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Postby AssKissinger » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:51 pm

gaijinzilla wrote:That little hiccup (I think it's supposed to be around 2 seconds, it might be more. I don't remember) is part of the rules in Japanese ball. If you have a continous motion like in Major League ball, it's considered a balk. Actually (and for the life of me I can't remember where I read or heard this) this rule is on the books in ball played in the majors & minors in North America & the rest of the ball playing world. One of the "original" rules as it were, but over the decades it has gradually disappeared, meaning that it is never enforced. However when the game was brought over to Japan, the Japanese decided to enforce this rule. And so it remains.



Wouldn't that make Nomo's pitching style (especially in the early days) the ultimate balker?

Blah Pete wrote:Although the stadium probably needs some work I like the fact that it is close to the downtown area, bars, and that street with all the yattai. It gives it a real home town feel.
Kind of reminds me of what the SF and SD new stadiums try to do with putting the stadium back in the city.
How far out will the stadium in Minami-Ku be?
Hope they don't build some huge, sterile stadium like Tokyo or Nagoya dome.


It's a great stadium with real character. Talk around town is that it may be going to Higashi Hiroshima (shitsville suburbia). I very strongly second your sentiment about the Tokyo and Nagoya Dome.

In fact, everything you said there is dead on, Pete. This really makes me sad.
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Postby Blah Pete » Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:23 pm

It seems that Japan is kind of in that phase that the US was in during the 70's when they built multi-sport astroturf grounds ike;
Three Rivers Stadium
The Cincinnati stadium
The Philadelphia stadium
King Dome
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Not so much for multi-sports but in Japan they don't seem to design stadiums that are comfortable.
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Postby AssKissinger » Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:09 pm

[quote="Blah Pete"]It seems that Japan is kind of in that phase that the US was in during the 70's when they built multi-sport astroturf grounds ike]

The King Dome and the Nagoya Dome are the two shittiest stadiums I've had the displeasure of being inside of.

The old outdoor stadiums they built for the Tokyo Olympics seem alright though. There's a few they use for J-League. They all hold exactly 50,000. The Big Arch is the only one I've actually been to but I like it a lot. Hiroshima has two nice stadiums. But for how long?
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Postby Mulboyne » Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:59 pm

Canada.com: Valentine calls World Baseball Classic idea misguided, insulting
Bobby Valentine thinks Major League Baseball's plan to stage the World Baseball Classic is both misguided and arrogant..."I'm all in favour of doing anything to help promote baseball internationally," Valentine told reporters Monday. "But this idea is misguided. As a manager, there is no way I'd want one of my players to take part in a tournament like this before the start of the season."

Canada.com: Japan OK's World Baseball Classic subject to approval of players
Japan said Thursday it has tentatively agreed to take part in the inaugural 16-country World Baseball Classic subject to the approval of the Japanese baseball players' association...The Japanese players' association will hold a meeting on July 22 to decide whether to take part.
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Postby Taro Toporific » Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:24 am

Now it's really "DEAD BALL."

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Japan disappointed over IOC decision
Associated Press, July 9, 2005, TOKYO---Japanese sports officials reacted with disappointment Friday over the International Olympic Committee's decision to drop baseball and softball from the program for the 2012 Summer Games in London.
Baseball and softball, which will remain on the program for the 2008 Beijing Games, are the first sports cut from the Olympics since polo in 1936.
"It is a very tough decision for us. I am very disappointed," said Japan Olympic Committee President Tsunekazu Takeda. "I had expected all 28 sports to remain but those two sports will be played in Beijing so we want them to try hard to get medals."
Baseball, which became a medal sport in 1992, has been vulnerable because it doesn't bring top Major League players to the Olympics. Softball, a women's medal sport since 1996, has been in danger because of a perceived lack of global appeal and participation....more...
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Postby canman » Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:52 am

I didn't think baseball deserved to be in the Olympics in the first place. They have their own championships, and MLB was never going to shut down for two weeks to allow the best players to go and play.
But I was a little disappointed by softball. I know that not a lot of countries play it, but it doesn't get the media attention, and I thought the games were quite entertaining.
I hope to goodness they don't add golf, or rollersports. This is not the X-Games. But I guess they are trying for a younger audience.
In my opinion soccer should be taken out, so should yachting. Talk about a sport for the rich and famous. How many Africans have won a medal in that sport?
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Postby Taro Toporific » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:18 pm

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In Robert Whiting's enjoyable book about the current generation of Japanese baseball players, "The Samurai Way of Baseball" recently and thoroughly enjoyed the chapter on Hideki Matsui. ...
... "I'm just an ordinary guy." He liked to have an occasional beer. He loked to shoot the breeze with the security guards and maintenance personnel, and he liked to trade tapes fr0m his extensive library of adult videos with reporters. (His reply, when asked about his eccentric hobby, was a droll "Doesn't everybody do this?")
....One Tokyo tabloid, worried about Matsui's sex life, interviewed a top porno actress in Japan who volunteered to fly to the States and service Matsui whenever required...... more...
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Postby AssKissinger » Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:27 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/07/25/bc.bba.devilrays.nomore.ap/index.html

Right-hander Hideo Nomo was released Monday by the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

Nomo, who will turn 37 next month, has said he won't pitch in Japan if he isn't signed by another major league team. He went 5-8 with a 7.24 ERA in 19 starts.
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Postby Speed » Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:43 am

Whitig's got a new book out "The Samurai Way of Baseball".

