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53% of Japanese distrust United States

Postby Skankster » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:00 am

53% of Japanese distrust United States

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20041216wo32.htm

Yomiuri Shimbun

Fifty-three percent of Japanese respondents to a poll said they did not trust the United States, a figure far higher than the 29 percent of Americans who said they distrusted Japan, according to the findings of a joint Yomiuri Shimbun-Gallup survey released Wednesday.

Despite this, many respondents said they believed that the Japan-U.S. relationship remained on good terms.

The distrust of the United States among Japanese was the highest recorded in the survey over the past five years, a sentiment believed to have been caused by U.S. policies regarding the governing of postwar Iraq.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Japanese respondents said they did not trust China, reflecting their deteriorating view of the country due to the recent intrusion into Japanese territorial waters by a Chinese nuclear-powered submarine and other gripes related to China.

The telephone survey was conducted in the latter half of last month, with 1,006 voters aged 20 or older in Japan and 1,000 voters aged 18 or older in the United States responding.

Pollees who said Japan-U.S. relations were good increased nine percentage points from the previous year to 49 percent in Japan, but dropped one point to 53 percent in the United States.

Regarding mutual trust, the number of Japanese respondents who expressed distrust of the United States soared eight points to 53 percent from last year, a figure much higher than the 38 percent who said they trusted the United States.

In 2000, the interview format was changed from person-to-person interviews to telephone interviews, and since last year the number of Japanese pollees who said they distrusted the United States exceeded those who said they trusted it.

The gap has widened from four percentage points to 15 percentage points, showing that distrust of the United States has increased.

In the United States, the number of respondents who said they trusted Japan was 67%, much higher than the 29 percent who expressed distrust of Japan, illustrating a gap between Japanese and U.S. pollees in their perceptions about each other.

The Iraq problem is believed to be the main reason behind the Japanese pollees' distrust of the United States, with 75 percent of them expressing discontent about the governing of Iraq led by the United States.

61% of Japanese pollees said they did not feel a fondness toward U.S. President George W. Bush, who was reelected in November. In the United States, it was 60 percent for Bush and 39 percent against him. Even in the United States, 62 percent of the respondents said they did not believe other countries had a liking for the United States.

The Iraq war has created a rift between the United States and Europe, resulting in a deepened sense of isolation among Americans.

In Japan, 71 percent of the respondents said they did not think other countries admired the United States.

Regarding their relationships with China, 59 percent of the Japanese respondents described Japan-China relations as poor as did 16 percent in the United States.

The number of Japanese who described their relationship with China as poor jumped 28 percentage points from the previous year and was the highest since the 2000 survey.



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Postby xune » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:51 am

I just wanted to say that as an american who lives in the continental united states. I too distrust the united states.
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Postby Charles » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:01 am

Until just before the election, over 53% of Americans mistrusted the United States.

http://www.pollkatz.homestead.com/files/NEWBUSHINDEX_6098_image001.gif

I'm sure the statistics will worsen, once the rosy glow from Bush's man-date wears off.
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Postby Socratesabroad » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:49 pm

Enough of the anti-Bush crap already. It just makes the stance of you Bush opponents, nay I say haters, look more and more like sour grapes.

Why not save your energy and rally your forces to put forward a new candidate? Who knows, maybe the third time really is the charm...
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Postby cstaylor » Sat Dec 18, 2004 3:32 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:Enough of the anti-Bush crap already. It just makes the stance of you Bush opponents, nay I say haters, look more and more like sour grapes.

Why not save your energy and rally your forces to put forward a new candidate? Who knows, maybe the third time really is the charm...
With just a little magic:
Current Bush Hater wrote:Enough of the anti-Clinton crap already. It just makes the stance of you Clinton opponents, nay I say haters, look more and more like sour grapes.

Why not save your energy and rally your forces to put forward a new candidate? Who knows, maybe the third time really is the charm...

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Postby Andocrates » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:18 pm

I, who have always voted republican, truly believe Bush is evil. So far his little rants have cost the US over 1000 military lives and $125 Billion. That figure doesn't include the chaos caused to our economy because the our active duty forces cant deal with a little pissant country like Iraq. The damage to our economy caused by yanking tens of thousands of National guard from their lives is unknown.

The Gipper would never have caused such a mess, Bush is simply not worthy of your misguided respect.

We could have paid Cuba 2 or 3 billion they would have got the job done better and faster. We must look like a bunch of backwards baboons to the rest of the world. I'm all for kickin' ass, but good god we sucked! High tech missiles are not enough to win a war.

