G4 crash

[vir-jin]

Sorry, it is me again with some help me, please- thread.

20 minutes ago my 18 moths old- guarantee expired G4 Powerbook crashed.
suddenly the screen went black and nothing get's it alife.
strange: after removing the battery and cable there is still a white light burning down the screen but I guess it's the hard disk, though.

Can anybody recommend the cheapest place in Tokyo to get it fixed?

I got my G3 repaired two years ago in some place in Akihabara near the JR north exit. the lump sum was around 50.000 Yen. It was like new afterwards, they exchanged every single component.

[mr. sparkle]

It sounds like your G4 PB's power manager got hosed. This has screwed me twice, so now I know how to deal with it. All you need to do is reset it.

First remove the battery.
Pop off the keyboard and look in the upper right corner of the PB.
There is a a small metal button there.
Use a ball point pen and click the button once.
Pop the keyboard back on.
Plug the computer in or put the battery back in.
Reboot your Mac.

If this does not work for you, don't pay 50,000 yen. Go to the Apple Ginza store and sign up for an appointment at the Genius Bar. It's free and a good experience.

Mac Heads Xmas is coming Tuesday! Steve Jobs keynote speech is Tuesday morning. Can't wait!

[vir-jin]

It sounds like your G4 PB's power manager got hosed. This has screwed me twice, so now I know how to deal with it. All you need to do is reset it.

First remove the battery.
Pop off the keyboard and look in the upper right corner of the PB.
There is a a small metal button there.
Use a ball point pen and click the button once.
Pop the keyboard back on.
Plug the computer in or put the battery back in.
Reboot your Mac.

If this does not work for you, don't pay 50,000 yen. Go to the Apple Ginza store and sign up for an appointment at the Genius Bar. It's free and a good experience.

Mac Heads Xmas is coming Tuesday! Steve Jobs keynote speech is Tuesday morning. Can't wait!

THANK YOU !I'm on my way. The ginza temple offers 10% discount to students, great decoy to get myself panther Ipod and bose headphones way back when I was wealthy can't wait for the show (sparkling eyes)

[goldenboy_ge]

I gonna ruin the whole mac party hehe and setup the Windows XP banner :P

Joke by side: Seriously, I'm pretty interested in the Panther OS, I keep on watching the video of the Panther demo at Apple website, it's very impressing.

[electrocat]

Joke by side: Seriously, I'm pretty interested in the Panther OS, I keep on watching the video of the Panther demo at Apple website, it's very impressing.

its a beautiful OS. Cant wait for Tiger tho. The new Ichat is awesome. ive used ichat video with Panter via a firewired Mini DV camera, and the quality is awesome.

[GridReaper]

I can't wait for the 4 person videoconference and the 10 person conference call ability in the next version of iChat.

NWN is so much better when I can voicechat with my friend who is playing in Hakone.

[goldenboy_ge]

More and more I got hypnotized by the nice and smooth user interface. But unfortunetely I couldn't use it as my main OS, because I have to work with apps that are only 100% Windows compatible. .. and what about games?! (>_<)

I got to work with hundreds of plug ins and software that are made with Windows and therefore only run on Win among thousand of other apps. Does 3D Studio Max even support Mac OS?! I don't know honestly (>_<) and I have to get familiar with this tool. Unlike other 3D apps, there's Maya 6 that fully supports Mac. I love both 3D apps, however there are tons of 3rd party tools integrated as an own software- and there are all Windows. I also need more power (By the way how much RAM does Mac have and support max?). 1024 RAM is more me a must, running many apps at the same time and to manage render and animation scenery in a short time as possible.

Everyone uses Photoshop, in my case I use Photoshop CS, and other graphic apps that don't support Mac, however for my need, I have to work with other tools too that are only Win.

[Caustic Saint]

Mac Heads Xmas is coming Tuesday! Steve Jobs keynote speech is Tuesday morning. Can't wait!

Nice that you'll be there to give us an FG report, as the rest of us will have to wait.

Steve Jobs is blacking out real-time webcast and satellite broadcast of his Macworld Expo keynote, according to an Apple note forwarded Thursday by a MacInTouch reader:

[Forwarded] Apple will not be making satellite coordinates available. Although the keynote WILL be available on our web site - it will NOT be available until sometime AFTER the keynote is over. They do NOT have a time determined, so it may not be immediately after the keynote is over.

[Charles]

More and more I got hypnotized by the nice and smooth user interface. But unfortunetely I couldn't use it as my main OS, because I have to work with apps that are only 100% Windows compatible. .. and what about games?! (>_<)

If you want games, get a Playstation. If you want Windows, get Virtual PC.