I finished his "The Meaning of Ichiro" last year.

It appears that the same players are covered in both books.

What's the difference between the two? Is it pretty much the same book except "Samurai" has more updated info through 2005??
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Postby Captain Japan » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:26 pm

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Yankees sign well-traveled Japanese pitcher Nomo
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NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees have signed Japanese pitcher Hideo Nomo to a minor league contract, the club announced.

Sources say Nomo is set to play for the Yankees after he gets fit.

The Tampa Bay Devil Rays designated Nomo for assignment on July 16 and dismissed him on July 25.

The Yankees claimed Nomo off waivers because the New York team needs starting pitchers after several hurlers have become injured....more...

The Yankees are really desperate...
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Postby Captain Japan » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:27 pm

Speed wrote:What's the difference between the two? Is it pretty much the same book except "Samurai" has more updated info through 2005??

I believe they are one and the same. This is the second edition. There were some errors in the first that have been fixed. As well, I think the title was changed to better reflect what is inside.
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Postby AssKissinger » Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:39 pm

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Yankees sign well-traveled Japanese pitcher Nomo
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NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees have signed Japanese pitcher Hideo Nomo to a minor league contract, the club announced.

Sources say Nomo is set to play for the Yankees after he gets fit.

The Tampa Bay Devil Rays designated Nomo for assignment on July 16 and dismissed him on July 25.

The Yankees claimed Nomo off waivers because the New York team needs starting pitchers after several hurlers have become injured....more...

The Yankees are really desperate...


Minor league? Fuck, he's a hero
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Postby Speed » Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:00 am

Thanks Captain J. I would of been pissed if I had ordered "Samurai" since I already have "The Meaning of Ichiro". (Great book by the way)

As for Nomo - he's a roller coaster. He's either on fire or slumming it with some extra lbs.

He's been on the slide recently. Think the Yanks are banking on him to rebound again.
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Postby AssKissinger » Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:39 am

He'd rather play in the minors than in Japan. I hope the Yankees call him up soon.
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Postby Captain Japan » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:30 am

AssKissinger wrote:Minor league? Fuck, he's a hero

This is a technicality. I believe this is just a vague way of saying that the Yanks are going to pay him the major league minimum (300k annually?) once he is addded to the roster. I believe the D'Rays will still be paying him the rest of what he was signed for (I think it was a flat 1 mill).
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Postby Captain Japan » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:33 am

Speed wrote:As for Nomo - he's a roller coaster. He's either on fire or slumming it with some extra lbs.

NHK showed highlights of his last game against the M's. He was leaving pitch after pitch up in the zone. He didn't have anything and just got hammered. For guys who rely on a splitter as their out pitch this is what happens when they lose velocity. I think the Yanks are in a lot of trouble.
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Postby Greji » Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:49 am

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Speed wrote:As for Nomo - he's a roller coaster. He's either on fire or slumming it with some extra lbs.

NHK showed highlights of his last game against the M's. He was leaving pitch after pitch up in the zone. He didn't have anything and just got hammered. For guys who rely on a splitter as their out pitch this is what happens when they lose velocity. I think the Yanks are in a lot of trouble.


It's hard to say. Nomo is pretty old for a major league pitcher, but he still has the experience if he can get a couple of breaks he can still get back up to the show. He was never a high velocity pitcher, even in Japan, high 140's to low 150's. His splitter has always been his take out pitch, but he does have some other reasonable breaking stuff. He just needs a lot of defense behind him because he can no longer depend on what power pitches he did have. The "Tornado" motion still works for deception and the sense of speed (that he doesn't have anymore).

What I have always liked about Nomo is that he so much as told Watanabe and the JPB yakuza to stuff it in their Bum, when they tried to prevent him from going to MLB by brow-beating him and attempts to impliment new restrictions on movement by players to block him.

He was and always will be the first to do it in my eyes. There was Murakami, who was a reasonable reliever, but he was never that high profile in Japan in industrial ball and JPB, plus he was never really thought of by the Japanese as someone who had "jumped" the league. He simply went and then came back home with head bowed in proper reverence. Nomo rightously told the the JPB mob to stuff it and continues to do so. He's numero uno in my book!

