[ismetony]

I love school girls but this is just a fantasy that I have in my head. I would never act upon this.

[GomiGirl]

I love school girls but this is just a fantasy that I have in my head.

I am curious to understand why this is such a fantasy?

Is it because you know that it is wrong which makes it more appealing or is there something actually attractive about prepubesents that I just can't see.

I can apprecate most things - even if I don't necessarily agree - but with the school kids or younger - I just don't get it...

I am quite serious in this question.. but if you just put up the post to be a troll - then don't bother.

[ismetony]

I am talking post pubesent. You know, like 16-17-18 year old school girls just on the verge of being sexually active. Even if they did have hair, I would encourage them to shave it off. I mean come on, women should take care of themselves in that area.

[American Oyaji]

You would find that if it were not illegal, men would find a very HIGH interest in girls of that age of 16 - 18.

[GomiGirl]

But why??? I know that it will be like trying to explain why you like a certain type of art - but I am really curious...

To me, young girls are just that - and should be with young boys and not with older guys who are trying to be young again... or worse, dirty old men who can't hold their own in company of their peers.

Or perhaps is it more interesting because deep down you know that there is something wrong with it - ergo making it more exciting. This in itself is quite disturbing on many levels.

Perhaps if it was legal then there would be less interest.

[cstaylor]

But why??? I know that it will be like trying to explain why you like a certain type of art - but I am really curious...

Perhaps it makes the old guys feel young again? Maybe this is a question for Kamome?

[kamome]

But why??? I know that it will be like trying to explain why you like a certain type of art - but I am really curious...

Perhaps it makes the old guys feel young again? Maybe this is a question for Kamome?

Well, first of all, I'm not that old, so I wouldn't hook up with a high school chick just to "feel young". I think that high school girls are a fantasy because they are adorable and cute. Their youth is sexually attractive, as is their naivete. Maybe there's also something about deflowering a girl for the first time.

I've never gone there myself, though. Only dated girls in my age bracket.

[hanabi]

Their youth is sexually attractive, as is their naivete. Maybe there's also something about deflowering a girl for the first time.

This tells me that the guys who are interested in teenagers are not able to deal with women on an equal footing. Is the thrill in taking care or them or in "corrupting" them?

[GomiGirl]

What this says to me is that these guys are insecure of having comparisons made with other guys... paranoid that they will not "measure" up".

But honestly I think it is all about power and control... preying on young girls because they can't get it anywhere else...

However, heaven forbid that anyone looks sideways at their daughter/sister etc.... but every schoolgirl is somebody's daughter/sister.

Such a double standard....

[ismetony]

Yes, I am a dirty old man and I have plenty of insecurities...deal with it!

[GomiGirl]

I have plenty of my own insecurities to deal with - they make us human.

I don't think I have time for yours too.....

I think people need to take responsibility for their own insecurities and not dump them on other (innocent) people - that is about being a grown up.

Just my two cents.

[hanabi]

You can argue there's a difference in life experience, but at some point adults have to be able to take resposibility for their own decisions.

If a 60-year-old woman shacks up with a 22-year-old young buck, more power to the both of them.

You have to admit that there's a huge difference between 16 and 22. That's why there are laws against statutory rape. Why else would you (not you specifically) want a naive person if not to trick them into doing something a more seasoned person wouldn't do?

God, I'm bitter.

While I agree that adults have to be responsible for themselves, life experience does count. And to go after someone with considerably less life experience than yourself (again, the general you) indicates that you want to be the only adult in that relationship. (Okay, that's a generalization and there are exceptions to every rule, but you know what I mean.)

[ismetony]

You people kill me.

It's Japan that we live in and it's Japan that affords one the opportunities to live out one's fantasies.

I am only in this country to take advantage of my uniqueness.

[American Oyaji]

Here is a thought. Only a thought.

Men in their hearts desire innocence. Its rare to find a woman over 20 who is innocent at heart or hasnt been fucked up in her head by prior relationships with men who were the scum of the earth. Women may carry more baggage than men when a relationship fails.

But more importantly, there is historically a tendencey for older men to marry younger women. Also younger women tend to want to be with older men. Yes, the reverse does indeed hold true. Me and some guys on the basketball team in high school were discussing how many girls in our school preferred dealing with older men. i.e. men older than high school age and in college or beyond. This was 11-13 years ago for me, however when speaking to those of my father's generation, the same thing occured. And it wasnt always the older men seeking out the young women. In many cases it was vice versa. These girls going to clubs and parties where they know older men will be with the idea of getting with these guys.

The onus cannot be placed entirely on the men.

Even historical marriages placed a young woman in her late teens (after 15) with an older gentleman.

I believe that women tend to be at their most "appealing" stage between 16-22. They even smell different. Perhaps in order to attract a husband, nature makes it so. (I have an uncanny sense of smell. Perhaps to make up for my poor eyesight). It is also a fact that women are most flexible during this period as well as most fertile. However women tend to know what they want once they reach about 28. This is when they are more sexually desireable. Perhaps as they get older they stop playing games and are more direct with their desires. Again these are generalizations, and dont apply to all women, but I believe they apply to most. My "research" supports this as well as speaking with men from 3 different generations. They generally agreed with this.

Again, these are only thoughts.

[cstaylor]

...and here I thought I had ended this thread with a Kamome handgrenade...

