comin offa da drugs (paxil)

[foody]

anybody else out there use paxil?

i was on a 3 month cycle and finished a couple of weeks ago. damn i feel like ish.

could just be the jet lag. went home for christmas and now a few more thousand feet about sea level.

but damn... just cant seem to shake this feeling.

tired all the damn time, instantly irratable. inability to spell irretable correctly.

[Bongo]

Never used it myself as I prefer more natural entheogens.
Hope you recover over the new year break.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/parox_ad.htm

[Adhesive]

[Charles]

Let me give you the only medical information you should ever get from random strangers over the internet:

NEVER get medical information from strangers over the internet.

Consult a doctor if you have trouble with your medications. Seriously.

[Mels]

I agree with Charles. It is recommended to contact your doctor.
The strongest thing I ever have to take is asprin, but I have freinds that take Paxil and they say with any kind of anti depressant, no one should just stop taking them, they need to slowly go off the meds because of side effects.
I hope you will consult your doctor immediately.

[Andocrates]

Let me give you the only medical information you should ever get from random strangers over the internet:

NEVER get medical information from strangers over the internet.

Consult a doctor if you have trouble with your medications. Seriously.

Bullshit, if you are selective the information you get off people far surpasses the doctors. Doctors are almost always clueless about drugs past what is listed in the PDR.

http://www.paxilprogress.org/index.php

[foody]

it's nothing too serious. just feeling tired and a little naseous. i'll see a doc when i get the chance, but it's no big thing.

[Charles]

Bullshit, if you are selective the information you get off people far surpasses the doctors.

Riiiight.. You should always trust the anecdotal evidence from people taking psychoactive pharmaceuticals more than the instructions from a licensed professional with 8 years of Medical School who is supervising dozens of patients taking that drug.

[Andocrates]

Yes, a classic case is vioxx. I quit taking that over a year and a half ago because there was constant message board chatter about heart problems.

The suicide risk for children on anti-depressants, that's been public knowledge for at least 3 years.

[dingosatemybaby]

You kids are a bunch of hysterical nancyboys. Every drug has risks. Aspirin can cause aneurysms - and aneurysms can really fuck your shit up

[AssKissinger]

Let me give you the only medical information you should ever get from random strangers over the internet:

NEVER get medical information from strangers over the internet.

Consult a doctor if you have trouble with your medications. Seriously.

WORD

[Andocrates]

You kids are a bunch of hysterical nancyboys. Every drug has risks. Aspirin can cause aneurysms - and aneurysms can really fuck your shit up

Actually more people die from aspirin then any prescription drug available. 4 Americans die each and every day from Aspirin related causes. But while Paxil won't kill you, it can sure screw up your life.

[FG Lurker]

Bullshit, if you are selective the information you get off people far surpasses the doctors.

Riiiight.. You should always trust the anecdotal evidence from people taking psychoactive pharmaceuticals more than the instructions from a licensed professional with 8 years of Medical School who is supervising dozens of patients taking that drug.

As with most things, one needs to find balance.

Blinding believing what you read on the internet is foolish. Blindly believing a doctor who says "everything will be fine" can be foolish too... It is wise to use all sources of information available, weigh them appropriately, and then seek further treatment if you don't think you are OK.

Maybe I am biased by living for so long in Japan though. Whenever I get a med from a doctor here, I *always* look it up and figure out what side effects I might face, what exactly it does, and what the recommended doses are outside Japan.

There are some very good sources of medical information on the net -- and some total crackpot ones as well. Common sense is needed.

Ian

[AssKissinger]

A lot of the medicine they give is not available in the West. Maybe, it's almost the same but not quite, so there's no English name for the drug. In that case, unless you can figure what the names of the active ingredients are in English you will not be able to find any English information on the Internet. Of course, Paxil is available outside of Japan so there's lots of info. But with some of their tranqulizers and sleeping pills, who knows what you're getting into? All I know for sure is they'll put a stupid grin on your face and make you puke and your kidneys hurt if you take too many and mix with bourbon.

[Bongo]

Let me give you the only medical information you should ever get from random strangers over the internet:

NEVER get medical information from strangers over the internet.

Consult a doctor if you have trouble with your medications. Seriously.

Bullshit, if you are selective the information you get off people far surpasses the doctors. Doctors are almost always clueless about drugs past what is listed in the PDR.

http://www.paxilprogress.org/index.php

Yeah, and after all teh doctors only want to peddle more DRUGS!

[Charles]

Actually more people die from aspirin then any prescription drug available. 4 Americans die each and every day from Aspirin related causes. But while Paxil won't kill you, it can sure screw up your life.

