China vs. Japan: Who Will Win?

[Samurai_Jerk]

Hardly a month goes by without new irritants in relations between Japan and China. Recent grievances range from a soccer riot and submarine intrusion to dominion over a lighthouse and the granting of a visa to an octogenarian ...
Political relations may be at their lowest point in decades as Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's government becomes more assertive toward China, ending a policy of seeking to avoid confrontation ...
Last week, Tokyo announced that the Japanese Coast Guard had assumed the maintenance of a private lighthouse on one of the islands, set up by a right-wing group in 1986 as a symbol of Japanese sovereignty.

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[Mels]

WTF...continuing saga.......as the infamous Rodney King blurted out
'can't we all just get along....?' Hell no, that would be to simple.

[AssKissinger]

China vs. Japan: Who Will Win?

China

[Mulboyne]

Taipei Times: Two tigers prowling in one forest
...Pessimists now fret that Asia is not big enough for both China and Japan: You "can't have two tigers in one forest." Optimists counter that China and Japan can cooperate, acting as the "dual engines" of Asian development. Japan expert Feng Zhaokui takes the middle ground, arguing that relations between the two countries will be marked by the coexistence of both cooperation and conflict. Recent developments suggest that a purely cooperative bilateral relationship is unlikely, to say the least. If we are lucky, Feng may be right. But if we are not, we could witness the emergence of a new and dangerous political fault line in East Asia.

[Big Booger]

China vs. Japan: Who Will Win?

China

Depends on who is backing the two.

[AssKissinger]

China vs. Japan: Who Will Win?

China

Depends on who is backing the two.

If you mean America, China would smoke America's ass like a Castro cigar.

[cstaylor]

If you mean America, China would smoke America's ass like a Castro cigar.

Just wait until China has their first *real* recession, and they we'll talk.

[AssKissinger]

If you mean America, China would smoke America's ass like a Castro cigar.

Just wait until China has their first *real* recession, and they we'll talk.

I mean in a war. China could defeat any country in the world in a war.

[Big Booger]

If you mean America, China would smoke America's ass like a Castro cigar.

Just wait until China has their first *real* recession, and they we'll talk.

I mean in a war. China could defeat any country in the world in a war.

I didn't mean as in one country per se. I meant in a more worldly effort.

[Big Booger]

[GuyJean]

I'm with AK on this; China would kick the world's ass right now if the US was slow to act with nukes..

Think of China now as the US fifty years ago... Eager, confident, experimental, nothing to lose, everything to gain, citizens willing to be sacrificial lambs, etc.. the West are panzies - fat, lazy, 'unbalanced', spoiled, energy addicted monkeys..

Personally I don't see it happening, but if China played their cards right over the next fifteen years, they'd be looking back, laughing at the Pan-American century..

GJ

[cstaylor]

If you mean America, China would smoke America's ass like a Castro cigar.

Just wait until China has their first *real* recession, and they we'll talk.

I mean in a war. China could defeat any country in the world in a war.

You mean like WW2?

A land war in China, yes, but China projecting force outside of its territory? I don't think they'd last very long.

[Maths Dude]

Japan will lose because the J-men these days are piss weak pansies. After WW2 the Yankes pacified the nation, the old ways are probably gone forever. Also, the hatred of the C-man for the J-man is alot more not to mention that there are 10 times more chinese than there are Japanese. It would be interesting to see how long Japan will allow itself to be butt fucked by China before they finally shake off thier weakness.

[AssKissinger]

Just a repeat of other articles but a here's another link

Japan Cruising for a Bruising

[Big Booger]

I will say this, back after WWII, no one though Japan could come from the level of destruction to a global leader in under 20 years...

And all it would take is a policy of militarism in Japan to be rolled down from the top, and this whole country would take on the military way without much effort and opposition...

I don't know who would win between China and Japan. Japanese are quick to change but slow to start.. if given a kick in the ass by the government... who knows....

LEt's hope for the stability of this region that a war never breaks out between the two.

