Womens lib responsible for 3 deaths?

[Maths Dude]

Just read in the news that a man killed a judge and two others in a courthouse in the states because he overpowered a female cop while she lead him into the court.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050312/ap_on_re_us/courthouse_shooting

Personally I think this was bound to happen. Unless she one big ass woman, women shouldnt be handling dangerous criminals, period. Thanks alot womens lib.

[Samurai_Jerk]

Fucking ridiculous. When will people just admit that men and women are different. I've seen female officers on COPS before totally losing control of a situation until the men arrive. There are two problems: one --the obvious-- women aren't and strong as men, two, they are more likely to be attacked since they don't command as much respect.

[AssKissinger]

Although I really shouldn't bother I've decided to save this thread with an old FG standby



Miniskirt Police

[Mels]

There have been times when the deputies are men and they were overpowered as well.
I am not a woman lib'er, I do want equal rights. But some lib'ers are over the board IMHO.
I think any criminal should be escorted by two people, men or women. And I would have to agree, if anyone, man or woman, cannot handle a confrontation, then they should not be escorting any criminal...heck I would not want Barney Fife (Don Knott's) 90 pound weakling to escort any criminal if I'm in the area:lol:

This was a very sad story....something that could have been prevented I am sure. Too bad.

[GuyJean]

Yeah.. Chicks, small dudes, and old people shouldn't be cops, fire fighters, soldiers, bouncers, or security guards, because I'm sure big cops have never been overpowered..

GJ

[Mels]

Fucking ridiculous. When will people just admit that men and women are different. I've seen female officers on COPS before totally losing control of a situation until the men arrive. There are two problems: one --the obvious-- women aren't and strong as men, two, they are more likely to be attacked since they don't command as much respect.

I definitely have to agree with you here regarding the physical attributes of women and men. As a woman, I am not strong as a man....unless I am some superwoman with great powers, most men would bring me down fast. So, on that end, no debate from me.

[Maths Dude]

I just read the BBC version of events.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4341043.stm

Notice how they avoid the use 'female'. Wonder who is pulling the strings in that company.

[Mulboyne]

This report appeared last week too.
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1672627,00.html

A youth and a 26-year-old man appeared in Hennenman magistrate's court on Monday after allegedly stabbing a friend and shooting at a policeman investigating the incident...[A] fight apparently broke out among three young men who allegedly were sniffing glue behind the stadium at Phomolong near Hennenman. An 18-year-old man was stabbed to death. Two policemen sent to investigate after the suspectes fled to a nearby hostel. One of the policemen was overpowered and his firearm taken. Two shots were fired at him and he was wounded in the face.

[Charles]

Oh ferchrissake people, get real here. Women's Lib did not kill 3 people, a psycho criminal did. The guy did not beat down some frail woman and grab her gun from her hands, he snatched it from her holster during a moment of inattention, which he could have done just as easily to a man, and WOULD have, if by chance a male deputy had been within range. Reports indicate the guy already got caught twice trying to sneak prison shivs into the courtroom, they had extra armed deputies on hand, which actually INCREASED his access to guns since more deputies means more guns in the courtroom.

When oh when will people learn a gun is more likely to be deadly to the person carrying it, than anyone else?

[Maths Dude]

According to the news report 'she was overpowered'. Get it right Charlie.

[Ketou]

Yeah.. Chicks, small dudes, and old people shouldn't be cops, fire fighters, soldiers, bouncers, or security guards, because I'm sure big cops have never been overpowered..

GJ

Cops, bouncers and security I agree with. Fire fighters and soldiers I most definately do not. I am ex-military and I can tell that the big blokes, on the whole, do not make it through special forces training. In many cases the smaller and more agile men make better soldiers.

[GuyJean]

In many cases the smaller and more agile men make better soldiers.

Smaller targets, too...

I was just spouting shit earlier.. Although, I don't think many women could carry my ass out of burning building..

GJ

[L S]

Personally I think this was bound to happen. Unless she one big ass woman, women shouldnt be handling dangerous criminals, period. Thanks alot womens lib.

The argument that women's liberation has something to do with the sad death of those 3 people is ludicrous and shows a deep prejudice. Mostly it is a huge leap of non-logic.

If the objective was to argue about women's ability to defends themselves, then that's a reasonable argument. But, you will loose.