I got to work with hundreds of plug ins and software that are made with Windows and therefore only run on Win among thousand of other apps. Does 3D Studio Max even support Mac OS?! I don't know honestly (>_<) and I have to get familiar with this tool. Unlike other 3D apps, there's Maya 6 that fully supports Mac. I love both 3D apps, however there are tons of 3rd party tools integrated as an own software- and there are all Windows. I also need more power (By the way how much RAM does Mac have and support max?). 1024 RAM is more me a must, running many apps at the same time and to manage render and animation scenery in a short time as possible.

What, just 1Gb of RAM? That's puny. You can put up to 8Gb in a G5 desktop machine, but be aware that NO version of Photoshop can use more than 2Gb of RAM, not on a PC or a Mac. AFAIK there are more Mac Photoshop plugins than PC plugins.
Yes, 3DS runs on a mac. But you'd be better off with Maya 6 Unlimited, now that the full suite of gadgets like Motionbuilder, ProAnimator/Promodeler, ZBrush2 etc. have brought the Mac up to full parity with PC versions.
The Mac works a lot smoother than Windows with multiple applications running simultaneously. I recall one well-respected PC pundit that says you should run as few programs simultaneously as you can, you should always quit unused apps, and if you're doing something serious, reboot first. What a load of junk. I reboot my machine about every 3 months (only for a system update/reboot) and I rarely ever close an app, so they're always a mere click away.

Everyone uses Photoshop, in my case I use Photoshop CS, and other graphic apps that don't support Mac, however for my need, I have to work with other tools too that are only Win.

If you have a specific PC tool, there's probably an equivalent Mac app. What do you need that's holding you back?

[goldenboy_ge]

If you want games, get a Playstation. If you want Windows, get Virtual PC. <--- I got both

You can put up to 8Gb <--- that's a lot

Well, since all companies that I went to, worked with PC's and Win's, I hadn't much a chance to test out the Mac at all. Unfortunetely I cannot head over to my chief and recommend him using a Mac for now on.
Why is the Mac in minority?

As I mentioned before, I got to work with a lot apps, that were created under Win . These software are commonly home made by our programmers.

But I can imagine to use the Mac for my private purpose in the near future.

Thanks for the infos

[vir-jin]

It sounds like your G4 PB's power manager got hosed. This has screwed me twice, so now I know how to deal with it. All you need to do is reset it.
If this does not work for you, don't pay 50,000 yen. Go to the Apple Ginza store and sign up for an appointment at the Genius Bar. It's free and a good experience.

Mac Heads Xmas is coming Tuesday! Steve Jobs keynote speech is Tuesday morning. Can't wait!

Mr. Sparkle, you really made my day! Darling recovered from all diseases :P Steve Jobs should kiss your feet tuesday for supporting the ww apple net! Hope you have a lot of fun!

[Charles]

As I mentioned before, I got to work with a lot apps, that were created under Win :roll: . These software are commonly home made by our programmers.

Remember that MacOS X is Unix, it has X Windows and everything. You should pester your staff and tell them that REAL programmers don't write Windows software, all the really GOOD stuff is on Unix. There are actually more Unix programs available than Windows programs. Whatever they're writing, it's probably already been written for Unix.

[goldenboy_ge]

Well, it seems to me that I have to get more UNIX/Mac experience. Anyone tried out Linux from Red Hat, SuSe etc?

U wont believe me, but last year I tried Lindows, now (Linspire)- it's one of the worst OS I've ever seen, seriously.

[FG Lurker]

If you want games, get a Playstation. If you want Windows, get Virtual PC.

Getting a PS2 for games is fine. Virtual PC is *not* a solution for serious Windows needs however. For the occasional non-CPU intensive program that follows Microsoft's programming rules well, it is fine. Slow, but fine.

What, just 1Gb of RAM? That's puny. You can put up to 8Gb in a G5 desktop machine, but be aware that NO version of Photoshop can use more than 2Gb of RAM, not on a PC or a Mac. AFAIK there are more Mac Photoshop plugins than PC plugins.

GB Charles, GB. Not Gb. Two totally different meanings with an 8x difference in size. I run 2GB on my Windows box, could run 16GB if I was crazy. Yes, even PSCS is still limited to using the *first* 2GB of address space. More plugins for the Mac than for Windows? I can't find any numbers on that... Do you have any, or is it just a wild-assed guess?

The Mac works a lot smoother than Windows with multiple applications running simultaneously.

Bullshit.

Mac OS X is a great platform, and the PPC 970 is an awesome chip. However, saying that either Windows 2K/XP or Mac OS X is "better" at this type of thing is splitting hairs. It is possible to build situations to "prove" either position, but the reality is that both work well.

The historical reality is that Windows has had top-notch multitasking and a very stable platform since the NT4 kernel was released in the mid 90s. The Mac was stuck with task-switching and terrible stability problems until a relatively short time ago when OS X was released.