[Big Booger]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China's growing military and its threat to Taiwan will be primary topics of conversation when foreign and defense ministers from the United States and Japan meet Saturday, State Department officials said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will hold talks with their Japanese counterparts at the State Department as part of a regular formal dialogue on the U.S.-Japan Security Alliance, a cornerstone of U.S. national security interests in East Asia.

The Washington Post reported in Friday's editions that Saturday's discussions will include a focus on Taiwan as a new security concern. The paper also suggested a communiqué issued after the talks would call for Japan to take a greater role in coordination with U.S. forces in Asia.

The talks come as the United States considers how to realign the nearly 50,000 U.S. forces in Japan.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/18/us.japan/index.html

[ramchop]

[ichigo partygirl]

[Buraku]

China vs. Japan: Who Will Win?

China

Depends on who is backing the two.

If you mean America, China would smoke America's ass like a Castro cigar.

is this possible ?

Japan looks to fight the South Koreans

Japan is cruising for a bruising

TOKYO (AFP) - Japan said it had placed under state control a lighthouse built by nationalists on a disputed island in the East China Sea despite rival claims by China and Taiwan.

The 5.6-meter (18-foot) lighthouse was erected in 1988 by Japanese right-wing activists to mark a claim on Uotsuri-jima, the largest of the Senkaku Islands, known as Diaoyu in China, which lie between Taiwan and Japan.

devicenull wrote:
Well, this is a really stupid time for Japan to rattle sabers with it's soon to be largest trading partner. China is modernizing and as far as I am aware is still undecided on the number of old nukes it will be replacing with new long range nukes. They are only kept for deterrance as of right now, and everything long range relies on liquid fuel with the warhead stored about 10km away from the launch site. It takes half a day to fuel these things up and launch.

They only have a handful of them too. They are replacing them with solid fuel rockets and an attached warhead on mobile platforms. They just don't know how many to build.

On the Taiwan issue, the US supports the status quo, and as it is now, Taiwan will not be attacked. Taiwan WILL be attacked if they declare independance though. China is not going to attack Japan first, and if Japan attacked first, I'm pretty sure the US wouldn't stand for it, seeing as how much trade is conducted with China. Also, Japan would get nuked (again) pretty fast for that.

There is much debate on this one see more info in the Do you support EU's plan to lift the arm ban on China? thread -
The Chinese have already come out of the Asian economic crisis without a scratch, and production is set to rise inside the country, the Chinese also have a huge labour force and China is a market of over 1.3 billion people, there is also info that Shanghai Auto is buying 48.9 percent of South Korea's Motor Company and the Chinese are in talks with Britain's MG Rover towards setting up a venture....Look at how Chinese industrial production and political reform is going, the days where the words communist dictatorship were used to describe the nation have passed. The Chinese economy has been growing at a rate of about 9 percent per year since the beginning of 1980, is what is said by many Western economists. It is also a market of 1.3 billion people , this also means they have a huge labour force and can produce stuff quicly and cheaply. They have also said they are more open in their space quest and are will to work openly with the Western nations. More recently China has been working closely with the ESA's study of Earth's magnetosphere, going with Europeans Cluster / Double-Star mission.
Recently China has also been updating its missiles and other military designs. China has launched the first submarine in a new class of nuclear subs designed to fire intercontinental ballistic missiles. It was widely known China was building the new class of nuclear-missile submarine, called the Type 094 but the launch is far ahead of what U.S. intelligence expected. China recently deployed a new torpedo that can break the sound barrier underwater using a pricipal called supercavitation. The US and NATO torpedos max out well under 100 knots. China is working on a cruise missile version of that torpedo that can be launched far off the coast of the US, come screaming in at over Mach 1, and then 'pop up' out of the water at the last second and strike. The United states the Pentagon said China's cache of ICBMs could increase to 30 by next year, the Chinese already have quiet a few Nuclear missiles so with the French and their atomic bomb testing and Russia doing new weapons the Chinese now have an excuse to update their systems. Some missiles and nuclear warheads the Chinese have already worked on are the, its been looking at MIRVs, ICBMs and studying the ability of Neutron bombs it maybe will change. China plans to triple its long-range missilesand & trying to make missiles like the CSS-4ADF-5A icbm , a DF-21A, the CSS-6, a CSS-4, the DF-4, a CSS-X-10 and the JL-21A it also has others that it hasn't given full info to the public about but you can read up on writings from US militray experts. Orion posted in the China debate thread and said ' I vote yes. EU already has sold many parts and system to help China modernization efforts.
Might as well lift the ban and turn the favor to economic gains.'
Also check out the info posted in U.S.A banks to dump useless bush-Dollars 4 Strong Euros !!
Ban on stem cell research and "gay" marriages reminds me of authoratian religious regimes that the US wants to change in the Middle East.
Religion USA versus Religion Islam ?
check out the FT report financial times , Rising Powers: How the U.S. Became the World's Dispensable Nation by Michael Lind
In a second inaugural address tinged with evangelical zeal, George W. Bush declared: "Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world." The peoples of the world, however, do not seem to be listening. A new world order is indeed emerging - but its architecture is being drafted in Asia and Europe, at meetings to which Americans have not been invited.
tt2xr remarked that Every dog has it's day - America is the top dog now, but nothing lasts. The UK was there 100 years ago, but now it's a shithole ... and the US is going the same way.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13104&st=30
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41644
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=808

