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Postby Taro Toporific » Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:59 pm

Video-Link Japan wrote:Ahhh.. didn't the IMF issue a warning to the U.S in January..?!? :oops: ....I can just hear the U.S consumer squealing now ....

Japan's currency intervention takes sinister turn in 'manga' comicThursday, March 18, 2004
(Mar - 18) 21:03 PST TOKYO (AP) --

The plot is sinister: U.S. officials trick Japanese authorities into intervening in the exchange market to buy the falling U.S. currency -- not to save vulnerable Japanese exporters from the dangers of a high yen, but to keep America's economy from sliding.
This story line from a comic book ["Golgo 13"] now selling in Japan may be implausible. Nonetheless, it highlights growing fears here over seesawing currency fluctuations.
...The story suggests that the White House has concocted a diabolical trap so Tokyo will cough up a massive amount of cash to finance ballooning deficits for the U.S. budget and global trade balance while preventing a crash in U.S. Treasuries.
Big Comic editor Naosumi Nishimura says "Golgo 13" appeals to Japanese readers because it is a fantasy based on realistic portrayals of current events.
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Postby cstaylor » Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:02 pm

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Postby JapanBound » Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:47 am

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JapanBound wrote: Let's not get ahead of ourselves here... America's economy is not in "shambles" hardly...


Ahhh.. didn't the IMF issue a warning to the U.S in January..?!? :oops:


IMF? Lol.. Surely they must always be right.. They give out more bad loans, then the Japanese.

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JapanBound wrote: The dollar is falling, sure... Greenspan/Snow/polcy makers, don't really care. This makes our products CHEAP in foreign countries..


I can just hear the U.S consumer squealing now as the impact of their lower value dollar starts hitting the store shelves and everything becomes even more expensive for them to buy.


Relax. We will keep buying. Look at our gasoline. Record prices, record demand

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JapanBound wrote: Japan is trying to stop the yen from appreciating, so Japans products don't become outrageously expensive outside of Japan, thus hurting their economic recovery.


Ya.. buying U.S T-Bills to boot.. You know what is 'funny' tho, the Lexus RX-300 in America runs about $40k, yet that same model in Japan - the Toyota Harrier - is only around $20k. Count on Japan to do anything in its power to maintain exports, an increasing amount of which is actually going to China.


Obviously vehicles made in japan, that avoid taxes/shipping/other costs, are cheaper in their home country. This is true of any country.

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JapanBound wrote: The dollar is weak, with the huge deficits we've occured, it's likely to stay that way, until perception changes in the global markets.. It's all just the market shaking it's self out, you remember when the Euro first came out, and EVERYBODY expected it to rise against the dollar... Well this didn't happen, and many many rich investors lost plenty of money, betting it would.. Now look at it! Everything will work it's self out. Massive deficits take their toll on our currency, but all in all it'a good thing for the US, and a bad thing for the countries our currency is paired against...


A 'good thing'..?!? well.. you can cheerlead for the official FOX-News line all ya like but, a lower value dollar will not increase your standard of living - ask Mexico - and really I doubt it will stem the loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas either.


We're not mexico, sorry. Fox news line? Thanks for the ignorant assumption, but I don't watch fox. Stem the loss of manufactoring jobs? We've been losing those jobs since the 70s. Big deal. Get more training, more education, further your skills, or work as a layman union lacky for the rest of your life. We'll survive.

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JapanBound wrote: Japan has spent a record amount of money interviening (buying dollars) to try to keep the dollar propped up agianst the yen, but this can only go so far.. Until the dollar stablilizes against all currencies, it will continue to fall against the Yen.


Yup.. and the Japanese will starting using their 'more powerful' value of the Yen to aquire another round of U.S assets.. like high profile real-estate properties and Hollywood movie studios. Seems we've be down this road once before..!!!



We'll see.. They lost tons of money the first time around, buying inflated property, at inflated prices. Here in scottsdale AZ, they built and developed a nice small retail mall. Spent over 40 mil, and sold it in bankrupty for 3...

- again edited by mod to show who is actually saying what..
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Postby Video-Link Japan » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:21 am

JapanBound wrote:
Video-Link Japan wrote:
JapanBound wrote: Let's not get ahead of ourselves here... America's economy is not in "shambles" hardly...


Ahhh.. didn't the IMF issue a warning to the U.S in January..?!? :oops:


IMF? Lol.. Surely they must always be right.. They give out more bad loans, then the Japanese.


