53% of Japanese distrust United States

[GuyJean]

Whining? I hardly think a genuine complaint about repeated (and they are repeated, if you care to read through the archives) anti-Bush statements with little or no relation to Japan qualifies as whining.

Most of my comments about Bush are in the 'Political Erection' thread. This thread is about Japan]That said, I should probably thank you for 'getting the truth out' - I was unaware you were the only one in possession of it.[/quote] Actually most the world knows the 'truth'. It's only the 51% misguided, scared, evangelical Americans that don't.. But don't worry yourself about it. Just go with the flow, man.

But at least now I know that for some 'Bush is evil' is considered 'truth.'

I never said Bush was evil. Where did I say that? Are you saying facts can be slanderous?

historical accounts of the colonial independence movement estimate that about 1/3 of the population supported independence from England, 1/3 favored remaining a colony, and the remaining 1/3 didn't care.

Yeah. I've always revered the 'revolutionary slackers' of the independence movement.

[Socratesabroad]

Most of my comments about Bush are in the 'Political Erection' thread. This thread is about Japan]
If you'll notice, GJ, I ended up amassing responses to 2-3 people at the same time to 1) save space and 2) avoid drawing things out, so my reference was not to your comments specifically. But I did not appreciate the ham-handed description of my point as 'whining.'

BTW, why do you care what I write?

You know, you're exactly right. I don't. Thank goodness for that ever-handy ignore button.

[DUCK]

quack

[GuyJean]

But I did not appreciate the ham-handed description of my point as 'whining.'

I thought it was rather 'even'-handed]You know, you're exactly right. I don't. Thank goodness for that ever-handy ignore button.[/quote] Well, you can ignore me, but I won't ignore you. You have different views - so what. That's why this is a discussion forum..

GJ

[Socratesabroad]

Out of curiosity I guess, I came to back to see if you had responded, GJ. I was expecting a snide remark or the like, but instead you were quite cogent.

I think I too might miss something if I didn't take the time to read what you have to say. In the end, it appears that I merely took something the wrong way, so I'll say this publicly - I apologize.

Thanks GJ, for helping me to be a little more level-headed...

[AssKissinger]

Thanks GJ, for helping me to be a little more level-headed...

JEEZ! Get a room!

[kotatsuneko]

now, theres 2 ducks? wtf?!

[Hoki]

I literally stumbled upon this website on accident and started reading this thread, and just had to reply.
Ok, about america voting evil, or shame on us for "changing our minds" or whatever.
There exists a thing called a silent majority and a very very vocal minority.
It seemed like everyone in america wanted bush out because of what the media portrayed, which was the protest, and everyone who was angry. People who aren't angry aren't good for ratings.
CNN, and other useless news sites are what portrayed this gross inaccuracy.
What can I say? Get your news from a reliable source.

The pictures. Acts of individuals whome clearly have something wrong with their heads. If you think they represent america, then apparently YOU have something wrong with your head too.

In reply to the japanese chick, US government doesn't have to spy, corporations do a better job at it by datamining and datawarehousing your every purchase/activity. The government buys the info or just legally mines it from these companies. So you don't wanna get spied? Cancel your internet and pay for everything in currency.

And a comment from me on the issue. Its nothing new that japanese have mistrusted americans. This didn't magically happen because of bush it has been establish forever.
Its true that americans are very proud and bigoty people, but the only nationality even more proud and bigoty just happens to be japan.
I know zealous americans are annoying bastards we all want to punch in the face, but according to the poeple who visit japan frequently, japan has a lot more of these asshats than we do.

And yes america has done some terrible things in the past and may be making some mistakes currently, but if we wanna paint nations good or evil for their mistakes, well then, Japan is Satan himself, and america is a lesser demon.
What happened to china during WW2 is IMO most brutal happening in the history of history. When I first learned the grim details I felt like throwing up.

But im not one to paint a nation based on its history.
And I fully trust the japanese.
This 53% / 29% crap just means that 53% of japanese are idiots, and 29% of americans are idiots.
So hooray for the idiots, for everyone else, laugh at them silently.

[GuyJean]

I think I too might miss something if I didn't take the time to read what you have to say.

I agree. It wouldn't be FG, to me, without So-Crates making me question my beliefs.

GJ

[fatslug]

who wouldnt

[Larmia]

Well I would be lying if I said that I didn't half away sympathize why many of the Japanese people don't trust the U.S. Look at Bush...he isn't exactly the best representative of the American people...
Then again, its not like Bush is a nazi of some kind(yet anyways), so whatever in my case.

[Skankster]

CNN, and other useless news sites are what portrayed this gross inaccuracy.
What can I say? Get your news from a reliable source. ..

Why dont you suggest one then!!?!
What exactly is a reliable source? Rush Limpdick?
CNN is not biased]

The pictures. Acts of individuals whome clearly have something wrong with their heads. If you think they represent america, then apparently YOU have something wrong with your head too..