Ask yourself this: Would you go back to using OS 9 as your *only* Mac OS? Didn't think so. I would sooner stay with Windows XP, but it wouldn't kill me to use NT4.

I recall one well-respected PC pundit that says you should run as few programs simultaneously as you can, you should always quit unused apps, and if you're doing something serious, reboot first. What a load of junk.

Who? When? Where? How about a link?

That advice might be valid for Win9x or OS9 but it is no more accurate for Win2K/XP than it is for OS X.

I reboot my machine about every 3 months (only for a system update/reboot) and I rarely ever close an app, so they're always a mere click away.

Yes, now that you have OS X you can do this too. I've been operating that way since I started using NT 4.0 seven or eight YEARS ago.

If you have a specific PC tool, there's probably an equivalent Mac app. What do you need that's holding you back?

Yes generally speaking you can find the tools you need on the Mac. Adobe worries me a bit though, Apple has pissed them off a fair amount. Time will tell.

As I mentioned in another thread I've had Macs before and I nearly bought one this summer. I am *NOT* anti-Mac at all. OS X is a platform. XP is a platform. They are just tools for doing a job. In the end the PC was still better bang-for-my-buck than the Mac and I couldn't justify the 50% increase in price. And I would have had to keep a PC anyway for certain tasks. Maybe next time though. Or maybe my next notebook. We'll see.

[goldenboy_ge]

I think there's going to be a big discussion.

[FG Lurker]

Remember that MacOS X is Unix, it has X Windows and everything.

Hehe, don't tell SCO that, they'll try and sue Apple if there is anything left of them when IBM is finished. IBM is going to turn SCO into fine-grained powder though so it won't be a problem...

OS X is based on BSD.

[FG Lurker]

I think there's going to be a big discussion.

Nah, I don't get involved in OS religion wars.

I like Mac OS and the PPC970 chip a huge amount. I also like Apple's industrial design a lot too. I had Macs many years ago, and before that Apple IIs. I have an iPod now.

Apple has better industrial design than any PC I have yet seen. There are a few that come close, but Apple stuff is very nice. OS X is arguably more user-friendly and intuitive than Windows. But I don't care about that, I've been using computers for 25 years. I actually use the keyboard more than the mouse for menu navigation etc so for me Windows works out very nicely.

On the PC/Windows plus side is the fact that I can do whatever I want with my hardware. I bought a Coolermaster Stacker case (no bright dials down the front of mine!), and have tremendous flexibility in what I do with the machine. Currently it is set up as:

AMD Athlon 3500+ (Socket 939)
2GB PC3200 DDR
36GB 10,000rpm Boot/Application drive
Two 200GB 7200rpm Data Drives (400GB)
16x Region Free DVD Reader
12x DVD Writer
3.5" Floppy drive with USB2 Flash Reader
Usual assortment of Firewire/USB2 ports, audio, video, SCSI, etc.

If I want to add another 3 or 4 internal hard disks, no problem. Want a faster DVD burner, no problem. Everything is standard. Everything can be changed very easily. Takes ATX or BTX motherboards. Dual power supplies if I want.

This cost 220,000yen to build. I actually wanted to buy a Mac... But nothing came even close in price/performance.

It wasn't an emotional decision. I would have bought a Mac if it hadn't been so damn expensive and difficult to upgrade.

[FG Lurker]

I think there's going to be a big discussion.

Nah, I don't get involved in OS religion wars.

What does make me laugh though is that when NT4 and later Win2K were out, Mac users talked non-stop about how OS 9 was so much more intuitive and made them so much more productive.

If the terrible stability, lack of proper memory management, or poor multitasking issues were brought up they were glossed over as not being serious problems. OS 9 was "good enough".

OS X 10.0 was released in 2001. The first version was interesting but not very useful -- this is not unusual for such a major OS release though. Microsoft went through this with NT 3.1 many years before. OS X became a world-class OS with the release of version 10.2 in 2002. Suddenly Mac users could experience a high performance OS with excellent stability, proper memory management, and real multi-tasking! It was as if the world changed... Suddenly these features were raved about as if they had never existed before!

These types of things make me laugh.

[goldenboy_ge]

Part 1

[color=darkblue]OS X is arguably more user-friendly and intuitive than Windows. [/color[color=blue]<--- I think the Win XP vs Mac fraction would argue about it. In my opinion, Win XP has the better user interface. However we have to define what is "better". On the other hand Mac OS has a much more innovative interface and outstanding design.