Another great American institution like the World Bank.. the point was they hardly ever bite the hand that feeds them.. serious times indeed..

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Video-Link Japan wrote:
JapanBound wrote: The dollar is falling, sure... Greenspan/Snow/polcy makers, don't really care. This makes our products CHEAP in foreign countries..


I can just hear the U.S consumer squealing now as the impact of their lower value dollar starts hitting the store shelves and everything becomes even more expensive for them to buy.


Relax. We will keep buying. Look at our gasoline. Record prices, record demand


You forgot to mention record debt. Those folks at Visa & M.C must be smiling these days as 'record demand' on plastic continues.. Never mind that 7 trillion in the Red for the Fed.

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JapanBound wrote: Japan is trying to stop the yen from appreciating, so Japans products don't become outrageously expensive outside of Japan, thus hurting their economic recovery.


Ya.. buying U.S T-Bills to boot.. You know what is 'funny' tho, the Lexus RX-300 in America runs about $40k, yet that same model in Japan - the Toyota Harrier - is only around $20k. Count on Japan to do anything in its power to maintain exports, an increasing amount of which is actually going to China.



Obviously vehicles made in japan, that avoid taxes/shipping/other costs, are cheaper in their home country. This is true of any country.


The 'other costs' part would be.. IMPORT DUTY.. somehow I don't think that shipping would double the price of a vehicle.

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JapanBound wrote: The dollar is weak, with the huge deficits we've occured, it's likely to stay that way, until perception changes in the global markets.. It's all just the market shaking it's self out, you remember when the Euro first came out, and EVERYBODY expected it to rise against the dollar... Well this didn't happen, and many many rich investors lost plenty of money, betting it would.. Now look at it! Everything will work it's self out. Massive deficits take their toll on our currency, but all in all it'a good thing for the US, and a bad thing for the countries our currency is paired against...


A 'good thing'..?!? well.. you can cheerlead for the official FOX-News line all ya like but, a lower value dollar will not increase your standard of living - ask Mexico - and really I doubt it will stem the loss of manufacturing jobs to overseas either.



We're not mexico, sorry. Fox news line? Thanks for the ignorant assumption, but I don't watch fox. Stem the loss of manufactoring jobs? We've been losing those jobs since the 70s. Big deal. Get more training, more education, further your skills, or work as a layman union lacky for the rest of your life. We'll survive.


Your welcome - speaking of ignorant assumptions - Sorry but 'Get more training' etc. does sound like another tired 'Fox news line'.. good luck.

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Video-Link Japan wrote:
JapanBound wrote: Japan has spent a record amount of money interviening (buying dollars) to try to keep the dollar propped up agianst the yen, but this can only go so far.. Until the dollar stablilizes against all currencies, it will continue to fall against the Yen.


Yup.. and the Japanese will starting using their 'more powerful' value of the Yen to aquire another round of U.S assets.. like high profile real-estate properties and Hollywood movie studios. Seems we've be down this road once before..!!!



We'll see.. They lost tons of money the first time around, buying inflated property, at inflated prices. Here in scottsdale AZ, they built and developed a nice small retail mall. Spent over 40 mil, and sold it in bankrupty for 3...


Yup.. we'll see, I wonder whats the current value of say the Empire State building vs. what was paid for it 10 years ago.. I think its fair to say they made some good returns on investment too.

- Note Edited by Mod - added [/quote] to close off previous quotes to make it easier to see who is talking.. is that OK with you Video Link?

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Postby JapanBound » Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:23 am

We'll see what happens. This conversation is boring me. It was fun, though.
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Postby mnine » Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:25 am

I'm biding my time till financial armageddon.

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Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:05 am

JapanBound wrote:We'll see what happens. This conversation is boring me. It was fun, though.


Damn, I'm good. I called it correctly: The J-govt printed more yen until end of the financial year March 20-April 1 to help Japan Inc's balance sheet.

Yen rises on newspaper report intervention over
Forbes - 10:48am JST
TOKYO, March 29 (Reuters) -
The yen rose to a five-week high against the dollar on Monday, boosted after a British newspaper reported that Japan had ended its support... "Many still think the authorities will protect the 105 yen level for the year-end on March 31," said Yoshihiro Nomura, forex section manager at Trust & Custody Services Bank in Tokyo.



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Postby JapanBound » Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:22 am

Nice one. Never tried options on forex, just standard long/short forex positions.


Will be very interesting to see what the market does with the USD/JPY, and how the BOJ reacts.
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Re: What's up with the value of the YEN?

