Medieval European Knight v. Feudal Japanese Samurai?

[Steve Bildermann]

[Samurai_Jerk]

Anime Otaku vs. Trekkie: Who would win? I don't know. But I'm sure both camps would enjoy pondering the question posed by SB.

[Charles]

There are some questions I'd rather have answered from direct observation. Like who would win:

Otaku vs katana.

Trekkie vs. rapier.

[dimwit]

Trekkie vs. rapier.

Damn it my phaser is empty, beam me out of here aaaAAAAHHHH!!!!

[devicenull]

knight... why? heavy armor and heavier weapons. also stronger.

[silverfall]

Well, after some serious thought, (Not really) since they were a few hundred years apart, there would have to be some time travel involved to begin with. Then I would put my money on the knight. Better and thicker armor would take away the samurai's only advantage. His sword.

[maraboutslim]

Well, we all know that regardless of the winner of that semi-final samurai v. knight match, the Viking would take the final.

[Steve Bildermann]

the Viking would take the final.

Methinks not...

[Charles]

Better and thicker armor would take away the samurai's only advantage. His sword.

Samurai had other advantages, like the bow & arrow. An arrow can penetrate plate armor and all but the heaviest, most tightly woven chain mail.

[Buraku]

me ?
Would have to go with the Western / European Knight
Chain-mail armour, battle axes, big-maces, Maximilian armor, german armoured horse and a big dragonlance, war-hammers, Renaissance/Gothic Armor, gauntlets, halberds, Broadswords...
Samurai spent most of their time getting killed by poverty stricken farmers...
pity the samurai that ever came across these medival European guys
http://www.film.org.pl/images2/fantasy/excalibur.jpg
http://www.carraronan.org/fantasy_gallerie/warhammer/chaos_2_1024.jpg
never knew Iron maiden did the scottish / celtic thing
http://seventhson.free.fr/photos/The%20Clansman%2002.jpg
http://iesb.net/movies/knight_axe.jpg

Plus if the going ever gets tough in ones of these fights, the Western / European Knight can always pull out his trusty crossbow and blast the samurai away !!
:P



Anime-Otaku Vs Trekkie

now that's a hard one to call

[Andocrates]

OK this topic is stupid, you know why? Because Ninja's use magic - duh! A ninja would cast a freeze spell or, maybe just to toy with the dirty gaijin use a slowing spell.


god, you people - Japanese warriors are the best in the world. Like for example look at Evangelion, certain secrets of the Ninja were revealed, that's why Shinji didn't die and was forced to start life over with that snotty German chick. Anu, the God of Heaven. Enlil, the God of Air. Ki Goddess of earth, and Enki, God of Water. They are called The Four Barons of Hell." And all the ninja powers are contained in their symbols. Duh!

No really, I think the ninja would win, they were all about style and martial arts, Europeans were just about brute strength.

[jingai]

From one of the links above:

Personally, from my own experience, I think the outcome of such a fight would fall in one of either two directions: The samurai would move directly to make a devastating cut, becoming punctured through the head, throat, or chest as a result, but still having his cut cleave through the rapier fighter's head and torso (or at least his extended arm).

Wow, from his OWN EXPERIENCE. Must be the thing Mercutio was talking about in the Dead Gaijins thread.

[silverfall]

Better and thicker armor would take away the samurai's only advantage. His sword.

Samurai had other advantages, like the bow & arrow. An arrow can penetrate plate armor and all but the heaviest, most tightly woven chain mail.

Charles, Charles, Charles. You need to study history my friend. Plate mail armor was invented because of the bow. Ever heard of the Bodkin Arrow? They were made for piercing chiain mail. That is why armor became heavier and thicker. Besides. The british archers are the heavywieght champions. That is why the French used to cut off their fingers and where the famous middle finger expression evolved from. The only thing a knight would have to fear is the power of the gods if he was fighting in Japan. Talk to the Mongols.

[Charles]

You really need to study armor and armaments. Heavier weaves of chain mail like 1-6 and 2-8 were invented to prevent arrows from penetrating. The point might penetrate the mail, but the weave was so tight the arrow could not penetrate, at worst you'd get a slight flesh wound and a big bruise.

I assure you that an arrow can pierce plate mail. The History Channel recently ran a series about ancient armor and armaments, showing demonstrations of weapons and armor recreated using medieval materials and methods as faithfully as possible. They demonstrated an arrow piercing plate armor. So am I supposed to believe the evidence of my own eyes, or you?

[tatsujin]

My bets on the Ninja - they learn jujutsu as part of their basic curriculum so they could better combat the samurai. This was the samurai core art.