Besides, who in the Pub could find fault with a guy named "Nomou"?
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Postby AssKissinger » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:32 am

There was Murakami, who was a reasonable reliever, but he was never that high profile in Japan in industrial ball and JPB, plus he was never really thought of by the Japanese as someone who had "jumped" the league. He simply went and then came back home with head bowed in proper reverence


This is an obviously very dated article but still interesting.

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/M/Murakami_Masanori.stm

his U.S. career was cut short when the Japanese government, afraid that its country's teams would be decimated should others follow Murakami's path, demanded that he be returned.
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Postby Greji » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:05 pm

&quot wrote:
This is an obviously very dated article but still interesting.

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/M/Murakami_Masanori.stm

his U.S. career was cut short when the Japanese government, afraid that its country's teams would be decimated should others follow Murakami's path, demanded that he be returned.


Good article AK and thanks for that link! It wasn't the government though, it was the JPB Yakuza trying to protect what they call "Nippon Yakyu" as something only Japanese call excel at playing (hence the player limitations and to some degree, the level of FG talent they brought over). They more-or-less, told Murakami that he would be blacklisted and would never play or be affiliated with baseball in Japan if he did not return (to protect the system) (source: Chico Bourbon of the Orix Blue Waves main office who played with Murakami back then).
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Postby AssKissinger » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:13 pm

I just hope when Nomo finally retires MLB kicks up a big fuss for him and puts on a good show because he deserves it. He's done more to 'internationalize' the game than anyone I can think of.

Any thoughts on baseball being discontinued from the Olympics after Beijing?

There was an article I read in the paper that said it was because the MLB owners were too greedy to allow the stars to play. But aren't the Olympics supposed about amature sportsmanship anyway? I know most sports fans don't agree but I like team sports in the Olympics.
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Postby Greji » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:59 pm

AssKissinger wrote:I just hope when Nomo finally retires MLB kicks up a big fuss for him and puts on a good show because he deserves it. He's done more to 'internationalize' the game than anyone I can think of.


He does and your right. His record stands for itself. How many pitchers have thrown a no-hitter and on top of that, one in each league? He's made a notch and they should recognize him for it.

Any thoughts on baseball being discontinued from the Olympics after Beijing?


I think it stands as they announced it. They do not attract the best (MLB) and the ones who are allowed from MLB from Australia or Canada have limitations placed on them i.e. the Canadian MLB pitchers were limited in how much and how frequently they could throw, etc. There are only four or five contenders that can be in the running in the sport, so I can see where it was easy to get other countries to go along with dropping it. Plus, from the fiscal aspect, each country, as well as the Olympic village, has to support a 30-50 person team (double that for countries with softball, and from the pure logisitics of it, they're happy to dump it. Shame tho!

There was an article I read in the paper that said it was because the MLB owners were too greedy to allow the stars to play. But aren't the Olympics supposed about amateur sportsmanship anyway? I know most sports fans don't agree but I like team sports in the Olympics.


You're right on about the amateur thing, but the dream teams of pretty well killed that. However, I wouldn't really call it greedy as much as I would, protecting their investment. The owners in MLB are paying some of these guys huge fortunes to produce their wares on the playing field and obviously don't want them banged up or disabled in non-MLB games. The market is that expensive and competitive. Korea, Japan and Taiwan have a limited number of teams and an excess of players competing for the positions. Although none of them would like to lose a star, they do have replacements of pretty good talent waiting on the sidelines. MLB does not have that deep of a replacement pool because it is scatter out through all of the teams.

Interestingly enough, Steinbrenner used to have a contract clause for the Yankees prohibiting post season and exhibition play. This is why, until a couple of years ago, the Yankees had not visited Japan for exhibition games for many, many years. I was told by pretty good authority that the reason this policy was dropped and they returned to Japan to play, was Matsui. Ichiro's success and not having an in to Japan like Seattle has through its ownership, meant that the Yankees had to travel to get and make Matsui a new meal ticket!
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Postby gaijinzilla » Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:48 pm

I think that Nomo won't be helping out the Yankees too much. He may give them a few good innings, perhaps a win or two, but nothing more. The last few seasons you can see his pitching has been on a steady decline....that ERA keeps ballooning.
That said...who knows what may really happen.
Pitching for the Devil Rays and pitching for the Yankees----worlds apart. Lou Piniella (sp?) is notorious for not handling his pitchers well. He never liked them when he was a player, and that doesn't bode well when you become a manager and have to deal with the pitching staff.
Perhaps Nomo can have a brief renaissance pitching the rest of the season for NY. It would be a nice way to end a solid career.
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Postby Captain Japan » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:57 pm

Yomiuri outfielder Rhodes leaves Japan
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Tuffy Rhodes departed Japan on Friday, leaving a question mark over his future with the Central League's Yomiuri Giants and Japanese baseball.