[color=red]They represent malicious americans that like to stick their fingers up peoples ass where they dont belong. YES, that means YOU!!! That is typical of americans and typical of you.
Were these images upsetting enough for you to register and post for your political pro-bushy tirade? Is that not aggressive?

entry found for aggressive.
[i]Fast growing]

I find it interesting you 'tended' to invade this site for a pro-bush tirade.
Malicious racist aggression has been obvious in the US for generations.
Now it is an export - thanks to bush.

In reply to the japanese chick, US government doesn't have to spy, corporations do a better job at it by datamining and datawarehousing your every purchase/activity. The government buys the info or just legally mines it from these companies. So you don't wanna get spied? Cancel your internet and pay for everything in currency..

r u paranoid schitzophrenic? Do you have any other conspiracy theories???
if so the illuminati may have a price your head.

And a comment from me on the issue. Its nothing new that japanese have mistrusted americans. This didn't magically happen because of bush it has been establish forever.
Its true that americans are very proud and bigoty people, but the only nationality even more proud and bigoty just happens to be japan..

So neow your an oxymoronic Japan expert.
As an oxymoron you say pictures of violence doesnt represent americans in general...but now you say "americans are very proud and bigoty people"?? Now if that is not oxymoronic... I dont know what is.

As a Japan Expert what would your credentials be???

I am a Japan major from a school well known for Japan studies and have been living/studying Japan for 10+ years.
I say Japan loves america so much it is a problem.
I also say that that same poll data would have been significantly better before bush took office (from personal sampling but would be willing to support it if I had more time).

And yes america has done some terrible things in the past and may be making some mistakes currently, but if we wanna paint nations good or evil for their mistakes, well then, Japan is Satan himself, and america is a lesser demon..

So now america does terrible things??? I hereby crown you Super-Oxymoron !!!

ALL OXYMORONS VOTE FOR BUSH

[Pizzicatoblue]

To put this all aside, The Japanese aren't the only ones that dislike the U.S. It's also the rest of europe to put it at that.

[AssKissinger]

To put this all aside, The Japanese aren't the only ones that dislike the U.S. It's also the rest of europe to put it at that.

If the Japanese hate Americans so much why are the women so eager to lick my ethereal cob?

[Skankster]

If the Japanese hate Americans so much why are the women so eager to lick my ethereal cob?

[/quote]

Because it is the bush administration that they hate.
Your amarecan penis - they like.

[AssKissinger]

Because it is the bush administration that they hate.
Your amarecan penis - they like.

Well, at least they got their priorities, uh, straightened out.

[FG Lurker]

I'm proud of what we've done in Iraq. While countries like yours ignore or even create Saddams and Hitlers my country brings them down and stops the tyranny. Bow down before your moral superiors.

Stopping tyranny? Moral superiors? Excuse me for a second while I BUST A GUT laughing!

Do you know who put Saddam into power? GO USA!

Do you know who sold Saddam most of the ingredients for the WMDs he once had? GO USA!

Do you know who put the Taliban into power? GO USA!

Do you know who created the mess that lead to the current regime in Iran? GO USA!

Do you know who sat by for YEARS while WW2 raged in Europe, and in fact sold technology to the Nazis (IBM and Ford, for example)? GO USA!

The list is long and rather sad. Yes, the USA has done a lot of good in the world. But they have done huge damage as well, mostly through unbelievable and shockingly short-sited foreign policy decisions.

Yes, the USA brought down Saddam. But they put him there in the first place, and it remains yet to be seen if the next government they install will be better or worse than the last one they installed (Saddam).

Ian

[Hoki]

Why dont you suggest one then!!?!
What exactly is a reliable source? Rush Limpdick?
CNN is not biased; after all it is only news. Its not fiction like WMD or bush's service record. CNN abides by the Journalistic ethics that the world agrees is AOK.

A reliable source would be a non-news channel.
The nightly news is one.
I never got the impression that everyone hated america/bush from watching the nightly news. That missinformation comes from news sites that rerun the same negative images. Or from that fabulous moore documentary.
CNN is as biased to the left as FOX is to the right. Thats why neither are reliable.
Rush limpdick, I guess you figured I was an extremist and would take offense to this. No, I don't listen to rush. Nobody listens to rush. He is an extremist idiot.
News isn't just news, its commentary, and what is covered - what all is being reported. Everything, or just the stuff the political tool wants you to see. Giving part of the story, thats ethics that I do not agree are AOK.
And anti-bush blahblahblah doesn't bother me I voted for him but thats only because kerry was a worse alternative. The race was so close because we had to choose between a giant douce or a shit sandwich.

They represent malicious americans that like to stick their fingers up peoples ass where they dont belong. YES, that means YOU!!! That is typical of americans and typical of you.
Were these images upsetting enough for you to register and post for your political pro-bushy tirade? Is that not aggressive?