[Socratesabroad]

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13104&st=30
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41644
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=808

You're still quoting other message board threads to make your point??!?!?

[Buraku]

You're still quoting other message board threads to make your point??!?!?

that Au Contraire post got me thinking http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11113
anyway the China threads make a good read, some say they'll continue growing + 2008 will be their big year with a floating RMB, lunar missions, and the Olympics

[Buraku]

Just a repeat of other articles but a here's another link

Japan Cruising for a Bruising

more of it here
read the reports in

Japanese hicks plan to reclaim South Korean island

Taiwanese frigate Versus Japanese military
Japanese patrol boats often stop Taiwanese
so now Taiwan sends out its military and the Knox-class frigate

S.Korean, Japan Coast Guard Are Locked in Standoff Over Boat



http://www.fuckedgaijin.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9684&start=10

"Sexy China Casts Shadows on a Not-Rising Sun"

[Buraku]

Japan, Russia 'completely opposite' on isle dispute

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that Russia will prioritize China over Japan as the recipient of oil supplies from an oil pipeline project linking eastern Siberia with the Russian Far East.


Both Japan and China have tried to convince Russia to favor it in the planning of the pipeline's route. Russia had at one point last year agreed to build a 4,180-kilometer pipeline from Taishet near Lake Baikal to Nakhodka on Russia's Sea of Japan coast, Japan's preferred route. But in April this year, Moscow issued an order for the pipeline to be built from Taishet to the halfway point at Skovorodino near the Russian China border, triggering worries in Tokyo that oil supplies would go to China first

[homesweethome]

[emperor]

[quote="homesweethome"]Japan, China]

Mongolia: while Japan and Chinas Navy's are busy take pot-shots at each other next to that stupid rock: they'd scale the great wall and march on Beijing, and land the Mongolian fleet at Hokkaido and Kyushu (after checking the weather forecast)..

[IkemenTommy]

Japan will run out of ammo before the overwhelming number of the Chinese army pour in.

[cstaylor]

China has never won a war with a country not directly accessible by land, regardless of PRC propaganda pver WW2.

[IkemenTommy]

There is no need to mobilize the army when they could launch icbm's at Japan. A couple of those rockets could flatten out Nippon in a heartbeat.

[IkemenTommy]

[homesweethome]

50 Destroyers
16 submarines
170 combat aircraft
900 artillery

All very modern and well equiped.
This doesn't include US naval forces which would surely provide support in any confrontation. They train with the US forces and the Americans say the Jap Navy is first rate. That doesn't mean the Chinese are a paper tiger though.

These are the ships the Chinese have down there now:
Fuzhou (DDG-137) Sovremmennyy
* Xiamen (FFG-515) Jianghu-I
* Nanping (FFG-517) Jianghu-1
* Dongdiao (AGM-851)
* Fuchi (AOR-886) Fuchi