Postby Captain Japan » Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:50 pm

AlbertSiegel wrote:It's now at 111 to the USD! Should I just exchage some money now or will the YEN go back to the 118 -120 area? I still have 6 weeks before I arrive in Japan.


And now she's at 104...

Yen Surges on Speculation Report to Show Japan Has Pared Sales

bloomberg wrote:March 31 (Bloomberg) -- The yen surged to its highest since April 2000 in Asia and Europe on speculation a government report today will show Japan has reduced sales of its currency and a survey due tomorrow will show business sentiment is improving.
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Postby Taro Toporific » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:07 pm

Captain Japan wrote:And now she's at 104...
Yen Surges on Speculation Report to Show Japan Has Pared Sales


Damn, I left some money on the table (I baled out at 105.75/$1). :?
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Postby AlbertSiegel » Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:11 pm

:jawdrop: 103.86! :jawdrop:
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Postby JapanBound » Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:27 am

Next stop 100
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Next stop 85!!!!

Postby Taro Toporific » Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:35 pm

JapanBound wrote:Next stop 100


WHOOPIE! A pay raise for me!

The Yen Surges and the BOJ Isn't Interested
April 1 (Bloomberg
... yesterday, was March 31, the day when most Japanese companies closed their books for the fiscal year 2003. Because many of these companies are exposed to the dollar, yesterday's exchange rate was a material factor in determining the profit or loss for the year.
The benchmark rate companies will use is 105.69, which is the Bank of Tokyo Mitsubishi's 9:55 a.m. fixing.
Note that in the case of dollar/yen, the serious move upward in the yen commenced at approximately 10:46 a.m. Tokyo time. There was plenty of time for companies to take a fix on the yen before the unit took off against the dollar.
Which leads one to wonder what the profits of Japan's companies would have been had the companies used the exchange rate at the end of the day, after the surge in the yen.

Where Was BOJ?
The idea that Japan is interested in bashing the yen to help its companies look profitable is an old foreign exchange market theme. What happened yesterday added years of shelf life to the story, whether it's right or wrong. ....
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Postby Andocrates » Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:32 am

Last night "The japan times online" had the yen at 119, I rejoiced and was going to exchange $5000 to yen, then I realized it was April 1.
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Postby mr. sparkle » Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:27 am

Andocrates wrote:Last night "The japan times online" had the yen at 119, I rejoiced and was going to exchange $5000 to yen, then I realized it was April 1.


Two of the times I've been to Japan it was pretty extreme. 88 Yen/$$ in the late 90's. 135 Yen/$$ in around 2001. Dang dude! 8O
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Navel gazers say yen is going up under Bush

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Apr 05, 2004 2:16 pm

Japan's currency intervention takes sinister turn in 'manga' comic
Thursday, March 18, 2004
(Mar - 1Cool 21:03 PST TOKYO (AP) --...s "Golgo 13" appeals to Japanese readers because it is a fantasy based on realistic portrayals of current events.


Manga-cover curse hits yen
International Herald Tribune/ Bloomberg News /Apr 05
... Studying the "magazine-cover curse" is a favorite pastime of many a market analyst. The idea is that by the time a phenomenon or a person reaches magazine-cover status, it's often all downhill from there....
Loads of salarymen riding Tokyo's subway system are reading an unlikely "manga" comic series on Japan's yen sales. Part of the popular "Golgo 13" action-hero serial, it spins a sinister tale of U.S. officials pressuring the Bank of Japan to buy dollars...
"On the assumption that once a financial trend becomes part of the cultural zeitgeist it must be near the end," says Ian Douglas, chief bond strategist in London at UBS....now that Japan's currency maneuvers are mainstream enough to warrant comic book covers, perhaps the trend is pretty much over.
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"The plot is sinister"

Postby Taro Toporific » Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:20 am

Yen Rises Against Dollar as Traders Expect Strong Japanese GDP
Bloomberg - June 7, 2004 16:15 EDT
... ``The yen does well when people are more confident with global growth, and the domestic data in Japan remains good, as well.''. ...
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Postby mnine » Sat Jun 12, 2004 3:29 pm

BOJ stopped its dollar intervention, so that's the intended effect. Someone has pointed out before that softening the cost of (dollar denominated) oil in Japan will offset the pain of the strong yen...
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Postby AlbertSiegel » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:37 pm

What happened here???... it was at 110 to the USD just a day or two ago and now its at 105....
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Postby Kanchou » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:47 pm

And going back up, apparently.
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Postby Lifer » Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:47 pm

I'd say it has most to do with the elections. Traders are prol'ly nervous how the market is going to react to the results. I'd be surprised if it didn't start gaining strength again in the next week or so - especially if we get another for years of shrubbery.
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Navel gazers say yen is going up under Bush...

