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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:34 am

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These days enemies of western countries dont get posters, they get flash movies and games made to demonise them instead...

I wonder if the taliban, bathists, and other factions that the pentagon keeps saying are one-and-the-same ever have time to make such posters about America?
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Postby Big Booger » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:41 am

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/german/exhibit/GDRposters/antiusa.html

Some interesting posters there.. but they are not from arabs, taliban et al... You might be surprise at the countries they are from...
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Postby Blah Pete » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:57 am

Good link BB.

Well I guess all the propaganda staff that used to work for Joe Goebbels got jobs with the new regime. Probably used some of the same material once the swastikas where airbrushed out...
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Postby Socratesabroad » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:17 am

Let's just say that I'm less than sympathetic...

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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:39 am

Nice link BB - shame the pics dont pop to larger res version though.

Big Booger wrote:You might be surprised at the countries they are from...


Not really, even in Ireland (a neutral country, but one with very strong ties to America) it seems many people take issue with US foreign policy and then others just arent aware of the history.

Wasnt it Bolivia to which 1000s of marines where sent to and killed a shit-load of people under some anti-Communist pretense? - but it was really because the new democratically elected govt. told the biggest fruit company in the country they could get away without paying taxes anymore - a couple of important guys in Washinton DC at the time maybe: the head of the CIA and someone in the senate held alot of shares in the company and were standing to lose a lot of money.... 150 years of shit like that and its getting worse :roll:
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:02 am

emperor wrote:Wasnt it Bolivia to which 1000s of marines where sent to and killed a shit-load of people under some anti-Communist pretense?

No.
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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:04 am

Charles wrote:
emperor wrote:Wasnt it Bolivia to which 1000s of marines where sent to and killed a shit-load of people under some anti-Communist pretense?

No.


WOW! Youre a fucking goldmine of information!!

.. I went and checked - it was Guatemala in 1954.
Eisenhower funded a right-wing miltary coup in the country, against the popular indian-dominated govt which expropriated land owned by Rockefellers United Fruit Company - it was offered compensation (based on its frudulent tax records). CIA-trained insurgents took power, returned all the land to the fruit company, abolished tax on interest and divedends to foreign investors, eliminated the secret ballot of elections and jailed thousands of political critics. Both Secretary of State John Foster Dulles and his brother CIA Director Allen Dulles were investors in United Fruit.

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Postby Kuang_Grade » Fri Jul 01, 2005 3:00 am

Workin' the irony angle, some have repurposed US WW2 posters for more current issues.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A13755-2003Jul5¬Found=true

http://www.micahwright.com/index3.htm

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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:02 am

emperor wrote:
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emperor wrote:Wasnt it Bolivia to which 1000s of marines where sent to and killed a shit-load of people under some anti-Communist pretense?

No.


WOW! Youre a fucking goldmine of information!!

.. I went and checked - it was Guatemala in 1954.

Last time I checked, Guatemala was not in Bolivia.
emperor wrote:Eisenhower funded a right-wing miltary coup in the country, against the popular indian-dominated govt which expropriated land owned by Rockefellers United Fruit Company - it was offered compensation (based on its frudulent tax records). CIA-trained insurgents took power...

You're kind of weak on this whole history thing, aren't you? The CIA didn't take power, they just helped the locals with their coup. Where's the documentation of thousands of US Marines killing "a shit-load of people?"
emperor wrote:..returned all the land to the fruit company, abolished tax on interest and divedends to foreign investors, eliminated the secret ballot of elections and jailed thousands of political critics.

Again, it was not the US or the CIA that did all that, it was the locals. Sure the CIA interfered and handed power to their favorite local faction. Maybe you ought to read a few books on this subject instead of getting your data from highly biased sources like AdBusters.
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Postby jingai » Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:30 am

Maybe you ought to read a few books on this subject instead of getting your data from highly biased sources like AdBusters.

Or just quote correctly from Adbusters, as they generally get the facts right even if you might not like the interpretation (I subscribed for a few years and just read their history blurb web site).

The CIA and Green Berets and the like almost never do the dirty work themselves but by manipulating local proxies. That doesn't make them any less culpable in my opinion.
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Postby Buraku » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:29 am

emperor wrote:
Charles wrote:
emperor wrote:Wasnt it Bolivia to which 1000s of marines where sent to and killed a shit-load of people under some anti-Communist pretense?

No.


WOW! Youre a fucking goldmine of information!!

