Scary shit in UK....

[Maths Dude]

In a nutshell, any country that supports America could be next. I was thinking that Australia might be next, but we are such a small place noone really cares anyway. If they hit Japan it would be more sensational for them I guess.

[Buraku]

Flanked by fellow world leaders, British Prime Minister
Tony Blair said deadly explosions in London would not halt an annual summit




series of bombs were detontated in London, blasts have been confirmed, on buses and on underground. Hundreds inured too apparently- phone network, bus network and all the underground services are down.
Ambulance service says there are people still trapped at King's Cross station, Frank Gardner says BBC monitoring services have located a website linked to al-Qaeda with a 200-word statement saying it carried out the bombings, European-based militant group believed to be linked to the al-Qaeda network has said it was responsible for Thursday's multiple bomb attack. the Organisation of Al-Qaeda Jihad in Europe, claimed Thursday the attacks in London, in a statement posted on the Internet. "Heroic mujahedeens carried out a sacred attack in London, and here is Britain burning in fear, terror, and fright in the north, south, east and west," said the group in a statement, which could not be authenticated.
The entire Tube system, used by three million people a day, was closed while bus services in the centre of London have also been cancelled.
The timing of the incidents came on the opening day of the G8 summit in Scotland.



Death toll in London blasts at least 40, U.S. sources say. London closed its subway system and evacuated all stations after emergency services were called to explosions in and around the financial district.
Police said blasts occurred in ``multiple locations.'' A bus exploded near Russell Square, causing ``numerous casualties,'' a police statement said.
Liverpool Street station, Aldgate, Edgware Road and King's Cross are among stations evacuated after blasts were reported on underground train links. Scotland Yard said the first blast was reported at 8:50 a.m. local time. Attack claimed by "the Europe Jihadists" - group related to AlQaeda - said Reuters

In a nutshell, any country that supports America could be next. I was thinking that Australia might be next, but we are such a small place noone really cares anyway. If they hit Japan it would be more sensational for them I guess.

There are experts saying its an radical islamic attack. They killed Austalians in Bali, got the in the terror attacks on Spanish in Madrid, now London....
...what next ?

[gomichild]

Oh maybe the news reader has his money on the right spot:

(from the statement on the BBC site)

"We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused."

[Maths Dude]

I think this is what Bush said in his speech outside the G8 meeting, "We are going to spread our ideology over the world". I mean if your were a muslim would you want western values shoved down your throat?

[Mulboyne]

London has shut down. I'm staying about half a mile from where the bus was bombed and there's no-one on the streets. There are no buses or trains on the underground and most stores, museums, cinemas have closed.
There is still a lot of confusion about how many explosions actually took place. It seem perhaps four although some earlier reports suggested twice that number. It is almost seven hours after the first bomb but still the mobile networks here are patchy so you can probably know as much as any Londoner about what is happening from looking at the web.

[cstaylor]

If they hit Japan it would be more sensational for them I guess.

Japan would be an impossible target unless they could get some Japanese to do the work... English is taught throughout the world, but can you imagine the alarms set off if an Arab tried to buy fertilizer or other bomb-making material in broken Japanese?

[gomichild]

Cheers for reporting in Mulboyne.

[Socratesabroad]

CNN and BBC:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4659093.stm


I remember the outpouring of sympathy and support we Americans received after 9/11 and I'd like to return the favor. Let me say personally that my heart goes out to Londoners and other Brits during this crisis.

[This is a pen]

I am sure this is all Bush's fault.

Terrorist are not to blame.

They (According to the Liberals) are good people who just need to be understood.

[dimwit]

Meanwhile, in the news for parrots.

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=342759

[NeoNecroNomiCron]

Pretty bad shit going down in the UK. On the other hand, didn't the IRA do a lot more damage?

The fucking prods deserved it.