Rhodes, who is in the final year of a two-year contract with the Giants, was removed from the Giants' roster last week because of an injured right shoulder.

The 36-year-old Rhodes was hitting .240 with 27 homers and 70 RBIs this season for the Giants, who have struggled and are in second last place in the Central League standings with a 46-60 record, 17 games behind the first place Hanshin Tigers.

Despite leading the Giants in home runs, Rhodes has appeared frustrated this season with his team's lackluster performance....more...
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:00 pm

SeattlePI: Ichiro: 'Show the fans fun baseball'
Ichiro Suzuki never met Joe DiMaggio. But the Mariners right fielder is in accord with one of the prime tenets of the baseball philosophy of the Yankee Clipper. Never forget who is watching you play, and why. DiMaggio was often quoted as saying he played as hard as he did every day because he never knew if someone was watching him play for the first time. DiMaggio didn't want to make a bad first impression. Ichiro doesn't want to leave a bad impression, either..."Of course, 200 hits is important," he said. "But I'm not in a position yet where I can come into a game knowing I can get there (that day). "But I do want to play my game and show the people the best I can play. When I first became a professional (in Japan), I always felt that way. But I feel it especially the last two years. "We've had a lot of losses the last two seasons, and still the fans have come out to see us play in Seattle. Lots of them. The way all of us can thank them is to show up and play the best baseball we can and show the fans fun baseball."
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Postby Taro Toporific » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:08 pm

Can 'weird science' save the Sox?The Boston Globe, September 26, 2005... there's good scientific data to show that last year's World Series most valuable player was not Manny Ramirez, but Red Sox Nation and the magic of Fenway Park.....There's a well-developed science of intangibles that involves concepts like distant intentionality, the memory of water, intercessory prayer, and conditioned spaces. Let's look at these phenomena....there's Dr. Wasaru Emoto's studies in Japan. His photographs document that the crystalline structure of water molecules can be changed by the directed positive thoughts of people nearby... Remember that the human body is 65 percent water, and think again about the impact of fans' good wishes and fervent hopes <a href="..more....
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Postby Mulboyne » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:15 am

Taro Toporific wrote:Can 'weird science' save the Sox?The Boston Globe, September 26, 2005....there's Dr. Wasaru Emoto's studies in Japan. His photographs document that the crystalline structure of water molecules can be changed by the directed positive thoughts of people nearby...

Emoto's emotings available on FG Thread: Send Your Love To Water
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Postby IkemenTommy » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:41 pm

Captain Japan wrote:Yomiuri outfielder Rhodes leaves Japan

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Postby Mulboyne » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:54 pm

Possible baseball implications of the TBS/Rakuten struggle:

Japan Times: Rakuten chief rumored to have BayStars buyer
Rakuten Inc. President Hiroshi Mikitani told acquaintances he had a buyer for the Tokyo Broadcasting System Inc. subsidiary Yokohama BayStars before he announced his firm's acquisition of a large stake in TBS, sources said Wednesday. Officials at TBS, which owns a 70 percent stake in the BayStars baseball club, have reacted strongly to the move, saying the broadcaster would not sell the Central League team, the sources said...There had been speculation in the business community that Usen is interested in purchasing the BayStars, but no one was certain what group Mikitani was referring to when he said he had found a buyer...more...

Usen have said they are interested in buying a baseball team. If Rakuten does do something with TBS then they will have to sell either Rakuten's team or the Baystars under current regulations. Murakami of MAC, another TBS shareholder has separately been pressing for a disposal of the Baystars, maintaining that all TBS needs is the broadcasting rights and not the actual team.
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Postby Captain Japan » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:28 pm

Bobby V just needs two more wins...
Marines batter toothless Tigers
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CHIBA -- The Chiba Lotte Marines keep losing bodies, but the Hanshin Tigers keep losing games.

Lotte fielded a lineup that was short three regular starters, but the Marines rallied behind right-hander Shunsuke Watanabe and a persistent offense Sunday at Chiba Marine Stadium, routing the Tigers 10-0 to take a 2-0 lead in the Japan Series.

The air was clear after thick fog brought an early close to Saturday's Game 1, and Lotte again got an early start against Hanshin, but it was three sixth-inning home runs -- back-to-back shots by Saburo Omura and Matt Franco and one by Lee Seung Yeop -- that helped Lotte build an insurmountable lead.

"It was a great win and a great team effort," Marines manager Bobby Valentine said. "Watanabe was fabulous, and the hitters were just as good. It was only one win, but we got it in front of the best fans in the world."...more...
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Postby Mulboyne » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:04 pm

ZAKZAK reports (Japanese) that Bobby Valentine has signed a contract with comedy giant Yoshimoto Kogyo.
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