Bann it damn it.

[Maths Dude]

The fact is, most rich people find a way around paying the proper amount of tax.

"Two billionaires in New York, the art dealer Alec Wildenstein and his former wife, Jocelyn, testified under oath in their divorce that for 30 years they never filed a tax return. They have not been prosecuted."

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headlines04/0411-05.htm

Your wrong Gomi. So go get fucked.

[AssKissinger]

In America, I'm going to try my best to only work in public education or social work.

How do you think those two types of jobs get their cash? Bowing and scraping to the private sector.

They need each other to survive.

The public sector certainly needs the private sector... But most private companies could do with a whole lot less public sector.

Well they need good schools.

So go get fucked

Good point Maths

[FG Lurker]

The fact is, most rich people find a way around paying the proper amount of tax.

The fact is that most rich people are smart enough to not have a lot of personal income. Everything is inside corporations, and well-run corporations don't pay a lot of tax.

[Maths Dude]

The rich can get away with murder and raping kids, just check out OJ simpson and Michael Jackson. I wonder how many kick backs your local politition is taking?

[Maths Dude]

"It's just the latest example of the looting of Bolivia's natural resources, which leaves the country poorer than ever."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_27/b3890167_mz058.htm

The rich are just greedy, selfish scum. Go get fucked rich pricks, and all those who support them.

[Maths Dude]

Very long link

"While corporate officers are getting rich and paying politicians to "look the other way", public companies are avoiding millions in income taxes. In 1999,the Standard and Poors 500 Companies accumulated $15.5 billion in options related tax benefits. There are two constituents who foot the bill, stockholders (through dilution) and the Treasury Department (through tax benefits). You can add the American taxpayer as well. TAXES NOT PAID BY THESE COMPANIES BY ISSUANCE OF STOCK OPTIONS MUST BE PAID BY SOMEONE - NAMELY THE AMERICAN FAMILY! In Fortune (12/19/2000) Carol Loomis states, "The weird effect of stock options erased the need for Cisco to pay taxes. I pay more in taxes than Cisco and, so do you ". And, the same is true of many other companies. "

Fuck off you rich supporters.

[FG Lurker]

You can't have it both ways Maths Dude.

If companies paid more and more in taxes they would end up expanding less and hiring fewer people. If taxes were raised further they would then cut staff, thus creating more situations like you were whining about earlier on.

Companies may pay less income tax but they are what drives the economy. Throttle back companies with more and more taxes and you'll fuck the economy, thus putting more people out of work and raising taxes for the people still working.

So, which way do you want it?

Beyond all that though, a company is only a piece of paper. Rather than bitching about how much money companies make, why don't you invest in some of them and partake in making some of that money? In the end the company doesn't get rich, the shareholders do.

[FG Lurker]

Would some kind mod please turn the 250 character long link in Math Dudes' post into a "url" tagged shorter version?

Or just replace it with this one instead: http://tinyurl.com/9a629

[kurohinge1]

...

Here's some cheese to go with the whine



"Don't judge a person by their clothes" goes both ways.

Live honourably, change what you can for the better. Whining about what you can't improve is a waste of energy that you could've devoted to something useful.

Also, some people feel success in things other than money.

[FG Lurker]

In Fortune (12/19/2000) Carol Loomis states, "The weird effect of stock options erased the need for Cisco to pay taxes. I pay more in taxes than Cisco and, so do you ". And, the same is true of many other companies. "

The funny thing about this is that most companies didn't expense their stock options until it was recently legislated. [Edit: And it was legistlated because too many people were complaining that stock options should be a reported expense.]

So half the people who don't "get it" bitch about companies not expensing options. And the other half who don't "get it" bitch about companies that do expense options. No wonder the rich get richer and most of the rest of the population just sinks.

[Samurai_Jerk]

So half the people who don't "get it" bitch about companies not expensing options. And the other half who don't "get it" bitch about companies that do expense options. No wonder the rich get richer and most of the rest of the population just sinks.

Don't forget, as Maths Dude has shown us time and again, people are stupid.

[GomiGirl]

Would some kind mod please turn the 250 character long link in Math Dudes' post into a "url" tagged shorter version?

Or just replace it with this one instead: http://tinyurl.com/9a629

I wish somebody could teach him how to spell as well.

[FG Lurker]

Would some kind mod please turn the 250 character long link in Math Dudes' post into a "url" tagged shorter version?

Or just replace it with this one instead: http://tinyurl.com/9a629

I wish somebody could teach him how to spell as well.

I've given up hoping for such things.

Thanks to the mod who fixed the link!

[GomiGirl]

I don't know why MD is getting so uptight about so called Rich People or even people who are trying to explain to his tiny intellect how the system works. Telling everybody to fuck off is just a sign of ignorance.

You seem to think that a job is a right - wrong. If you work you get paid. If you are smart with your money you can have more of it later on. Bitching about people who have managed to do this is infantile.

Sure I hate the scammers and the theives and the criminals as much as you do. But I don't automatically assume that anybody who has money or runs a company is a liar and a thief.

But as somebody else said, success is not always measured by money and there are some people who I think are very successful have less money than me and trust me, I don't have much.

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[GomiGirl]

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Now communism as an economic model has been such a raging success [sarcasm] globally that it hardly rates a mention in practice - only in theroetical group-think discussions.

Well explain to me why chinese bras are such a threat to America.

[FG Lurker]

Now communism as an economic model has been such a raging success [sarcasm] globally that it hardly rates a mention in practice - only in theroetical group-think discussions.

Well explain to me why chinese bras are such a threat to America.

Because the Chinese government is allowing capitalism to thrive (as long as it suits them, anyway).

[Samurai_Jerk]

If you are smart with your money you can have more of it later on.

Enron

What's your point there? The Enron case is a great example of a lot of people being stupid with their money. If all of your investments depend on the success or failure of one company, you are not being smart.

[Mulboyne]

Beyond all that though, a company is only a piece of paper. Rather than bitching about how much money companies make, why don't you invest in some of them and partake in making some of that money? In the end the company doesn't get rich, the shareholders do.

Kyodo via Japan Today: No. of individual investors at record high
The number of individual investors in Japan rose 1.38 million to 35.39 million in fiscal 2004 from a year earlier, marking a record high for the ninth consecutive year, according to a survey compiled by Japanese bourses released Thursday. On the first sections of the Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya bourses, the rise in the number of individual investors was relatively small at 2%, but the number surged 30.2% in their second sections and emerging markets, such as the Mothers and the Hercules.