They represent themselves. Every nation has fuckwads like those in their military. Its just a type of person. Shitty people live all over the world and your pretty damn niave for thinking otherwise.
Pro-bush tirade? Please. Im worlds above that shit. I don't like the man. Im not stupid, I know hes got connections to the bin-ladens and that we are only interested in that region for the oil.
But again, giant douce, or shit sandwich. Roll the dice.

Malicious racist aggression has been obvious in the US for generations.
Now it is an export - thanks to bush.

There are some racists remaining but they are dying out old men and women who nobody cares about.
The President simply doesn't have the power/influence to bottle and sell racial hatred. And once again, the few dont represent the many.

r u paranoid schitzophrenic? Do you have any other conspiracy theories???
if so the illuminati may have a price your head.

This was in reply to the girl/woman who claimed "america spy us kicky fast ok". Through datamining/datawarehousing, everyone spies on everyone. Its how I get TIME magazine in the mail with a CUSTOM car add with MY NAME and a listing of MY CARS in it.
Its how if I buy something from petco, I get email from every online pet store, all of whome now know my name. Its fact not conspiracy.

So neow your an oxymoronic Japan expert.
As an oxymoron you say pictures of violence doesnt represent americans in general...but now you say "americans are very proud and bigoty people"?? Now if that is not oxymoronic... I dont know what is.

Americans are commonly proud to be american. A handful of pictures of some asshats doesn't mean that america is full of asshats. That. Is. Ignorant.
Also that is not an oxymoron. The word you were looking for was 'contradictory'. And I agree I worded it incorrectly.
Americans and Japanese are proud people. No shit we have people over here that think america is #1 and everyone else are teh suck, but Japan has more of these people than america.
I was just pointing out that if you were to say 'america is full of bigots', that, hey, 'japan is stocked to the ceiling with bigots'.
But you dont think the few represent the whole, so no problem here.

As a Japan Expert what would your credentials be???

I am a Japan major from a school well known for Japan studies and have been living/studying Japan for 10+ years.
I say Japan loves america so much it is a problem.
I also say that that same poll data would have been significantly better before bush took office (from personal sampling but would be willing to support it if I had more time).

I watch the history channel, and japanese specials. Its not like I need you to agree with me. If your such an expert then why aren't you on TV filming documentaries? Hmm.
Plus you seem to have a healthy hatred of Bush, whome you think I love, so I question your motives for having replied to this in the first place. Also your grammar and attitude make me question your claim to have graduated highschool.

So now america does terrible things???

Did I ever say america never did some terrible things?
Hitler got his idea for exterminating the jews from what america did to the indians. He thought it was brilliant.
And everyone knows about slavery.
Vietnam was a ginormous mistake, though it had good intentions.
What is happening right now may end up being another vietnam. Who knows.

Overall I got the impression that you think im a tool with an agenda.
Clearly your mistake. But I don't wanna make enemies, so cheers bud.
Oh and lookup oxymoron.

[Samurai_Jerk]

How can someone who uses a word like bigoty critisize anyone's English?

[jingai]

You know the gibberish text you get in spam messages while the picture loads? I think I know who writes it, now!

This was in reply to the girl/woman who claimed "america spy us kicky fast ok". Through datamining/datawarehousing, everyone spies on everyone. Its how I get TIME magazine in the mail with a CUSTOM car add with MY NAME and a listing of MY CARS in it.
Its how if I buy something from petco, I get email from every online pet store, all of whome now know my name. Its fact not conspiracy.

Somebody's been reading "How to Good-bye Depression" again. I wish folks like you were on Fox News to debate your points- you'd confuse the hell out of Bill O'Reilly.

[Hoki]

I wasn't intending to insult, I just question his claim to being a high school graduate when he replies by flaming in giant, bold, red text while miss using words.
And I do not understand the last responce directed at me. Straight over my head. Inside joke?

[Samurai_Jerk]

And my point is that anyone that uses things like bigoty and miss using shouldn't be doubting anyone's level of education.

[Hoki]

Meh. Everybody misspells.
Point taken.

[jingai]

Here's what I was referring to:

How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?
by Hiroyuki Nishigaki
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595094724/qid=1103842002/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-7169392-1161539?v=glance&s=books

Your posts not only have bizarre spelling, but some interesting syntax as well. It reminded me of Hiroyuki Nishigaki's great prose:
http://hometown.aol.com/hnishigaki/

My several exciting space travels, Pyramid Text, shaman.
About how and what to do to fly into the vast fine universe from physical body like an ancient
Egypt king or Thothor phenix in detail concretely for the first time in the world. Super
adventures beyond the physical body.The manners of psychic world (energy body),too. For
example, don't visit others very often or for long time, don't peep at a bathroom, don't use a
strong sharp hook(interlock). I succeeded in decoding the oldest classic of out of body book
(2,000 years ago, in China) 12 years ago and have written about it, too.