Osama played Bush like a fiddle, the civil liberties and freedoms we have given up as Americans, because the government wasn't doing their job in the first place, I can never forgive. Don't you understand Socratesabroad? Osama won. Osama, evil as he may be, was a better planner then the mighty US.
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Postby Ketou » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:35 pm

Andocrates wrote: We must look like a bunch of backwards baboons to the rest of the world.


So then...........you're really not?? :wink:
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:11 pm

Firstly I got to say that I am very concerned about the future and direction of America.
In fact I don't know what was going on for a couple of weeks when the US of A "realected" Bush. I thought the whole mass people who went out to protest against the admnistration have turned out to vote for Bush again?! I don't know and I honestly don't care anymore.

I distrust the Yankees too, not just because they spy our technology, and they don't share military secrets with their NATO partners, no, they spy our companies, listen to our phone calls, capture our emails and the list go's on. But the best of it is, that spy installation is located in Bavaria, just a few kilometres from where I live.
I don't want to have any missunderstandings here, I trust American folks but not their government and Army and all those shiky miky.
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Postby AssKissinger » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:46 pm

The Ghost of AssKissinger wrote:I don't trust the Adolfs one iota.
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:57 pm

AssKissinger, isn't it just lame to reduce the Germans by their history? I could talk the same trash what u guys did with the black, and I can relate u with the latest Iraq stuff. But I don't do it pal.

But anyway I didn't expect that much of u. The way u write and what u yell just tells me how clever u are. U know, it reflects ur super high IQ. Just give me factual arguments next time. I'm really fed up with ur stupid comments. I'm not into any discussion with u. Verdammter Arschficker! Ur name should be ArschFicker and not AssKissinger.
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Postby Bongo » Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:41 pm

I wonder how the British or Canadians would vote in such a poll?
Probably be very similar to the results given by the Japanese.
Maybe even worse.

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Postby AssKissinger » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:03 pm

AssKissinger, isn't it just lame to reduce the Germans by their history? I could talk the same trash what u guys did with the black, and I can relate u with the latest Iraq stuff. But I don't do it pal.


The Ghost of AssKissinger wrote:I'm proud of what we've done in Iraq. While countries like yours ignore or even create Saddams and Hitlers my country brings them down and stops the tyranny. Bow down before your moral superiors. We taught you how to behave like humans again after your country was infested with what Anne Frank called 'The worst monsters the world has ever known'. She was talking about the Germans, in case you missed the mini-series.


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Postby GuyJean » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:07 pm

Socratesabroad wrote:Why not save your energy and rally your forces to put forward a new candidate?
Americans are too one-dimensional to vote intelligence. Thanks to 'Pravda for Dummies' (Fox) and 'Tow the Line News' (CNN), 51% of Americans aren't concerned with accountability anymore.. Or reality, for that matter..

America is a dying patient.. :cry:

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Postby AssKissinger » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:11 pm

GuyJean wrote:
Socratesabroad wrote:Why not save your energy and rally your forces to put forward a new candidate?
Americans are too one-dimensional to vote intelligence. Thanks to 'Pravda for Dummies' (Fox) and 'Tow the Line News' (CNN), 51% of Americans aren't concerned with accountability anymore.. Or reality, for that matter..

America is a dying patient.. :cry:

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Postby GuyJean » Sat Dec 18, 2004 9:28 pm

The Ghost of AssKissinger wrote:There's a lot worse things than death and I can tell you that from first hand experience.
Oh. So you must've been one of those evangelicals.. Since you took your own life, you're now fighting back the gnashing teeth, right?..

See, if you killed some brown skin in the Middle East, you would've been promised a seat next to Alla.. I mean, the King of Kings; USA Certified G-to-tha Oh My God! :wink:

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Postby plaid_knight » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:13 pm

Don't kid yourself. The reason the troops are in there
is to get the oil, and that's about it. We are not making
things better for Iraqis by being there:
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Study puts civilian toll in Iraq at over 100,000
By Elisabeth Rosenthal International Herald Tribune

PARIS More than 100,000 civilians have probably died as direct or indirect consequences of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, according to a study by a research team at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
.
The report was published on the Internet by The Lancet, the British medical journal. The figure is far higher than previous mortality estimates. Editors of the journal decided not to wait for The Lancet's normal publication date next week, but instead to place the research online
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And you'll remember that the States helped Saddam by
giving him weapons back in the 80's. But he did not have
weapons of mass destruction, a claim used to justify
the current crisis in Vietnaraq.
-------------------------------------------------------
Bush supporters are prepared to take
anything on faith, and are not able to process any
information that contradicts what they "know".
If a lie is restated often enough on Fox news, the
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:19 pm

AssKissinger:I'm proud of what we've done in Iraq. While countries like yours ignore or even create Saddams and Hitlers my country brings them down and stops the tyranny. Bow down before your moral superiors. We taught you how to behave like humans again after your country was infested with what Anne Frank called 'The worst monsters the world has ever known'. She was talking about the Germans, in case you missed the mini-series.