.. I went and checked - it was Guatemala in 1954.
Eisenhower funded a right-wing miltary coup in the country, against the popular indian-dominated govt which expropriated land owned by Rockefellers United Fruit Company - it was offered compensation (based on its frudulent tax records). CIA-trained insurgents took power, returned all the land to the fruit company, abolished tax on interest and divedends to foreign investors, eliminated the secret ballot of elections and jailed thousands of political critics. Both Secretary of State John Foster Dulles and his brother CIA Director Allen Dulles were investors in United Fruit.

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...more antiJapanese propaganda: http://home.comcast.net/~bkrawczuk/ucr.html



El Salvador, Angola, Cambodia, Nicaragua...you name it Uncle Sam bombed it, killed almost 6 million Asians in Cambodia and Laos

So the Japanese got smashed, but its not like they weren't asking for it
Japanese killed and tortured heaps of Aussies, bombed HongKong, attacked Peral Harbor

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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:48 am

jingai wrote:The CIA and Green Berets and the like almost never do the dirty work themselves but by manipulating local proxies. That doesn't make them any less culpable in my opinion.

It's amazing how an assertion of 1000s of US Marines slaughtering shit-loads of Bolivians ended up as the US manipulating local proxies in Guatemala.
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Postby puargs » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:34 am

Emperor, this was a great post. It's always interesting to see how times change and how within just two generations, these "mortal enemies" are intermarrying and supporting FG communities. :D
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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:46 am

I did place a question-mark after that sentence with Bolivia in it.
As for the 1000s of marines - its happened in Latin America - just elsewhere.
I was too lazy to fact-check before posting and then had to do it retroactively and I guess that why Charles' panties are in such a twist.

puargs wrote:It's always interesting to see how times change and how within just two generations, these "mortal enemies" are intermarrying and supporting FG communities. :D


Quite so, and likewise friends can quickly become enemies: even though everybody views China as the 2nd biggest superpower and a possible threat in the future, I wonder if the US and EU would ever face off under extenuating circumstances? (esp. in light of that backup plan if a US soldier were facing war-crimes in the Hague type scenario) Has a movie ever been made with such a storyline? ....hmmm
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:50 am

emperor wrote:I did place a question-mark after that sentence with Bolivia in it.
As for the 1000s of marines - its happened in Latin America - just elsewhere.

Be specific. Where? When? How many marines are "1000s" and how many dead civilians constitutes a "shit-load?"
emperor wrote:I was too lazy to fact-check before posting and then had to do it retroactively and I guess that why Charles' panties are in such a twist.

In other words, you're just making it up as you go along, and I caught you spewing total bullshit. And you're still doing it.
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Postby Maths Dude » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:02 am

Charles never spews total bullshit.
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Postby Pizzicatoblue » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:26 am

Buraku wrote:
emperor wrote:
Charles wrote:
emperor wrote:Wasnt it Bolivia to which 1000s of marines where sent to and killed a shit-load of people under some anti-Communist pretense?

No.


WOW! Youre a fucking goldmine of information!!

.. I went and checked - it was Guatemala in 1954.
Eisenhower funded a right-wing miltary coup in the country, against the popular indian-dominated govt which expropriated land owned by Rockefellers United Fruit Company - it was offered compensation (based on its frudulent tax records). CIA-trained insurgents took power, returned all the land to the fruit company, abolished tax on interest and divedends to foreign investors, eliminated the secret ballot of elections and jailed thousands of political critics. Both Secretary of State John Foster Dulles and his brother CIA Director Allen Dulles were investors in United Fruit.

need flash plugin: http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html
or download: http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/Hope_and_memory.zip


...more antiJapanese propaganda: http://home.comcast.net/~bkrawczuk/ucr.html



El Salvador, Angola, Cambodia, Nicaragua...you name it Uncle Sam bombed it, killed almost 6 million Asians in Cambodia and Laos

So the Japanese got smashed, but its not like they weren't asking for it
Japanese killed and tortured heaps of Aussies, bombed HongKong, attacked Peral Harbor

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LMFAO!! now you know they need to get their ball cut off! :lol:
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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:27 am

Charles wrote:
emperor wrote:I did place a question-mark after that sentence with Bolivia in it.
As for the 1000s of marines - its happened in Latin America - just elsewhere.

Be specific. Where? When? How many marines are "1000s" and how many dead civilians constitutes a "shit-load?"
emperor wrote:I was too lazy to fact-check before posting and then had to do it retroactively and I guess that why Charles' panties are in such a twist.

In other words, you're just making it up as you go along, and I caught you spewing total bullshit. And you're still doing it.


Well its seems US forces have been deployed many times in latin american countries to protect US citizens and investments, but most of these Latin America deaths have been at the hands of CIA organised, trained and funded death-squads/puppet-dictatorships/etc...