[jingai]

Hey, Rob Pongi, can you make a video of a dramatic reading of Hoki's posts like you do with your Japanese fan mail?

Americans and Japanese are proud people. No shit we have people over here that think america is #1 and everyone else are teh suck, but Japan has more of these people than america.

We're teh suck!

[Skankster]

Geesh. My grammar was good enough for you to reply item by item.

A reliable source would be a non-news channel.

Oh.
A source that does not necessarily abide by the Journalism Code of Ethics?

Malicious racist aggression has been obvious in the US for generations.
Now it is an export - thanks to bush.

There are some racists remaining but they are dying out old men and women who nobody cares about.
The President simply doesn't have the power/influence to bottle and sell racial hatred. And once again, the few dont represent the many.

Actually I mean focus on the AGGRESSION.
AGGRESSION is the problem.
If anyone in a work capacity can pile up living men and take pictures while smiling then this is a sign of an aggression]
Through datamining/datawarehousing, everyone spies on everyone. Its how I get TIME magazine in the mail with a CUSTOM car add with MY NAME and a listing of MY CARS in it.
Its how if I buy something from petco, I get email from every online pet store, all of whome now know my name. Its fact not conspiracy.
[/quote]

Its no big deal, man. Get over it.
There is no conspiracy. Even if there was - So What!! - it doesnt affect your life nor mine directly to any significant extent anyway.

What is happening right now may end up being another vietnam. Who knows.

This is why the the issue of pulling out of Iraq should not be taken off the table.
I am 100% with your troops. I know they could do it.
I agree 100% that it would be nice to see a free democratic Iraq.
However, leadership is so bad right now I fear for them.

Any leader that would push a unilateral invasion 1 year just because he is afraid of not getting re-elected is not a leader you want to go to war for.
Bush is a scardey cat and doesnt deserve the presidency.
(and that is not a grudge]Web definitions for Ad Hominem
Rejection of a claim or argument on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author
of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
See Dr. Michael C. Labossiere's excellent description for further information.
http://www.technomom.com/harassed/definitions.shtml - Definition in context
[/quote]

And here is more on that definition.

Ad Hominem
attacking your opponent personally rather than her/his argument.
Ad hominem is fallacious argumentation.
http://www.tmsdebate.org/main/forensics/glossary.htm

[Hoki]

Yes I understand the definition and hope that I did not do this anywhere.
I don't reject your points for them being in giant bold red.
But how can I ignore your attitude when you automatically make several incorrect assumptions about me based off very little.
As if just because I dissagree with one thing you agree with, that I dissagree with you about everything.
That is just not the case and I had to make that clear.

Anyways I grow bored. My point for even registering here is to point out that Bush did not magically make half of japan not trust the american people.
Another point I hoped to make is that misstrusting an entire nation/people/race is, quite frankly, retarded.
I mean, so what if 53% of japan and 23% of america are retarded? The world has always been full of ignorant, go-with-the-flow people.
I've accepted this long ago.
The other point, the pictures of individuals doing terrible things. I think I made it clear that I do not believe those few people represent me or anyone else that I know. And I get a little offended when people suggest it. What can I say, ignorance angers me when used maliciously.

Well, goodbye fuckedgaijin.
Keep on keeping on!

[Skankster]

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OK. maybe I am wrong. Maybe attacking my rhetoric is not Ad Hominem.

U neednt cower now. Your already registered.
However there are two major trends besides the gaijin experience about this site: they are mostly democratic leaning; and the other is there are many mac users

so if you touch those areas you should have your guns loaded

[Buraku]

In fact, I have never cast a vote for anyone in relation to public office in my life.

My point was this - I'm a fence-sitter, middle-of-the-roader, whatever.

I think antipathy and fence-sitting is as much a threat to democracy as Bush is. You've got to at least vote to make some kind of difference. And anyone who doesn't vote has zero credibility in a political debate.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=8677755
http://www.forbes.com/finance/feeds/afx/2005/05/26/afx2057369.html
Try the book from Blinky - A Japan That Can Say No, co-authored with Sony chairman Morita Akio. Many have also concluded that Ishihara is anti-American he talked of dumping the dollar, selling the US bonds and wants to be rid of the US military bases
Tokyo Gov Shintaro Ishihara said Wednesday that the metropolitan government will take part in Japan-U.S. talks to accelerate discussions on the civilian-military use of the U.S. Air Force's Yokota Air Base in western Tokyo, since Washington gave a "positive response" in April.
"Japan and the United States can soon begin full-fledged negotiations," Ishihara told a meeting of the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly
Blinky is a xenophobic nutcase and sadly they might elected him for prime minister

[emperor]

http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=940