But the style of Windows can be changed easily, and if u want u can change the whole desktop and OS environment with tools such StyleXP, Windowblinds and the list goes on. If u want the dock bar like in Mac OS, then u can get a special app for that. Turn ur PC with ur favorite theme, with any look. AND if that's not enough, transform ur PC into Mac easily:
http://features.engadget.com/entry/8828351836181248/

Take a look at http://www.themexp.org - u'll find wonderfil Bootup screens, Visual styles and more. I think I have explained the versatile spectrum of the WinXP style options.
Windows XP can guarantee the user a fast application and task access in many ways. It consists of keyboard shortcuts, fast accessible app runs through the "Start bar" at the bottom. But what makes the trademark of Windows is, that it's highly customizable, from A to Z. U got a clear overview what apps are currently running on both OS, however WinXP is much more clear and more "user friendly" in terms of system, software, hardware etc management. The system preference has a great overview and it's not "messed up" like in Linux where u have to click urself through many menus.
In case of PC vs Mac case design, we really don't have to get into this. If u have seen anything about "Case Modding" then u know what I'm talking about. It doesn't have to be a PC that looks so freaked, there are millions of PC respectively Case Modders who are developing high end kick ass PC cases that surpasses the Macintosh/Apple design.

[FG Lurker]

I think the Win XP vs Mac fraction would argue about it.

OS religious nuts will argue about *anything*. They are always pointless arguements too cause neither side ever listens to what the other has to say.

I've been through Commodore 64 vs Apple II wars. Apple II vs IBM PC wars. Atari ST vs Amiga wars. UNIX vs VAX/VMS wars. Windows vs Mac wars. And probably a few I forget.

They all take too much time, and they are all totally pointless.

[DJEB]

Unfortunately, THIS has been my Mac experience.

[goldenboy_ge]

In case u wanna have a *look* what is going on in the Mac Vs Win scene, then check this out

http://www.xvsxp.com/
http://macvspc.info/
http://www.kottke.org/98/11/my-mac-sucks http://www.eskimo.com/~webguy/writings/winsucks.html

Maybe u haven't noticed it yet, we forgot the Linux community, they also got something to say.

[FG Lurker]

In case u wanna have a *look* what is going on in the Mac Vs Win scene, then check this out

Actually I have no interest... No offense.

Maybe u haven't noticed it yet, we forgot the Linux community, they also got something to say.

Yep, forgot to mention that one. Linux vs BSD. Another war, ongoing, that I have been through too. I run Linux on my firewall.

I've done the OS-war thing... Really, it's pointless.

[goldenboy_ge]

Linux vs BSD, I would not even read or listen to that .....

[FG Lurker]

Linux vs BSD, I would not even read or listen to that .....

I don't either...

The last "war" that I had any involvement in was laughing at Mac users who were trying to argue that OS9 was better than Windows 2000.

[goldenboy_ge]

At least u were in one of those wars, and u made it through and ur still alive with an AMD.

By the way, I also use AMD Athlon, I love it. I wanted to get a Sepron (or Seperon or whatever ) I don't know the name right now.

[Skankster]

The last "war" that I had any involvement in was laughing at Mac users who were trying to argue that OS9 was better than Windows 2000.

If you are doing graphics or DTP... it is. Maybe not for web though.

[Skankster]

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Unfortunately, THIS has been my Mac experience.

That was too funny.
That guy must be a little dense trying to edit on a imac though.
PC based editing sucked for years and years and they are still just starting to get it right. W2K based editors sucked just the same.

[Skankster]

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I bought a Coolermaster Stacker case .

That thing LOOKS noizy!

36GB 10,000rpm Boot/Application drive
Two 200GB 7200rpm Data Drives (400GB)

I did not realize that you could have your boot/app drive so small!
Does that include your MyDocs folder?
How do you designate that to a different drive?

[FG Lurker]

The last "war" that I had any involvement in was laughing at Mac users who were trying to argue that OS9 was better than Windows 2000.

If you are doing graphics or DTP... it is. Maybe not for web though.

OS9 is a pile of steaming dogshit that is only surpassed in stability problems by Windows ME or perhaps the very first version of Windows 95.

When I was working on my own as a consultant I had office space in a building that was mostly occupied by designers. Of course most of these guys (and a few women) had Macs, and as this was 1998-99 everything was OS 9. They loved their Macs, but they had constant stability problems, and they were very vocal about this.

There was one guy who had an NT4 box that he used for some CAD work. He complained one day that NT was no more stable than OS 9, maybe even worse. This was pretty shocking news to me, and I really wondered how he could come to that conclusion. He swore up and down that it crashed or randomly rebooted all the time when he was working on it. I offered to take a look at the machine for him and it didn't take long to see the problem -- the heat sink wasn't mounted properly on the CPU and there was about a millimeter of air between the CPU heat spreader (P2 or P3 450) and the heat sink. After I remounted it for him the problems vanished.

You might be able to argue that OS9 had a better *interface* than NT4, or that there was better software available for certain types of work. But trying to argue that it is a better OS will be met with gales of laughter. From me at least.