[Buraku]

Oh maybe the news reader has his money on the right spot:

(from the statement on the BBC site)

"We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused."
Flanked by fellow world leaders, British Prime Minister
Tony Blair said deadly explosions in London would not halt an annual summit




series of bombs were detontated in London, blasts have been confirmed, on buses and on underground. Hundreds inured too apparently- phone network, bus network and all the underground services are down.
Ambulance service says there are people still trapped at King's Cross station, Frank Gardner says BBC monitoring services have located a website linked to al-Qaeda with a 200-word statement saying it carried out the bombings, European-based militant group believed to be linked to the al-Qaeda network has said it was responsible for Thursday's multiple bomb attack. the Organisation of Al-Qaeda Jihad in Europe, claimed Thursday the attacks in London, in a statement posted on the Internet. "Heroic mujahedeens carried out a sacred attack in London, and here is Britain burning in fear, terror, and fright in the north, south, east and west," said the group in a statement, which could not be authenticated.
The entire Tube system, used by three million people a day, was closed while bus services in the centre of London have also been cancelled.
The timing of the incidents came on the opening day of the G8 summit in Scotland.



Death toll in London blasts at least 40, U.S. sources say. London closed its subway system and evacuated all stations after emergency services were called to explosions in and around the financial district.
Police said blasts occurred in ``multiple locations.'' A bus exploded near Russell Square, causing ``numerous casualties,'' a police statement said.
Liverpool Street station, Aldgate, Edgware Road and King's Cross are among stations evacuated after blasts were reported on underground train links. Scotland Yard said the first blast was reported at 8:50 a.m. local time. Attack claimed by "the Europe Jihadists" - group related to AlQaeda - said Reuters

In a nutshell, any country that supports America could be next. I was thinking that Australia might be next, but we are such a small place noone really cares anyway. If they hit Japan it would be more sensational for them I guess.




There are experts saying its an radical islamic attack. They killed Austalians in Bali, got the in the terror attacks on Spanish in Madrid, now London....
...what next ?

what will happen after this, Blair has left the G8 to have a security meeting in London

[emperor]

A j-friend just moved to london to study art - they said they live next to one of the bombings and arent allowed to go home (maybe the bus one?)

i was going to book flights and hotel for edinburgh for the comedy festival today - maybe ill hang on a few days and see how it pans out - but i guess theyll just tighten security and thats gonna be all the bombings... for the moment anyway.

[DjMitch_UK]

I was in London at the time. Crazy. Took ages to get out of the city.

[Greji]

If they hit Japan it would be more sensational for them I guess.

Japan would be an impossible target unless they could get some Japanese to do the work... English is taught throughout the world, but can you imagine the alarms set off if an Arab tried to buy fertilizer or other bomb-making material in broken Japanese?

I was on the last train allowed into Kasumigaseki following the Aum sarin attack. There is nothing impossible about this occurring in Japan. How many of huge Iranian (or for that matter Iraqis) present here are actually Iranians or Iraqis? How many of any nationality is who they say they are? Remember the French Al Quiada guy? How many times did he come in and out of country? How many have secret fundamentalist sympathies? How many would like to personally mess-up your copy of the Koran?

I am a bit surprised that nobody has noted yet that this is right out of the Aum playbook, which everyone, including the press (for a change) had said was a crime that would be copied in the future!

My heart goes out to merry ole London, and I do hope they give the perps kind treatment and a fair trial (but not until after their execution)

[Buraku]

They could try continue bombing Amercians but Bush wouldn't be likely to flinch, British are unlikely to change their tune. But Japan would be a soft target, even during its most mighty days during the years of Toyotomi Samurai, Toyotomi Shogun and Imperial Nazis like Hirohito and Tojo Japan never really became a super-military power, they tried to take the Philippines or and attack Hawaii...occupy Korea
but even during the times of Japan's most mighty days they could rarely occupy a place for more than a few years
The terror al qaeda group wouldn't need to inavde Tokyo. Arab terrorists and militants know that Japan isn't a key player and isn't calling the shots. If some militant group or terrorist fighters were to hit the Japanese hard in Iraq bomb Japan soldiers in the middle-east then the Japan-SDF would likely run away, some like Koizumi are already considering on going home sooner than expected.