U call Germany ignorant? Then what do u call the people from France, UK, Spain, Greece, Thailand, Japan etc? The whole world were against the war. And the whole world wanted a different way of handling the situation. We strived for high diplomacy and a humanitarian solution. We don't drop bombs and kill civilians. Therefore we don't put any lies on the foreground and say bullshit about weapons of mass desctruction, pure hypocrisy.
We ALL know, that the administration had interests, they got an eye on the oil and some other objectives. You guys could've cleared Iraq anytime. U could have moved into Bagdad during the 90s or later, but why 2003? Because it was the right time to play war. We don't fool with other peoples lifes. I'd must admit there's another guy like u, who got no idea what the reality looks like, seriously. Just keep watching ur CNN, Fox or whatever.
I'm proud of what we've done in Iraq <--- I don't have to say much about this one. Things in Iraq aren't well until now. And the US Army lost so many soldiers because of this damn war. U know what, I've been talking to a GI online, he said he hates the war, he hates the Army, AND FUCK he wants to get outta there as soon as possible. I didn't care if he wears an US uniform, I respected and talked to him as a human and I didn't care about his nationality. U really don't know what is going down there. People are loosing their lifes, for what? I agree with what most people said: Bush is the true terrorist, and he's not any better then the Taliban, Al Kaida and so on. Ur administration brought the shit, and U CAN'T GET OUT of this mess. I've never seen such hypocrites like Bush and his gang after the Nazi pigs during WW2.
Germany has changed, but I think u don't get much about it. We really know what war is believe me.
Dude, I could write more ten pages about the Iraq war, but I just leave it their because it's just not worth to explain to u. U really got no idea.

About Germany: We are the most important NATO partner in Europe for the US and it's not the UK. We give u bases and hospitals and it's the best protected military installtion outside of the United States. We permit u to fly over certain air zones over Germany, without any restrictions during the Iraq war. We've send more ground troops to guard the US bases at it's edge.
ImageHigh skilled German NBC (nulcear, bio, chemical) units are in Kuwait for many years to train with the US and protect some certain keypoints against NBC threats! German KSK special forces are hunting with US Navy seals for Taliban leaders and the big motherfucker Bin laden. We are the biggest military contingent in Afghanistan. ImageWe participate in EVERY NATO and peace keeping operations, except Iraq. German care organizations are in Iraq in case if u don't know. Right now we're sending troops to Sudan.
But the biggest thing is, we're the first NATO PARTNER who trains Iraqi personal outside of Iraq (in the UAE- do u even know where it is?). We train them how to drive military vehicles, we train them all military stuff. Since now it has been talking about any help and support, but the Germans are already there but u don't know it anyway. TILL NOW no other NATO ally is doing this. [img]http://www.faz.net/imagecache/{600F801D-BCA0-4A9F-AE85-54E876820EE9}picture.jpeg[/img]
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:35 pm

plaid_knight wrote:Don't kid yourself. The reason the troops are in there
is to get the oil, and that's about it. We are not making
things better for Iraqis by being there:
-------------------------------------------------------
Study puts civilian toll in Iraq at over 100,000
By Elisabeth Rosenthal International Herald Tribune

PARIS More than 100,000 civilians have probably died as direct or indirect consequences of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, according to a study by a research team at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
.
The report was published on the Internet by The Lancet, the British medical journal. The figure is far higher than previous mortality estimates. Editors of the journal decided not to wait for The Lancet's normal publication date next week, but instead to place the research online
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And you'll remember that the States helped Saddam by
giving him weapons back in the 80's. But he did not have
weapons of mass destruction, a claim used to justify
the current crisis in Vietnaraq.
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Bush supporters are prepared to take
anything on faith, and are not able to process any
information that contradicts what they "know".
If a lie is restated often enough on Fox news, the
watchers of that channel will believe it.


