decision to deport me was made, I was treated like a dangerous criminal without any basic rights. I was groped and searched. I was fingerprinted; mug shots were taken. Then, with my hands handcuffed behind my back ?a particularly painful and demeaning method ?I was taken through the airport to a van. Walking handcuffed among free LAX passengers was an indescribably strange experience; more than anything, it brought home the Kafkaesque fact that I was now a prisoner.

Later, I was to spend the night in a "detention tank" behind a thick glass wall, without a chair or bed. It contained only two steel benches, about 15 inches wide, a steel toilet and sink (all in full view of anyone passing by and of the camera observing all), a glaring neon light and a Big Brother-controlled television playing a shopping (!) channel all night. I found it hard to breathe in this human fish tank, yet knocking on the glass, repeatedly, brought no help. When a security officer finally walked by and I shouted through the door that I felt unwell, he wasn't interested.

In the morning, I was transferred (again in handcuffs) back to a security room, where I spent the rest of the day awaiting my evening flight back to London. I and two other detainees, whom I was not permitted to talk to, were supervised the entire time by eight sleepy, TV-watching security officers. While they ate their breakfasts, I had to ask four times for food and was shouted at before something edible was brought to me, paid for with my own money.

I later found out that mine is not the only such case: In 2003, 12 journalists were detained and deported at LAX, and one at another U.S. airport, according to Reporters Without Borders. As a detainee, I was not allowed a pen. But it is not hard to remember what I saw: a glimpse of a country hiding its deep sense of insecurity behind an abusive fa蓷de, and an arbitrary (though not unintentional) disrespect for civil liberties. Nevertheless, I am applying for a journalist's visa so I can come back and, I hope, see another America. May 3, as it happens, was World Press Freedom Day.



Elena Lappin is a British journalist
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