Japan might be hard on immigrantion and asylum seeking refugees, but that doesn't mean there aren't any foreigners in Japan. Thousands of illegals are in Tokyo from Indonesia, Egypt and Iran....however that's not to call all Muslims or Arabs terrorists, Gaijins aren't the terrorist problem
because Japanese terrorist problems mostly come from Japan like the Uyoku-rightwing groups and Japanese AUM sarin attacks by the doomsday Japan cult

[ichigo partygirl]

I am really sad about all of this. My thoughts go out to those caught up in it. It is really horrible.

It makes you think where the fuck is the world going. If ever we needed proof that terrorism such as 9/11 wasnt a one off then here it is.
I wonder how connected the attacks are with the ones in Madrid and Bali. It is hard to know whether it is all organized by one super group (which i doubt myself) or it is smaller and crazier groups feeding off the climate of fear that has been created

People have to not be afraid and live their lives, Fear means they win (whoever they are).

Be strong FGs!!!

[kamome]

I stayed up until 5:30AM watching the crisis unfold on TV. I'm glad no FG's were hurt. Mulboyne, I'm glad you reported in and that you were (basically) unaffected.

I think Bush's "We'll spread our ideology" crap was absolutely the wrong thing to say. That policy is the reason for further instability of this kind. A better leader would have just said that the perpetrators will not go unpunished, they will fail, etc.

[nullpointer]

Japan 'will not pull out of Iraq'

Koizumi says

The attacks and Japan's operation in Iraq "should not be directly linked"

"No country can say that there is no possibility. I think we need to continue to take sufficient steps against terrorism. You cannot tell when or where it could happen,"

[cstaylor]

If they hit Japan it would be more sensational for them I guess.

Japan would be an impossible target unless they could get some Japanese to do the work... English is taught throughout the world, but can you imagine the alarms set off if an Arab tried to buy fertilizer or other bomb-making material in broken Japanese?

I was on the last train allowed into Kasumigaseki following the Aum sarin attack. There is nothing impossible about this occurring in Japan.

Read what I wrote about a Japanese needing to be involved.

How many of huge Iranian (or for that matter Iraqis) present here are actually Iranians or Iraqis?

They probably aren't hardcore Sunnis bent on containing the spread of Shiite control over the Middle East.

How many of any nationality is who they say they are? Remember the French Al Quiada guy? How many times did he come in and out of country? How many have secret fundamentalist sympathies?

How many explosions did he create? 0.

I am a bit surprised that nobody has noted yet that this is right out of the Aum playbook, which everyone, including the press (for a change) had said was a crime that would be copied in the future!

That's not the same thing as what we saw in London. There were plenty of warnings that something was seriously wrong in the Aum group, and the government didn't move fast enough to stop them. IIRC < 20 people died in the gas attacks.

The odds are probably 1/100th ~ 1/1000th of what an attack on immigrant-friendly countries like England, Spain, and the U.S. face.

[Maths Dude]

Is the only way to garantee no more terrorist acts to deport every single muslim from every country? I am a hardass, so that's what I would do. To hell with human rights.

[Greji]

government didn't move fast enough to stop them.

They can move fast if you count things like casterating that poor guy out in Yamanashi or Nakano who had been mixing insecticides and weed killer in his shed, when Aum conducted their initial tests on sarin. They moved right on him. Cost him his job, house, wife and in general, his life. But, when they found if wasn't him, they said they were sorry. So everything was okay! But that's a diffent thread-

[dimwit]

The thing that is annoying me the most from my entirely selfish perpective is having to alleviate the fears of Japanese students and thier families who are going on homestays to Pembroke or place like that. Happens everytime something bad happens overseas.

[gomichild]

Way to overeact Maths Dude.

cstaylor - interesting points. I was discussing this with a friend on chat last night - the possibilities of this happening in Japan. The logistics seem to be tricky indeed.