If you pay any attention to the concept of self defense training and martial arts you will know a larger size person of greater strength can be controlled/defeated by a person of lesser size and strength. Japan has some great example of this, including...

Ryoko TAMURA, a.k.a Yawara-chan
Height / weight : 146cm/48kg

I am sure she could subdue you, me or any other FG on this site.

How about starting with real questions or criticisms like:

Why wasn't the police officer trained better?

Why wasn't the criminal kept in hand and ankle chains when outside his cell, especially after it was discovered he was making weapons (shanks) only days earlier?

Why didn't the court police commander put 2 or more guards on a criminal that the same judge just days before declared dangerous?

Owari...

[Mulboyne]

Why wasn't the criminal kept in hand and ankle chains when outside his cell, especially after it was discovered he was making weapons (shanks) only days earlier?

I wondered about that. Apparently it is unconstitutional. A defendant on his way to a court appearance should not be in restraints since it could compromise the presumption of innocence.

[Maths Dude]

I dont give a shit what you say, no 146cm women gonna kick my ass. They have weight divisions for a reason. Get it right.

And yes I do blame this 'equal rights' womens lib shit, in part, for what happend. Women should not be doing jobs like that. No woman cop is gonna drag my ass out of harms way, I can tell you that. They are merely a liability in certain situations. You will lose this argument because men have the muscle, women dont. End of story - you lose.

[L S]

Why wasn't the criminal kept in hand and ankle chains when outside his cell, especially after it was discovered he was making weapons (shanks) only days earlier?

I wondered about that. Apparently it is unconstitutional. A defendant on his way to a court appearance should not be in restraints since it could compromise the presumption of innocence.

I am pretty sure it has been done before, so not sure...will ask my bro who is a public defendor...

[Big Booger]

The better argument would be, why do they have guns in a courtroom? A stun gun or taser would be a much better choice IMHO. Considerably less lethal than a handgun, and yet able to subdue a criminal in the case of misconduct.

Plus, if the criminal were to get the stun gun or taser, there'd be less of a chance of death to all involved.

[GuyJean]

You will lose this argument because men have the muscle, women dont. End of story - you lose.

I probably know some home-grown women who could kick your ass.

I would assume you're from the city; city girls are pussies. I could kick all their asses.. at once! So there!

GJ

[Big Booger]

You will lose this argument because men have the muscle, women dont. End of story - you lose.

I probably know some home-grown women who could kick your ass. ]

Take a look:

http://wimp.com/mama/

I concur wholeheartedly with GJ on this one.

[kuri]

Although, I don't think many women could carry my ass out of burning building..

I can carry a person much more than my weight in the good old firemans lift? Last summer at karate camp I carried my sensei into the sea - he was well over 100kg...

But I wouldn't think I would make a good cop or bouncer.. I am only a short girl.. But also, what a crap job? Who would want to do that.

IMHO - Women's lib had nothing to do with this.. BTW what has this got to do with Japan anyway? me smells a troll...

p.s. this is GomiGirl on Kuri's computer.. (damn this is a 30inch cinema screen.. this thing is enormous!!! Plus the G5 which is purring beisde me - I mayy never leave this apartment again.. or I will ask Kuri to adopt me so I can use her computer all the time... )

[Mels]

You will lose this argument because men have the muscle, women dont. End of story - you lose.

I probably know some home-grown women who could kick your ass. ]

Take a look:

http://wimp.com/mama/

I concur wholeheartedly with GJ on this one.

THAT'S no woman!!!!!! She sure bitch slapped the hell out of that guy....who appeared drunk or strung out on dope.

[L S]

I dont give a shit what you say, no 146cm women gonna kick my ass.

A good kick to your balls could do it easily and even without a sucker kick/punch it is very doable for someone who is trained. A short visit by you to a jujitsu or judo dojo here in Tokyo can determine that.

They have weight divisions for a reason. Get it right.

I think the Gracie family has pretty much shown that weight class is not the primary determining factor in fighting.... technique is. Two of many examples:
Royce Gracie (below) defeated Dan Severn (2nd below) in the 1994 UFC finals who at the time weight 280lb to Royce's 178lb.



And the extreme and funny example...
12/04: Royce defeats Akenono. Akebono weighed in at 205kg (451lbs) and is 6'8", Gracie 81kg (178.5lbs), 6'1". Weight difference 272.5lbs.