Plaid knight, u seem to be the only one who knows about the true facts.
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Postby dingosatemybaby » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:07 pm

It always causes dingo mild annoyance to hear the bullshit conventional wisdom that Japan is America's poodle/pool toy/porch money because it's sent those SDF troops to Iraq.

Quite the contrary, thinks dingo. Japan has made the barest, most token of gestures - a small bunch of SDFers in the safest part Iraq, a secure Shiite area, cowering in their base behind the protective arms of the Dutch and soon the British. It's clear that if, by chance, there were to be a Japanese casualty, the troops would be back in Japan in a nanosecond. In return, the Bush administration gives Japan a full diplomatic face-licking, with preferential treatment in security and economic matters.

If the Japanese are unwilling to sustain even a single casualty assisting the US, then why the hell should a single US soldier die protecting Japan? And die they will when Li'l Kim goes into full nuclear-meltdown mode and Chinese subs start running aground in Kyushu.
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:13 pm

Who said something about the Japanese SDF?
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Postby dingosatemybaby » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:44 pm

goldenboy_ge wrote:Who said something about the Japanese SDF?


Dingo did.
And he likes your avatar.
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Postby goldenboy_ge » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:07 am

Dingo, arigato gozaimasu. How come u don't have any avatar? If u like it that much, I'd email u some nice ones.

It always causes dingo mild annoyance to hear the bullshit conventional wisdom that Japan is America's poodle/pool toy/porch money because it's sent those SDF troops to Iraq. <---- when we talk about Americas "poodle/pool toy" then we mostly think of the UK. But I can understand the British government somehow. It got many reasons, but u'll find it at WW2 again. The UK owe the US a lot for supporting the campaign to fight against the Nazis and to get back Falkland islands.
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Postby Socratesabroad » Sun Dec 19, 2004 1:48 am

cstaylor wrote:Enough of the anti-Clinton crap already...


Fair enough. But then again, I had nothing against Clinton and at least he was a Southerner (Georgian by birth, Southern by the grace of God and all that).

Ando wrote:I, who have always voted republican, truly believe Bush is evil.

Evil??? Misguided, perhaps. Not the sharpest tool in the shed, quite obvious. But evil? Sorry, I reserve that term, at least in regards to politicians, for cannibalistic and/or genocidal dictators, which - despite Chomsky's insistence to the contrary - is not George Bush.

Ando wrote:Don't you understand Socratesabroad? Osama won. Osama, evil as he may be, was a better planner then the mighty US.

Sad but quite true. Then again, it's always easier to threaten and attack an established system or ideal than start one of your own.

GJ wrote:Americans are too one-dimensional to vote intelligence.
America is a dying patient..

Thanks for the update. Sadly, I haven't seen US news on a regular basis in years so I was unaware. I take it you've already shredded any US gov't issued passports, visas, work permits, etc. you might be carrying. Maybe you could share rooms with Alec Baldwin in Quebec somewhere.

Seriously, though, I'm far from a Bush supporter. In fact, I have never cast a vote for anyone in relation to public office in my life.

My point was this - I'm a fence-sitter, middle-of-the-roader, whatever. And the venomous hatred of the anti-Bush crowd is a definite turn-off (as was the rabid hatred of Clinton - but the sex jokes were funny). Had the Dems been more pro-somebody rather than a ragtag group against Bush I think they'd have had a much better chance. But in another four years they'll get one, and by then hopefully they have learned from their mistakes.
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Postby GuyJean » Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:00 am

Socratesabroad wrote:I take it you've already shredded any US gov't issued passports, visas, work permits, etc. you might be carrying.
Not yet. My country is worth fighting for.. You believe in non-action. I believe in a little action]http://www.choosetheblue.com/main.php[/url]
By participating in alternative media - http://gnn.tv
(Personally, a little too liberal. But a change from WHM (White House Media))
By being informed of the stories the 'media' buries - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=102
(Again, a little too left for me. Don't read the comments. The headlines are real and sourced)
And by laughing at the foolishness of it all - http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos.jhtml
(Actually has more truth than 'real' news)
Socratesabroad wrote:In fact, I have never cast a vote for anyone in relation to public office in my life.
Interesting that someone doing nothing political would whine about the whiners that do.. You accept others to make choices for you]My point was this - I'm a fence-sitter, middle-of-the-roader, whatever. And the venomous hatred of the anti-Bush crowd is a definite turn-off. Had the Dems been more pro-somebody rather than a ragtag group against Bush I think they'd have had a much better chance..[/quote] I'm a realist. When I see, taste, and smell shit. It's shit to me. Whether Dem, Rep, Green, or whatever.