Much more paranoid about a big earthquake hitting myself...

[Neo-Rio]

Is the only way to garantee no more terrorist acts to deport every single muslim from every country? I am a hardass, so that's what I would do. To hell with human rights.

This is what we get from having a free democratic country. The freedom for certain people to spout off their religious beliefs, and live like they want to live, and no way to stop them within the letter of the law.

[Big Booger]

Way to overeact Maths Dude.

Tell that to the 45 or however many died... What the world needs is an anti-terrorism terrorist. Some group that infiltrates Al Qaeda and other groups like them and terrorizes their organisations on the down low... perhaps killing the leader's children, wives, grandparents... Perhaps bringing in infectious diseased whores to kill them that way... All the while attacking them with military might on the surface, but employing covert units to attack them in ways that they couldn't even contemplate.

The only way to guarantee terrorism doesn't happen is to kick them out of your country. No terrorist, no terrorism.

That or have the big brother syndrome (which Britain is nearly at anyway)... put cameras everywhere, in toilets, in dressing rooms, cover every inch of the subways and use Xrays at every entrance and exit.....

[AssKissinger]

Way to overeact Maths Dude.

Tell that to the 45 or however many died... What the world needs is an anti-terrorism terrorist. Some group that infiltrates Al Qaeda and other groups like them and terrorizes their organisations on the down low... perhaps killing the leader's children, wives, grandparents... Perhaps bringing in infectious diseased whores to kill them that way... All the while attacking them with military might on the surface, but employing covert units to attack them in ways that they couldn't even contemplate.

I like to think the CIA is has spies doing that stuff.

The only way to guarantee terrorism doesn't happen is to kick them out of your country. No terrorist, no terrorism.

No doubt about it.

Excellent post BB

[Taro Toporific]

The thing that is annoying me the most from my entirely selfish perpective is having to alleviate the fears of Japanese students and thier families who are going on homestays to Pembroke or place like that. Happens everytime something bad happens overseas.

Ha, ha, I just tell them the truth:
I lived in Chicago f0r 18 years without ever being robbed or asaulted. In Kanto, my apartments have been broken into three times, my car vandalized twice, and EVERY month some Japanese with a death-wish tries to push me off the platform or down the station stairs.

[Taro Toporific]

The thing that is annoying me the most from my entirely selfish perpective is having to alleviate the fears of Japanese students and thier families who are going on homestays to Pembroke or place like that. Happens everytime something bad happens overseas.

Ha, ha, I just tell them the truth:
I lived in Chicago f0r 18 years without ever being robbed or asaulted. In Kanto, my apartments have been broken into three times, my car vandalized twice, and EVERY month some Japanese with a death-wish tries to push me off the platform or down the station stairs.

Back to London....

Surveillance Cameras Monitor
Much of Daily Life in London,
May Help to Identify Bombers
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
July 8, 2005] -- In tracking down the perpetrators of yesterday's devastating bombings here, the police have a particularly useful tool at hand: the ubiquitous security camera.
The British capital has more surveillance cameras monitoring its citizens than any other major city in the world. The highly visible gadgets are posted on the corners of many buildings, on new buses and in every subway station. Since 2003, the license plate of every car driving into central London during weekdays is filmed as part of a program to reduce traffic congestion. London charges a fee to cars and also uses the films to catch and fine cheats. In all, there are at least 500,000 cameras in the city, and one study showed that in a single day a person could expect to be filmed 300 times.
Known as CCTV -- for closed-circuit television -- the extensive camera system is relied on by the police to solve and deter crimes[url=http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB112077340647880052-mGvd5MGVX8aM_8TMTf6F6nQe9pg_20060707,00.html?mod=blogs] ...more...

[cstaylor]

The only way to guarantee terrorism doesn't happen is to kick them out of your country. No terrorist, no terrorism.

I guarantee that will happen if Islamic radicals try anything in Japan. That, or a repeat of the 1923 quake aftermath.