Riiight. And 80% of all Americans who die of heart attacks consumed tomatoes or tomato products within 48 hours of death. People who consumed tomatoes before 1850 have a 100% mortality rate.

This is why doctors spend 8 years in med school, studying math, chemistry, physics, and the difference between causality and correlation. Doctors know things about medical literature that untrained amateurs aren't aware of, for example, the PDA lists side-effects for all drugs, but EVERY drug in the PDA lists two side effects, diarrhea and headaches, which are over-reported in every drug trial, and are required to be reported but can safely be ignored due to correlation with taking the drug, but not caused by the drug.

Doctors understand something that few people do: life has a 100% mortality rate. Most people are ill-equipped to properly evaluate health risks, they worry about taking benign drugs like aspirin but don't think twice about doing things that are much riskier, like driving too fast or eating a high-fat diet. But most of all, people with chronic depression or anxiety disorders are particularly ill-equipped to evaluate their own condition or appropriate medications. I know this all too well, having dealt with family members who were involuntarily committed to a psych ward.

Consult a doctor if you have any questions about medications. Do NOT consult random strangers on the internet, or TV commercials, for drug advice.

[FG Lurker]

A lot of the medicine they give is not available in the West. Maybe, it's almost the same but not quite, so there's no English name for the drug. In that case, unless you can figure what the names of the active ingredients are in English you will not be able to find any English information on the Internet.

I've never had problems getting information. I find out from the doctor what each med is, and then search in Japanese. Once I have the Japanese information that tells me what drugs they actually are, I search in English and get the detailed information that I want.

What I want to know is what the side effects are and if there is anything that I should really avoid doing/eating/drinking while on the meds. Or on the flipside, if there are certain things I should be doing/eating/drinking. I don't try to self-diagnose or self-medicate. I just want to be informed.

I always tell the docs this too, and they are surprised that I am even interested in such information. They have no problem helping me out with it though.

[Charles]

..I just want to be informed.

I always tell the docs this too, and they are surprised that I am even interested in such information. They have no problem helping me out with it though.

And there's the rub. In western medicine, the patient is presumed to be an active participant in treatment, with concepts like Informed Consent making it clear the patient makes all decisions in conjunction with the doctor.
But in Japan, it's pretty clear that patients are expected to take their doctor's word for everything, he's in command and you do whatever he says. I don't know if Informed Consent even exists, and I hope never to need serious medical care where I'd have to find out.

I'll give you a good example of Japanese medical attitudes. I got bronchitis when I was in school in Japan and the school arranged for me to go to a nearby clinic. The doctor wanted to give me a huge shot, must've been 300ccs, I never saw a syringe that big except at a veterinarian. I asked him what was in the shot, he said, "don't worry about it, it's free."

[FG Lurker]

I'll give you a good example of Japanese medical attitudes. I got bronchitis when I was in school in Japan and the school arranged for me to go to a nearby clinic. The doctor wanted to give me a huge shot, must've been 300ccs, I never saw a syringe that big except at a veterinarian. I asked him what was in the shot, he said, "don't worry about it, it's free."

LMAO!! Heheh...

I've been here quite awhile and know the Japanese medical system... The doctors are actually quite flexible most of the time, although there are of course exceptions to this rule. Dentistry here used to terrify me, but I've been introduced to a very good dentist who actually sterilizes his instruments -- properly too. Overall the care in Japan is quite good actually, although the culture is of course different to what many westerners are used to. I'd sooner have the health care here than have no coverage at all in the US. (Although having excellent coverage in the US would probably be better than what is offered here.)

As for the huge shot, 300ccs seems a wee bit excessive -- 300ml or 10 fluid ounces. But I get what you wanted to say. The shot was probably a super-vitamin combo shot that the doctors like to give out here. I've never had one but they are supposed to boost your immune system.

Ian

[Mels]

((Foody)) Glad to hear it isnt so bad.

My doc actually recommended Wellbutrin for smoking cessation for me. Well, it freaked me out....I did ask him what kind of effect it would have for someone who isnt and never had depression, he said, no side effects.

But I freaked....I work from home and became anxious and jumpy. Sure, one could say it was because I wasn't smoking, but I was still smoking.
Learned a good lesson...........Glad to hear you are off the pills ...Hopefully you wont need Paxil any longer...

[AssKissinger]

link

An extract of the herb St. John's wort was found to be slightly more effective than the widely prescribed antidepressant Paxil for people with moderate to severe depression