'Venomous hatred'? Did you happen to see the campaign? Kerry was attacked every step of the way, and never once were the attackers questioned by the media.

America is sick, and it's going to get worse before better. The US 'standard of living' is dependent on world cooperation; a definite waning trend.. We'll soon see fat people starving in the streets and credit cards burned for heat.. :wink:

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Postby kamome » Sun Dec 19, 2004 10:19 am

Socratesabroad wrote:In fact, I have never cast a vote for anyone in relation to public office in my life.

My point was this - I'm a fence-sitter, middle-of-the-roader, whatever.


I think antipathy and fence-sitting is as much a threat to democracy as Bush is. You've got to at least vote to make some kind of difference. And anyone who doesn't vote has zero credibility in a political debate.
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Postby cstaylor » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:00 am

kamome wrote:I think antipathy and fence-sitting is as much a threat to democracy as Bush is. You've got to at least vote to make some kind of difference. And anyone who doesn't vote has zero credibility in a political debate.
I agree. I had the pleasure of working the voting booths for three separate California elections, and see all sorts of different people come in to vote, but the overrepresentation of the elderly was a startling for me. The young seem to have either no concept of democracy's responsibilities or place too much faith in the hands of the post-WW2 generation. :roll:
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Postby AssKissinger » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:30 am

The Ghost of AssKissinger wrote:I can think of two good reasons not to vote. 1) Your beliefs are totally disenfranchised. If no candidate comes anywhere close to what you believe in, why vote? 2) You're totally stupid or uneducated. I saw one news broadcast about Dems going around from door to door teaching people to read the word 'Kerry'. People say Bush supporters are stupid. Ha! One of the Democrats' biggest problems is that they can't convince the most uneductaed people in the country to get to the polls.
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Postby dingosatemybaby » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:12 pm

AssKissinger wrote:
The Ghost of AssKissinger wrote:I can think of two good reasons not to vote. 1) Your beliefs are totally disenfranchised. If no candidate comes anywhere close to what you believe in, why vote? 2) You're totally stupid or uneducated. I saw one news broadcast about Dems going around from door to door teaching people to read the word 'Kerry'. People say Bush supporters are stupid. Ha! One of the Democrats' biggest problems is that they can't convince the most uneductaed people in the country to get to the polls.


That's pretty much what the South Park guys, Matt and Trey, said, thus causing Sean Penn's Oscar-worthy freakout. But I agree, too. It's un-PC, but it's a point that needs to be made.
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Postby Socratesabroad » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:08 am

kamome wrote:Interesting that someone doing nothing political would whine about the whiners that do.. You accept others to make choices for you]

kamome wrote:I think antipathy and fence-sitting is as much a threat to democracy as Bush is. You've got to at least vote to make some kind of difference. And anyone who doesn't vote has zero credibility in a political debate.


Whining? I hardly think a genuine complaint about repeated (and they are repeated, if you care to read through the archives) anti-Bush statements with little or no relation to Japan qualifies as whining.

That said, I should probably thank you for 'getting the truth out' - I was unaware you were the only one in possession of it. But at least now I know that for some 'Bush is evil' is considered 'truth.'

As for others making choices for me or having to make some kind of difference, such views are woefully ignorant of American history - apathy is a venerated American institution.

As an example, a third of the original American electorate 'doing nothing political' had 'zero credibility': historical accounts of the colonial independence movement estimate that about 1/3 of the population supported independence from England, 1/3 favored remaining a colony, and the remaining 1/3 didn't care.


Far be it from me to fly in the face of American tradition.
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Postby Skankster » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:34 am

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How come nobody mentions the beautifully contrasted pictures of the Japanese empirical abuses in China and those dispicable pictures of abuses by the US empire?

I thougt it was classic myself. :lol:




I too feel the moral highground that bush uses to justify the invasion of Iraq.
However, that comment that Osama is a better planner than the US (Bush) is a testament to the fact that bush has only risen in reaction to Osama's leadership.
Usually this is the case with leadership. There are always counter leaders to leaders. Without Osama's leadership Iraq would not have taken place... (think about that!)

I personally have no respect for re-actionary leadership.
Re-actionary leaders prove not to be consistent.

The only GOOD thing bush might have done on his own was reduce taxes for the rich.
However the question is at what cost to whom?
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