However.. as for the 1000s of marines: try 7,000
1983, Grenada.
Cuban Army and Grenadian Militia Losses are reported to be approximately 100 dead, 350 wounded. (may not be a 'shit-load' but that open to interpretation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Urgent_Fury

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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:45 am

emperor wrote:However.. as for the 1000s of marines: try 7,000
1983, Grenada.
Cuban Army and Grenadian Militia Losses are reported to be approximately 100 dead, 350 wounded. (may not be a 'shit-load' but that open to interpretation)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Urgent_Fury

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Wrong again. Only 1700 Marines deployed in Operation Urgent Fury. That doesn't quite get up to "1000s." And a few dozen dead soldiers does not equal a "shit-load of people" especially since "people" implies noncombatants.
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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:56 am

Charles wrote:Wrong again. Only 1700 Marines deployed in Operation Urgent Fury. That doesn't quite get up to "1000s."

Read it again Chump:
Wikipedia wrote:...Fighting continued for several days and the total number of American troops reached some 7,000...


Charles wrote:a few dozen dead soldiers does not equal a "shit-load of people" especially since "people" implies noncombatants.

As I already stated "shit-load" is open to interpretation. and since the current population is estimated at 89,502 - for the hell of it Im gonna say 100 dead is a "shit-load of people"
You're saying the dead soldiers were'nt people?
Then what the fuck were they?
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Postby Charles » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:24 am

emperor wrote:
Charles wrote:Wrong again. Only 1700 Marines deployed in Operation Urgent Fury. That doesn't quite get up to "1000s."

Read it again Chump:
Wikipedia wrote:...Fighting continued for several days and the total number of American troops reached some 7,000...


You do realize that not all US Soldiers are Marines, right?

Face it, your pathetic attempt to portray the US as sending thousands of Marine commandos throughout South America to slay everything in their path just has not panned out. US Military operations in this hemisphere have historically been against foreign imperialists, preventing them from setting up shop in South America. But I suppose it is futile to lecture angry Europeans like you about The Monroe Doctrine, since they're the reason we set that doctrine in the first place.
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Postby Kurofune » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:55 am

Despite the impression people get when many kill-em-all posters from one side are displayed with a give-peace-a-chance poster from the other side, I'm sure both the US and Japan had plenty of both. The latter posters shouldn't be taken at face value, because they could've been a propaganda ploy meant to create confusion in the other side's populace. Why else would this poster, in all its propaganda style, have been printed in English? Considering what Japan had going on throughout Asia at the time - not to mention Pearl Harbor - I can't imagine that the Yamamoto poster summed up the Japanese sentiment at the time. That's not to say the US' posters were any more decent, but that implying that the Japanese were misunderstood and looking for peace is at best flimsy.
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Postby emperor » Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:10 pm

Charles wrote:
emperor wrote:
Charles wrote:Wrong again. Only 1700 Marines deployed in Operation Urgent Fury. That doesn't quite get up to "1000s."

Read it again Chump:
Wikipedia wrote:...Fighting continued for several days and the total number of American troops reached some 7,000...


You do realize that not all US Soldiers are Marines, right?


Yes, I realize that not all US Soldiers are Marines.
Involved in the invasion were Marines, Rangers, 82nd Airborne, Airforce, Navy... can't find the breakdown of how many of what though... CAN YOU?
DOES IT REALLY MATTER? You seem to revel in semantics when it suits you.

Charles wrote:Face it, your pathetic attempt to portray the US as sending thousands of Marine commandos throughout South America to slay everything in their path just has not panned out.


Youre exagerating what i said and sounding like a bond-villain at the same time.

Charles wrote:US Military operations in this hemisphere have historically been against foreign imperialists, preventing them from setting up shop in South America. But I suppose it is futile to lecture angry Europeans like you about The Monroe Doctrine, since they're the reason we set that doctrine in the first place.


Im not an angry European; Im just not a fan of gunboat diplomacy.
Im not too familiar with 'The Monroe Doctrine' but from what I browsed it seems to me that it layed out a plan for the United States to not get involved in any internal South American disputes unless a European nation intervened.
So, to sum it up: let them fight it out and weaken each other more, making them even more susceptible to covert infiltration and manipulation, with a view to securing resources and if those resources should risk being secured by a european country they should be attacked.

I dont defend the imperial past and ambition that some european nations have.
I just know my country dosent have one, and that I dont appreciate the deceit and violence that America employs as tools of imperialism today.
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Re: Panama Canal: "We stole it, fair and square"

Postby Socratesabroad » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:41 pm

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