How did he win...? A wrist lock!

And yes I do blame this 'equal rights' womens lib shit, in part, for what happend. Women should not be doing jobs like that. No woman cop is gonna drag my ass out of harms way, I can tell you that. They are merely a liability in certain situations. You will lose this argument because men have the muscle, women dont. End of story - you lose.

See, I always liked a lady in uniform...
I think I will leave it to the FG ladies to beat your hangup into submission if they so choose.

[mr. sparkle]

This story was on the news all day long yesterday. This morning, SWAT and federal agents swooped down on his ass at a girlfriend's apartment.

I can't believe what runs through these criminal's minds--you gotta be one crazy mo' fo' to shoot your way out of a courtroom. He's up on state and federal charges now. This boy's gonna fry for sure.

[Socratesabroad]

Personally I think this was bound to happen. Unless she one big ass woman, women shouldnt be handling dangerous criminals, period. Thanks alot womens lib.

Funny, because women tend to be better shots than men.

[Shooting instructor Martin] Fainblatt and several other instructors there hammered home some interesting facts: Among novices, women are better shots than men]http://www.smokemag.com/mark/1201.htm[/url]

GUN MYTH
Men are better shots than women.

Instructors, both of civilians and law enforcement officers, agree: women take direction, remain calm and handle firearms as competently, and often with higher rates of accuracy, as men.
http://www.blownawaythebook.com/

Incidentally, my sister the police officer graduated top of her class with the highest marksmanship.

And the biggest guy isn't always the best for the job.

I am ex-military and I can tell that the big blokes, on the whole, do not make it through special forces training. In many cases the smaller and more agile men make better soldiers.

I'll second that. The SF I worked with and Seals I met while stationed in Hawaii were not necessarily big guys, just very physically fit. And smaller guys always had an easier time with stuff like pull-ups that depend more on body weight than sheer strength.

You will lose this argument because men have the muscle, women dont. End of story - you lose.

Actually, I think I've just demonstrated how your thinking is flawed, so you in fact lose.

[GuyJean]

Hhhhhmmm. Notice the gender of the person escorting...

Atlanta Courthouse Killings Suspect Captured
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/12/atlanta.shooting/index.html

Nichols surrendered to authorities Saturday. Police said he had entered the apartment of a woman he didn't know and she managed to call 911 to report that he was there.

He was found in that apartment in the northern Atlanta suburb of Duluth, and gave up "without a struggle," said Maj. Edward Platt, with the Fulton County Sheriff's Department.

Another example of why women can be equal; men are dumb motherfuckers. What woman would commit 3 felonies, stay in the area, then commit a misdemeanor involving a witness with access to a phone?

GJ

[AssKissinger]

It looks like some bald black dude is giving him a blow job!

[Samurai_Jerk]

LS, yes, the Gracie family showed us that size and strength aren't everything. However, I train in Gracie jiu-jitsu and they sure as hell do make a difference. Of course, all things being equal, the bigger stronger guy will win. But a stronger guy can also beat a more skilled opponent. I used to train with a guy that was a world-class power lifter (his best dead lift was 380 kg). When that guy was a beginner he could tap out some higher belts just by grabbing and squeezing. He was so strong that, if he wanted to, he could put you in a bear hug and crush your ribs.

And if you guys think a small man is the same as woman the same size, you're fucking way off. I've wrestled with guys I outweight by 60 lbs that could over power me. Never wrestled with a woman who could (though some could certainly beat me). You can use the example of an Olympic judo gold medalist who probably could take out a lot of guys, but she's the exception that proves the rule.

I have no problem with women doing jobs that require physical strength as long as they have to pass the same test as every guy who applies for the job. But they often don't. I remeber seeing ads for holiday work at UPS when I was in college. Guys had to be able to lift something like 70 lb over their heads but for girls it was a lot less. I talked to some guys that worked there and they said it was fucking annoying, because regardless of how busy they were, when a heavy box came in they always had to stop and help out the female employees. What a bunch of shit.

[Marvin Feltcher]

Sorry!

[GuyJean]

It looks like some bald black dude is giving him a blow job!

Yes. The gender lines are fading..

GJ

[GuyJean]

Big Booger, that woman beating the shit out of the guy has got to be some of the funniest footage I've ever seen.
What a woman!

No shit!.. She keeps saying, "Come on. Get up! Punch me.."

GJ