[quote="Hanabi"]You have to admit that there's a huge difference between 16 and 22. That's why there are laws against statutory rape. Why else would you (not you specifically) want a naive person if not to trick them into doing something a more seasoned person wouldn't do?

God, I'm bitter. ]Can we get some details here?

[cstaylor]

For me, there is a femininity that Japanese women cultivate and hold on to that is perpetually alluring. American women, on the average, don't seem to value this as much

I think you're talking about "the voice". When American women speak, their voices sound flat. You can really tell the difference when you go to Narita and the Japanese women at the desk insist on speaking English You can tell they had Americans for their English training when their voices sound like fingernails on a chalkboard

[Blah Pete]

This sounds like the bait and switch technique that is outlawed in the US.
Example: Newspaper ad for Sony Walkman for 10,000 yen, 3,000 yen cheaper than the competition. The store doesn't actually have any Sony Walkmen in stock, but when the crowds arrive they are offered a comparable product made in China that is 'just as good' for the same price.

So this bar has these young sexy girls bringing in the clients with promises of asobi, etc. When these guys get in the the club they will find the women who is going to 'service' them is over 60 and has a few teeth missing...

[GomiGirl]

Baggage - interestingly I had a conversation about this the other day. Everybody has baggage - but it is how you (the general you) deal with it that shows the strength of your character.

But the difference that I have seen is that while*most* men claim to have no baggage it is there - hiding just waiting to come and bite you when you least expect it. At least *most* girls that I know freely admit to their baggage and deal with it.

But we have drifted off the point. Originally we were talking about young young girls ie children which is a completely different issue to late teens. Kiddie porn/sex is never sexy or cool.

I can completely understand why most models are between 16-20. they look fantastic. Skin not yet exposed to environmental effects, gravity (a girls *best* friend) and the like. But saying that they smell differently because they are more fertile - what a load of BS.

Truth is that men are at their sexual peak at the age of 18 or so and women don't reach it until late 20's - 30's. Most men can't keep up with women of this age unless vitamin V is involved. How many of my friends lament that their boyfriends/husbands can't keep up. That makes for alot of insecurity.

I have no problem with interacial dating or different ages as long as both parties are consenting adults.... A girl at 16 doesn't fit into that description. 18 maybe - depends on the girl. To be a consenting adult, a person needs to be in control of their life so that someone bigger, stronger or more cunning doesn't control them and take away their sense of identity. Everybody wants others to conform to their own wish-list of characteristics (don't get me started on men who like to brag about their wish lists in what they want in a chick - they are usually the single ones).

It is best to just get to know someone and enjoy them - or not - for who they are and not what you want to fit neatly into you life.

How did I get onto this tangent??? Perhaps younger women fit into the easy to manipulate category - or perhaps they have more time on their hands to devote to the narcissic whims of the men who want to date them.

p.s. nickthetrick you made my day.

[American Oyaji]

They smell different because of their age. Its different than an older woman. Dont ask me what it is. I cant describe it, but I've smelled it for years. I can also smell when a woman is horny. You may say its bs, but my nose has never steered me wrong.

Fertility is because of their age. Women are at their most fertile during that period.

[hanabi]

You may say its bs, but my nose has never steered me wrong.

You're scary. This is like a superpower or something. Out of curiosity, you can't smell the difference in men too, can you?

[Jack]

I think the schoolgirl phenomenon in Japan is interesting though I do not agree with it. It is difficult to explain as I am also attracted to them but I resist unless they are of legal age. The attraction is the satisfaction of conquering something. Making a girl do what you want to do leads one to believe that he is desired and that makes him feel good. Some men get aroused by the thought of taking an innocent girl and making a hooker out of her by paying whatever money it takes to make her have sex.

A co-worker of mine (not Japanese) went to Thailand 15 years ago and had sex with a 12 year old prostitute. He was 42 then. He had taken pictures of her and of the act, to prove that he had done it. I have never spoken to that man again since then. People of low morale there are tons of them, not only in Japan.

[American Oyaji]

You may say its bs, but my nose has never steered me wrong.

You're scary. This is like a superpower or something. Out of curiosity, you can't smell the difference in men too, can you?

No, I just have a real sensitive nose. My friend in college tried hiding from me behind a door in a room we were working in. I went in and told him to come out. He said how'd you know I was there? I said I smelled him. Which was true. He had a strong odor.

As for men, men smell the same except if they are drug users. Cocaine users have an odd odor.
I associate things in my life with the way the smell and sound. When I went in the Air Force, they said I had perfect hearing. My eyes are VERY bad. I've worn glasses since I was 5.

So for me, if a woman smells bad, its hard to get interested. But I dont like a lot of perfume. Just a dab. Too much makes me sneeze. (I have hay fever). But just a little of the right perfume can get me going all night. (literally). Good smells stimulate me.

[kamome]

I partially agree with Gaisarada in that men don't like young girls just for the sense of domination. However, that applies more to gaijin men. I think Japanese guys like high school girls because they are easy to dominate. Haven't we read other articles in this forum about oyaji going after younger and younger girls because J-women are growing more assertive?

My generalization: gaijin guys like younger women (of any ethnic group) because they are more attractive and/or cuter than older women. Japanese guys like 'em young for their submissiveness.

Now, when it comes to REALLY young girls (pre-pubescent), that is a sickness. The dude who went to Thailand and had sex with a 12 year old committed both a moral and a legal crime. I hope he gets hanged.