In total the genbukan ninpo course consists of 36 different disciplines, each clan would specialise in a different one, i.e. Koga ninja were famous for there use of herbs and poisons. A young ninja would start his training from the age of 4 and learn from there for the rest of his life. Their art was centered around survival and practicality as many of the feudal lords tried on many occasion to wipe them out - Nobunaga probably the most famous.

Does anyone know what was involved in the feudal knights training?

[maraboutslim]

Does anyone know what was involved in the feudal knights training?

Mead?

[dimwit]

Why does everyone on this thread sound like they have spent WAAAYYYY too much of their youths playing Dungeons and Dragons.

[tatsujin]

I actually trained in Ninpo for a few years when I was young - never played Dungeons and Dragons

[GargoyleTS]

First ya gotta narrow the challenge field a bit here. Knight Vs Samurai has to be on a skill-skill playing field or both can "cheat" and make the whole thing a moot excercise.

So let's stick with Sword Battles. What is the Knight's Sword designed for? Beating the crap out of someone until they can't raise their arms anymore and then stabbing them in a vulnerable point to kill them. It was never designed to go through armor, Hollywood is full of shit on that score. What is the Samurai's Sword designed for? Cutting through light armor and disabling an opponent before delivering a death stroke. (yeah disabling, most cut to torso, arms and legs are not life-ending. SOME are, but most just make ya bleed and reduce your movement somehow). It is also not meant for punching through heavy armor, again Hollywood is full of shit.

So niether of them can get through a Knight's Armor with their swords. So we check out their maneuverability. A Knight in Full Plate is a hard mother and can go for a little while and do nearly anything in armor he could do naked, but our Samurai is nearly unfettered and can fight much harder without becoming as tired as the knight. So the Samurai can win if he makes it an endurance match. Simply tire his opponent out, then play his helm like a Catholic Church Bell until he falls and stab a vulnerable point. But he's gotta stay away from that club the Knight calls a sword or it's all over. Because the Knight does have sheer physical mass on his side and any hits he scores are going to seriously tell against his much more lightly armored opponent. If he can just land a few decent hits on the Samurai, he will win the battle by literally beating the crap out of his opponent until he can barely move, then delivering a fatal stab pretty much wherever he wants.

It's really an even match if the opponents know how their enemy fights and compensates for it. Otherwise it'll be the guy who gets the first hit in.


Otaku Vs Trekkie???

Otaku = Fat guy who loves anime and has probly tried (and failed, but maybe not) to learn at least one martial art. If nothing else he has SEEN a lot of martial arts and has an imagination.

Trekkie = Fat guy who lusts after a utopian society where no one works and no one has to pay money for anything and almost all of their combat involves glorified laser pointers unless you're a Klingon or a robot. And then the martial art there is made up and none of them study it, they just want a pretty non-sword for the wall and to get girl Trekkies to talk to them about it at cons.

My money is on the Otaku. If nothing else he'll be in slightly better shape from spanking it to all that demonic tentacle porn...

[Mulboyne]

[jingai]

Wasn't there a game, Samurai Shodown, which settled this once and for all

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/a/samur2char.htm

Charlotte sucked.

[Faded]

I`d have to give it to the Samurai. As previously stated the Knights were basically tanks when in full armour, and their swords were more for bashing an opponent then any finesse. Remember, Samurai`s were ideally trained in Jujitsu, which was founded on a base of disarming an opponent and (like the judo that followed) using their opponents size and momenteum against them. You had better believe that the armoured knight was all about size and momenteum. Also the Armour still had weak points, under the arm, behind the knee, shoulder, crotch, all the areas where the samurai would most likely focus. And since the Samurai would be more lightly armoured, could move faster, and easily slip out of the Knights area of view, since their visors were highly limiting.

the Otaku vs trekkie would be tough though, the Trekkie would be pontificating the whole time, while the Otaku would have to spend 15 minutes just striking poses. The only advantage would be to the Otaku, since they have no Grand Directive to worry about breaking.

[Andocrates]

But the otaku is bound to be better dressed.

An Otaku a Trekkie and a Baptist preacher walk into a bar. The bartender says, "What is this, a joke?"

[Taro Toporific]

But the otaku is bound to be better dressed.

Better dressed and more likely unemployed/employable.

[Mike]

Wrong, all of these choices are wrong. The gladiator is the man's choice, for it is not so much his part to win, but to die in an amusing fashion!

In other words, this is lame.

[dimwit]

But the otaku is bound to be better dressed.

The Trekkie would have better teeth.

An interesting mystery. Otakus always seem to have too much time on there hands, so why the f**k can't they brush their teeth?

[Buraku]

Anime Otaku vs. Trekkie: Who would win? I don't know. But I'm sure both camps would enjoy pondering the question posed by SB.

ultimate otaku trekkie thread

http://forum.japantoday.com/m_302458/mpage_12/key_/tm.htm

Discovery tying to be more serious
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tournament/war/war.html