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:42 pm

Lifer wrote:I'd say it has most to do with the elections..... I'd be surprised if it didn't start gaining strength again in the next week or so - especially if we get another for years of shrubbery.



Navel gazers say yen is going up under Bush...


Dollar May Extend 21% Slide Under Bush, Survey Says
Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) --The dollar may extend the 21 percent drop it has suffered since U.S. President George W. Bush took office in 2001, according to a Bloomberg News poll of traders, investors and strategists.
In the final weekly survey before tomorrow's U.S. presidential election, 54 percent of the people questioned on Oct. 29 from Tokyo to New York advised selling the dollar against the euro. The survey also indicated the U.S. currency will weaken versus the yen. ....more...
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Postby Skankster » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:21 pm

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So true. It will be a steady decline to balance out the bush economie's bad figures.

Just yesterday all the political commentators were saying that bush is better for Japan... I think these commentators are thinking like kids in that they do not like being left alone to do their own thing. VERY SAD.

It seems like all Japanese Oyaji are pro-republican
When they only just ever get shit on by the republicans.


Hey... Maybe Japanese oyaji liked getting shit on???
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Postby Mulboyne » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:01 pm

Taro Toporific quoting Bloomberg wrote:..."The yen does well when people are more confident with global growth''. ...

That line comes up quite often and it is just plain wrong. The assumption underlying it is that a good global economy is good for Japan's economy so it translates as saying "expectations for a good Japanese economy are good for the value of the yen". To have any real meaning it must also imply "expectations for a bad Japanese economy are bad for the value of the yen". A cursory glance at exchanges rates vs GDP growth forecasts shows how wrong this is. We hit one one of the highest values of the yen back at one of the lowest points in the cycle when when only a madman thought life was going to get better.
The other reading - that global growth expectations, irrespective of Japan's input, are the driver - is even less well-founded.
GDP growth expectations are a consideration but you could lose a lot of money trading the yen on the back of them
The yen/dollar exchange rate has defied many predictions over the years and so has the JGB market. Since the end of the bubble, most of the focus has been on the value of the yen (i.e. not exclusively against the dollar). Over the last few years, the value of the dollar has been an increasing consideration so there are even more variables at work and, consequently, more to get wrong. I think it is right to suggest that many of the speculative trades in currency markets right now are bets on where the dollar is going rather than the yen. The dollar has been a "safe-haven" currency but, since it has lost that sheen recently, in the short term, it's all about deficits.
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Postby cstaylor » Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:02 pm

Skankster wrote:[color=red][b]It seems like all Japanese Oyaji are pro-republican
No, but look at the previous Democrat administrations, and you'll see an aversion to Japan.

A strong yen doesn't hurt oyaji; it makes their money stronger when they go abroad on trips.

I usually vote center-right, but I voted Kerry in this election. If the Republicans had put someone else up (like McCain) instead, I probably wouldn't have switched parties.
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What's up with the value of the CHICKEN?

Postby omae mona » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:15 pm

Anybody know who this bird is?
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Re: What's up with the value of the CHICKEN?

Postby dimwit » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:35 pm

omae mona wrote:Anybody know who this bird is?
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It looks like my old neighbors' fucking chicken that used to wake me up at 5:30 every Sunday morning. Japan -the land of urban roosters. :roll:
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What's up with the value of the COCK?

Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Nov 15, 2004 10:33 am

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omae mona wrote:Anybody know who this bird is?
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It looks like my old neighbors' fucking chicken that used to wake me up at 5:30 every Sunday morning. Japan -the land of urban roosters. :roll:


DAMN, you've got that damn urban cock too? When I lived in neighborhood of mid-rises on Hongo Dori, toshima-ku INSIDE the Yamaote Line I had two morning roosters in stereo screaming from 4am.

Dollar Weakens on Speculation US Unconcerned With Decline
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... to a seven-month low against the yen in Asia on speculation the US is unconcerned about the currency's decline, in contrast to policy makers in Japan and Europe ...
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Re: What's up with the value of the COCK?

Postby yakinoumiso » Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:45 pm

"What, that snake? No, we used to catch snakes like that all the time when I was a kid...
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